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Title: Oh no, what did I do?
Post by: vantagetes on October 08, 2011, 10:45:41 AM: This might have been a big mistake. :o

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/vantage_tes/P1000016.jpg)
Title: Re: Oh no, what did I do?
Post by: morerpmfred on October 08, 2011, 01:17:34 PM: It is only a mistake if you do not put it in your jeep. hmmmm 6 litre? and nv4500.
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Post by: tubby on October 08, 2011, 02:01:16 PM: You got a smokin deal on those items Klapper. You don't have to use it anytime soon , but it'll come in handy one day. My garage is full of crap that I've purchased in the hopes of one day using for something .
Title: Re: Oh no, what did I do?
Post by: vantagetes on October 08, 2011, 03:45:14 PM: Quote from: morerpmfred on October 08, 2011, 01:17:34 PM
It is only a mistake if you do not put it in your jeep. hmmmm 6 litre? and nv4500.

Yeah Six Liters of Doom. It's the 315HP version with 370ft/lbs of torque...with emissions and manifolds. I'm going to run w/o emissions and shorty headers so I have to build prepared for 400ish HP. I will probably look into running some sort of programmable tuner to keep the power down for now.

The price was so good I couldn't pass it up; I basically paid what the transmission (brand new) with shipping would be worth. Plus I couldn't think of any reason why not to. Besides you know, kissing my tcase, HP 'turdy and driveshafts goodbye. Now I'm hoping for a mild winter so it won't be -26 in my garage again!

Lots of work to do.
-Radiator, hoses, steam system, electric fans, shroud, wiring
-Engine + tcase mounts
-Atlas/StaK/D300, do I want passenger or driver side drop (ie, what axle am I going with), also changes exhaust routing
-Front axle, steering, track bar
-Air intake system (air box, tubing, possibly run LS1 intake manifold which gains hood clearance and hp but loses low end torque)
-Frame/cage?
-PCM marriage (run Jeep computer in tandem to allow gauge cluster to work, add in tachometer converter)
-Add fuel regulator, larger tank

At this point I'll be looking at tube fenders and some gnarly sized tires with hydro steer.

I think I'm going to stay with a driver side drop, truss the HP D30, stay on 33s for the winter and pray the 231 doesn't blow up.
Title: Re: Oh no, what did I do?
Post by: Raspberry on October 08, 2011, 03:59:13 PM: Quote from: vantagetes on October 08, 2011, 03:45:14 PM
and pray the 231 doesn't blow up.

Take pics for us when it does ;D
Title: Re: Oh no, what did I do?
Post by: The Machinist on October 22, 2011, 09:39:02 AM: Quote from: vantagetes on October 08, 2011, 03:45:14 PM
Now I'm hoping for a mild winter so it won't be -26 in my garage again!

Great score! Farmers almanac says it's going to be the coldest winter in 20 years!
Title: Re: Oh no, what did I do?
Post by: vantagetes on October 22, 2011, 07:29:13 PM: Quote from: The Machinist on October 22, 2011, 09:39:02 AM
Great score! Farmers almanac says it's going to be the coldest winter in 20 years!

I heard that. Luckily I have an ace in the hole; 80,000 square feed of heated shop space

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Post by: Waytec on October 22, 2011, 10:22:32 PM: I am going to guess that you are working for Kidco because that is not the Finning Calgary Shop.
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Post by: Waytec on October 22, 2011, 10:30:51 PM: I will do show and tell as well. here is my crew pulling the 3516 out of a 793D, at the COE Red Deer, that engine is about 3 stories up. we needed to clear the cab to get it on the floor.

(http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn279/waytec/Other/July172011003.jpg)
Title: Re: Oh no, what did I do?
Post by: vantagetes on October 23, 2011, 12:11:22 PM: Quote from: Waytec on October 22, 2011, 10:22:32 PM
I am going to guess that you are working for Kidco because that is not the Finning Calgary Shop.

Good guess, you got it.
Title: Re: Oh no, what did I do?
Post by: vantagetes on October 23, 2011, 11:06:19 PM: Divorced the engine and transmission and put the enine up on a stand. Any idea how much of a PITA it is to try to find M10x1.5x120 bolts to fit through the stand? Especially in grade 8+? Solution: use grinder to trim down tubes on stand, use M10x1.5x80 grade 12 bolts ;D

After the engine was on the stand I pulled off the coil packs and exhaust manifolds/EGR.
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Next step was to pour on the degreaser and wear out a couple SOS pads.
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Looking much better, but still have some work to do.
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Post by: FirstTimer on October 24, 2011, 09:15:07 PM: Looking good dude! Let me know if you need a grease monkey to hand you tools or beers! Would love the experience!
Title: Re: Oh no, what did I do?
Post by: JJonesee on October 24, 2011, 09:40:52 PM: Im trudging through the wiring/plumbing now. you got a heck of a deal..

