Calgary Jeep Association
4x4 Related Groups => General Talk => Topic started by: Waytec on September 15, 2008, 07:57:30 PM
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I have a question for the old timers. When the Jeep Cherokees started to appear on the trails lifted and trail ready did they receive the same welcome the 4 door JK’s are getting?
Why is it that everyone hates them? Are you jealous that you can carry more then your transformers lunch box and a tow strap or is it that the hole family is out breeding more jeepers and carrying all the gear you would ever need. I view them as the replacement for the Cherokee and there is lots of them on the trails going place that is leaving the TJs behind crying because they would not make it.
;) ;D :D
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I have wondered that as well...
Maybe it is all the "refinements" that the JKs have?
Inquiring minds want to know.....
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All the ZJ owners did the same thing when the WJ's came out....NAGCA was a real battleground for a while.
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It's just a shame Jeep built them without an adequate engine, from an under powered, gas sucking inline to a under, under powered minivan engine.
Where is the 4.7 V8 or better yet, the Hemi?
I've only driven an 07 twice, (both were 2dr autos') and couldn't believe the lack of power. I swear my old 2003 Rubi on 35's with stock gearing had more power than those JK POS
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I agree with Vinman. I wanted one until I drove one. It made me think I needed to start a family to "appreciate" the powertrain. Less tourque and power, same mileage. ::) If they come out with the 3.0 CRD in the 4 dr JK, I'll be on one right quick.
Much of it comes down to being a Jeep purist, if there is such a thing. When the first lifted Cherokees hit the trails, it was the same thing, "why whould you want to 4X4 that?" many a Jeepster must have thought.... And then the aftermarket manufacturers saw this and replied by pumping out the XJ lift kits. I think overall, many Jeep people are afraid of change. Look at how many "new" Jeeps have leaf springs now, like they all did 20 yrs. ago? If you ask me, a REAL Jeep should come with springs of some sort from the factory to support their solid axles. At least the JK's don't have IFS, like the Compass & Patriot do...they're both stationwagens.
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I struggle with the size of them. When I see an older CJ, I'm reminded of how ridiculously large Jeeps have gotten, including my TJ. There are quad ATVs getting close to the size of early Jeeps. The first time I saw a JK with all four doors removed I thought it was a tourist tram from Universal Studios.
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So they *didn't* use the V6 from the Libby? That motor had a lot of pep... we sure kick ourselves for getting rid of it, even with IFS etc.
We certainly could use the room, having a family and raising a Jeeper ;D It's tough cramming everything into a TJ for a camping trip for 3 and the wife isn't really sold on a trailer... she figures if we're going to have to haul something, it should be a hardside, which BTW, the JK comes rated for a higher towing capacity (mainly due to wheelbase I'm sure).
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Most people are resistant to change. Its pretty natural, and usually blows over.
And for the record, I still pick on XJ's ;) ;)
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Most people are resistant to change. Its pretty natural, and usually blows over.
And for the record, I still pick on XJ's ;) ;)
stop.... I'm a sensitive man. :'(
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Thats why you have an XJ Dom... cause there's room for your purse. ;D :P ;D :P ;D
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I have a question for the old timers. When the Jeep Cherokees started to appear on the trails lifted and trail ready did they receive the same welcome the 4 door JK’s are getting?
Why is it that everyone hates them? Are you jealous that you can carry more then your transformers lunch box and a tow strap or is it that the hole family is out breeding more jeepers and carrying all the gear you would ever need. I view them as the replacement for the Cherokee and there is lots of them on the trails going place that is leaving the TJs behind crying because they would not make it.
;) ;D :D
How far back do you want the old timers to go to answer your question? The YJ's received the same welcome back then when they quit making jeeps for a few years then brought out those goofy looking square headlight things, followed by the station wagon. What I find funny is all the jeep worshipers that came up with all kinds of negative threads, pictures, topics and so on about the Hummers, and now you have Chrysler coming up with the next best thing that looks just like one. Be hard pressed to tell the difference from the back with them standing side by side. You want bush pigs for going on tight trails and rock ledges, or you want something that can slink thru and not even adjust a mirror? ;)
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ha,ha,ha...
my sentiments exactly. The JK looks like an aborted union between an H2 and H3. i do not like either of those and i sure don't like the 4 door JK. YUCK!
Interesting how many Hummer bashers bought 4 door JK's ::)
BUT, IF and i do mean IF i had a family and was allowed to buy a 4 door family vehicle, i would buy the RUBICON 4 door JK. It is the only reason i would even entertain a JK purchase. The 2 door i LIKE!
P.S. The engine sucks too :P
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I think it is funny. So many people hate the 4 door, but Jeep can not build them fast enough. I also don’t see the comparison to the Hummers ( besides the point, what I have been reading Hummer will be up for sale shortly and the same group that purchased Chrysler has shown an interest, so their might be a cross bread one day) I have not test drove one yet, but the big complaint is not enough power, that is a result of all the environmental stuff I guess.
