Gun, you are right, i could have worded it nicer. My bad. It just gets tiring to listen to the stabbing that took place 8 years ago. i am guilty of dooming and glooming but have decided that it is not productive to continually bring up old wounds. i guess i decided to shut up and thought a few more of the old guard could do the same.
Now to clarify some things. When we (i was 4x4 hardcore at the time) were asked to provide SRD all our trails in Waiporous so was the bike community. Both 4x4 and bike groups did that. The 2500kms the bike group provided included ZERO quad/truck trails. Of the 2500kms provided they got 14 (i think, maybe 12) kms of those 2500 provided.
Yes, we can use quad trails but we do not. It is akin to saying 4x4's are still allowed on the Trans Alta Rd and 940 as part of the 4x4 system.
Now this i do know. The bike community went into Maclean and signed the entire area. The 4x4 and Quad community has not signed anything. There are quad trails that should be 4x4 trails out there and might have been if the 4x4 community spent as much time making those trails sustainable as the bike group did. THOUSANDS of man hours have been done by the bike community. The payoff? 50 (or so) kms at Fallen Timber on the map and an upcoming 400kms!! more.
Now, what if the 4x4 community had done the same (i am guilty of wanting NOTHING to do with it back then)?
When i did get vocal again, i stated time and time again that we need to be in Maclean making it sustainable, but the 4x4 movement at the time decided to put all their efforts in Waiporous. Good on them, but to this day i cross a bridge that was put in by 4x4 guys in Waiporous and is not open to 4x4's.
We can not undo what we did or did not do back then, but if we take a page from the bike community, we can start showing up and working towards an amicable relationship with the NEW SRD bigwigs and maybe, just maybe, we can salvage something.
i apologize for saying shut up, but the feedback from the meeting last Thursday was the 4x4 'speakers' were not respectful and did not help any 4x4 user in what the future may bring.
A word of advice to anyone that is going to stakeholder meetings, be respectful, ask other stake holders what their concerns are and address them professionally and most importantly without emotion, just facts.
i do not know if anyone i any club is a land use guru but we need one that cam put together positive facts that dispel some ridiculous views that other stakeholders have regarding motorized users. i know the bike community was well prepared and they are optimistic about this new PLAN.
We can be the rednecks they think we all are at the meetings or we can completely surprise them with nothing less than a 'white collar' approach.
Hey Gun, at least you still 4x4, i and many others sold out for 2 wheels or a quad but i know one day i will be back in a jeep and wheeling as much as i now ride.