If you want me to try it out for you I could!
Title: Re: Oh no, what did I do?
Post by: Darkcalling on November 14, 2011, 02:59:54 PM: I second firstimers idea I would be love to come and absorb intel off this project as I have a similar goal and lighter is better more horses are a bonus :)
Title: Re: Oh no, what did I do?
Post by: Elsifer on November 14, 2011, 09:28:20 PM: Quote from: Waytec on October 22, 2011, 10:30:51 PM
I will do show and tell as well. here is my crew pulling the 3516 out of a 793D, at the COE Red Deer, that engine is about 3 stories up. we needed to clear the cab to get it on the floor.

(http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn279/waytec/Other/July172011003.jpg)

Whats a set of them "axel stands" worth? ;D

After building natural gas compressors for a few years, I still love piping to those motors. And then watching the start-up. Damn, those things roar! 8) Me loves its!
Title: Re: Oh no, what did I do?
Post by: Fredduck on November 15, 2011, 07:53:37 AM: Research these engines, they actually run better with the emissions intact.
Lots of data on the internets on LS engine tuning,
EFI Live is a good tuner I just happen to know someone that has one ::)

the 231 should hold up,for awhile, but the axles...?
Good luck keep us posted.
Title: Re: Oh no, what did I do?
Post by: vantagetes on December 11, 2011, 11:43:38 AM: Well took care of the t-case issue. Dana 300 with 32 spline outputs and a 23 spline input to match my NV4500! Brink is running one of these behind his 500ci so I don't think I've got to worry about blowing it up any time soon.

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Title: Re: Oh no, what did I do?
Post by: vantagetes on December 18, 2011, 04:30:56 PM: Well I lunched a u-joint in the front driveshaft somewhere. I think it may be in the double cardan and as I'm planning on replacing the shafts and axles in the (near?) future I have no desire to spend any money on getting this rebuilt.

Solution? Pull the shaft off the 4.0L parts jeep. Looks to be about 2" longer so I adjusted the controls arms and stretched the front axle about 1-1.5". Seems to be ok for now and the squeak is gone, I'll have to disconnect the sway bar and flex the jeep a bit to make sure the driveshaft isn't bottoming out. For now I'm only going to be on pavement for a bit so I'll leave it.
Title: Re: Oh no, what did I do?
Post by: vantagetes on February 04, 2013, 11:22:43 AM: 4.0L in the parts Jeep

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/vantage_tes/IMG_0366.jpg)

Parts Jeep stripped down and ready for mockup

(http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/543844_10151432807865266_2112171652_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Oh no, what did I do?
Post by: Bnine on February 06, 2013, 02:00:54 PM: Looks like fun. Heads up on the 4500, it needs a lot of height. So you have to choose between a ton of body lift, a very low hanging belly, floor cutting, or a combo of all the above.

I went with a flat belly, cut the floor pan out, and used 2.5" of body lift to get this setup.

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l262/xbninex/RedNeckin039.jpg)
Title: Re: Oh no, what did I do?
Post by: LukeDuke on February 06, 2013, 04:01:51 PM: Nice. Can't wait to see it stuffed in that TJ.

I just picked up a 330hp 6.0L my self for the Jeepster. And a large shoe horn of course.
Title: Re: Oh no, what did I do?
Post by: vantagetes on February 06, 2013, 06:34:56 PM: Quote from: Bnine on February 06, 2013, 02:00:54 PM
Looks like fun. Heads up on the 4500, it needs a lot of height. So you have to choose between a ton of body lift, a very low hanging belly, floor cutting, or a combo of all the above.

I went with a flat belly, cut the floor pan out, and used 2.5" of body lift to get this setup.

Thanks for the tip, the body lift might be the best option as I'll need some room for larger tires without going any (or much) higher on the suspension. Luckily I have this white TJ stripped down to the frame/tub to play around with clearances. I might be able to come up with a t-case mount that gets me a little lower.

What are you running for a tcase and what did you do for a mount? I'd be interested in coming to see how you shoehorned your 4500 in if you have time, just name your drink!
Title: Re: Oh no, what did I do?
Post by: Bnine on February 07, 2013, 07:41:58 AM: I dont drink, but the coffee's always on at my place. Pick a warm day and come on out. I run a Klune Atlas combo clocked flat, which also pokes through my floor because of how high I stuff the 4500. The 300 should afford you a bit more room then what I have.

Dont forget the 5th gear retaining nut mod for the 4500. I didnt do it on mine when I rebuilt it and its been a 4 speed ever since...lol
Title: Re: Oh no, what did I do?
Post by: vantagetes on February 07, 2013, 11:40:49 AM: You don't REALLY need to do over 80km/h do you? ;D

I have to go to Deadmonton tomorrow but I'll try giving you a call this weekend, thanks a lot.
Title: Re: Oh no, what did I do?
Post by: Bnine on February 07, 2013, 12:04:51 PM: Sure man, sounds good.

With 538's and 38's you can still do 65mph at around 3200 rpm. Not that bad..lol
Title: Re: Oh no, what did I do?
Post by: johndeeretimex on February 08, 2013, 01:14:30 AM: Quote from: vantagetes on February 04, 2013, 11:22:43 AM
4.0L in the parts Jeep

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/vantage_tes/IMG_0366.jpg)

Parts Jeep stripped down and ready for mockup

(http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/543844_10151432807865266_2112171652_n.jpg)

how long has that thing been sitting in your garage?
Title: Re: Oh no, what did I do?
Post by: vantagetes on June 30, 2013, 02:12:24 PM: Ironically the 6.0L takes up less space then the 4.0L
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/419154_10151668475225266_1990889134_n.jpg)

NV4500
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1005612_10151712419060266_257917062_n.jpg)

Everythings tucked up nicely
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Gonna need to bend the shifter something fierce but it should work
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Title: Re: Oh no, what did I do?
Post by: hps4evr on June 30, 2013, 04:30:04 PM: I think everything will fill fit together fine. A little clearance here and there. So far 1" body lift, TMR transmission cross member tucked a little under frame, and TMR 1" drop skid plate. We will sort out the driveshafts but all angles will be low. North West Fab twin stick cable Shifters and everything will fit good. Lets hope that 8.8 and 30 last the summer ;D
Title: Re: Oh no, what did I do?
Post by: vantagetes on August 26, 2013, 04:44:37 PM: Soooo found a set of axles :o

(http://image.jpmagazine.com/f/26760799%2Bw750%2Bst0/154_0501_01_z%2B2005_dodge_Ram_power_wagon%2Bfront_axle.jpg)
Title: Re: Oh no, what did I do?
Post by: tubby on August 26, 2013, 11:03:21 PM: Newer Dodge Power Ram diffs ?

Nice score
Title: Re: Oh no, what did I do?
Post by: vantagetes on August 29, 2013, 02:03:41 AM: Quote from: tubby on August 26, 2013, 11:03:21 PM
Newer Dodge Power Ram diffs ?

Nice score

Bingo! Excellent price too considering they come with electronic lockers...

Have a few more goodies on the way too ;D
Title: Re: Oh no, what did I do?
Post by: BrokenAxle on September 20, 2013, 01:11:42 AM: Any updates there Jason? ;D
Title: Re: Oh no, what did I do?
Post by: vantagetes on September 20, 2013, 11:38:23 PM: I'll have to get some newer pictures but:

Engine in before everything got hooked up.
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It also runs now ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UBDcC-DXeQ
Title: Re: Oh no, what did I do?
Post by: morerpmfred on September 24, 2013, 06:50:10 PM: Sure looks good and sounds nice.
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Post by: EEP on September 24, 2013, 07:09:54 PM: Sweet!!!
Title: Re: Oh no, what did I do?
Post by: hps4evr on September 24, 2013, 09:22:49 PM: I finally got to take it for a spin... It's a beast! I'm a huge fan of The 4.0L but this is a whole other animal. It's a serious upgrade but well worth it!
Title: Re: Oh no, what did I do?
Post by: vantagetes on June 10, 2014, 03:23:36 PM: 2014 Pemberton 4x4 Rally

A little farmtech modifications
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Launching at the start of the mud drag
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Touchdown!
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Big thanks to Broken Axle for a couple late nights helping get everything ready for racing.
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Post by: BUKI on June 10, 2014, 04:24:49 PM: That's ridiculously awesome.

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Title: Re: Oh no, what did I do?
Post by: cjust on June 10, 2014, 05:09:29 PM: Seen it at the shop a few times. Crazy!!!
Title: Re: Oh no, what did I do?
Post by: Immortal on June 21, 2014, 07:46:04 AM: It has its own bay at BA.... lol
Title: Re: Oh no, what did I do?
Post by: vantagetes on June 29, 2014, 07:53:18 PM: Here's the outside video from the all-terrain course, I'll upload the in cab shortly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xYcJnCYBtc
Title: Re: Oh no, what did I do?
Post by: vantagetes on April 13, 2015, 07:12:40 PM: In cab footage, a bit late but as promised ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOM5mMv6hZU

First time driving the jeep with this setup off the pavement and only got one walkaround of the new course so you can hear more and more throttle used throughout the race.

Ripped the airlock off the rear locker, that's the rocks in the differential noise you hear on the last lap. Also shifted the rad and blew the water pump.
Title: Re: Oh no, what did I do?
Post by: vantagetes on April 13, 2015, 08:21:57 PM: Removed some optional parts for the scrap bin
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Wont be needing any of this either
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Hello 33 splines of goodness. Also electronic lockers and 4.56 gears. Oh and its a high pinion too 8)
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Front end installed with struts, towers, steering (minus the hydro assist)
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Rear end with new Clayton 4 link
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New brakes are HUGE
(https://scontent-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10380751_10153133147390266_2284936110183338124_n.jpg?oh=7049a20c60cbc8661fcf45b603868be8&oe=55B19216)

Strut tower braces front and back
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Hydro assist installed
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All ready for World of Wheels
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Post by: cjust on April 13, 2015, 08:39:23 PM: Very impressed. I've seen a lot of the progress down at the shop. Was great to see it at the world of wheels. By far my favourite jeep there!

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Post by: vantagetes on April 14, 2015, 07:26:16 AM: Thanks, I'm excited to get it done. Race season is coming!