Everyone keeps saying that if their was a CRD option they would go for that, I don’t think there will ever be a diesel here in North America. The emissions are getting so tight that even the truck engine manufactures are not making it with out having to sacrifice fuel mileage. CAT is getting out of it all together for now. The extra cost of the diesel engine will be a $5000 to $10 000 more and the cost of diesel is more then gas. Do to design the new hemi will get better mileage over the diesel, I think I am going to wait a couple of years until the JKs are flooding the used market get one cheep and then shoe horn a hemi into one. Oh ya it will be a 4 door.
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4 dr JK's are just too big and too underpowered. Why Jeep decided to scratch the 4.0L is beyond me. Heck I find even the 2 doors look a bit on the large side... Jeep has quit making any narrow, SWB, trail ready vehicle and replaced it with a minivan. Or an alternative for people who want an H3 but who don't want to be classified as "Hummer" people...
See the similarity:
(http://www.jeepfan.com/images/JKvsHUMM.jpg)
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Ok I now see the similarities, never seen the two side by side.
I still like the JK and I also like the H1 (I am a guy) and the H3.
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u know, those ZJ things look to be a lil' smaller than these JK 4 door things, and last time i checked, they came with some big engines. i think that in 98 i beleive it came with a 5.9L V8 and word on the street is it was the fastest production SUV at the time. i know 98 was a long time ago but u know, those things seem to be roomy, carry a family, and still fit down trails (i've done it) and if u hit a tree, well at least it ain't a 08' leased vehicle........
SO, if u want a removable topped, underpowered brand spankin new SUV, ya i like the 4 door JK. or get a ZJ (man am i biased haha) carries everything, has great power (tell me u have driven a V8 powered ZJ that wasn't pooched that ran poopy) and solid axles.
also, last time i checked, my wheelbase on the ZJ was 107. whats teh JK? 116? the ZJ back in teh day was 'big' haha, not so anymore.........
donno where i'm going with this........ just heard underpowerd jeep and remembered there was a line of jeeps thats not so underpowered..............
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My Cj has a V8, removable top, and carries everything I need, but not all those things people never used to need ;D
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I've got a 2 Door JK. It's got plenty of power for its size. I've always been curious why the 4 Door has more-or-less the same powertrain, just stretched out. It weighs more... Guess a person could always install a supercharger kit to bump it up a bit. There are some companies in the US dropping HEMI crate engines in the JK's. Probably a wee bit on the pricey side though.
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I was talking to a guy at trade school (Mechanics) today and he has a new 4 door JK Rubicon, he was saying that it was under powered but after changing the intake manifold, exhaust manifold, full exhaust and chipping it now it works much better. So we can get more out of it gust have to play with it.
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ive driven the JK on and off road and the drive on the road it felt gutless and if u just let the cluth out it would almost stall i was so un happy and was bashing my friend for buying it then i realized theres atraction control button that u can swtich off .. thats when i was in the bush and to tel lu the truth it comes alive feels just like a TJ
it climbs well and gets over the same obstacles as the TJ's do. stock that is TJ and JK
but yes the 4door looks like a H2 and i hate the H2 and H3 if your going to buy a hummer buy a humvee .but there uselss in the trails to big to heavy .
so the JK in my books arnt to bad but im stil not giving up my TJ RUBICON for a JK
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When I first saw a 4 door JK I did not like them at all.
But after seeing them more and more and seeing allot of pictures of them done up I have to say I really do like them now.
But then again I have a Jeep with Square Headlights so what do I know :)
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I have a question for the old timers. When the Jeep Cherokees started to appear on the trails lifted and trail ready did they receive the same welcome the 4 door JK’s are getting?
Why is it that everyone hates them? Are you jealous that you can carry more then your transformers lunch box and a tow strap or is it that the hole family is out breeding more jeepers and carrying all the gear you would ever need. I view them as the replacement for the Cherokee and there is lots of them on the trails going place that is leaving the TJs behind crying because they would not make it.
;) ;D :D
A-HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
dont people that bring up slag on gays, turn out to be gay? i dunno, thats just what I heard... ::) :P
For all the wierd lookin crap that comes out these days and with all the facist trendy comsetic BS that these automotive companies are doing, Im just glad that the JK hasnt fallen into a death trap that would be the IFS. Surely that would be more than just a sad day for jeepers anywhere, but I know it would wreck alot of ... everything. I am also glad knowing that somewhere out there people are wheeling a Wrangler with a factory equiped deisle. And even more infrequent but just as satisfying, is that there are Jeep JT wrangler trucks with factory equiped rear D60's, front D40's, a diesle engine AND a built in snorkle. It's just a shame that some insider really hates his job and wants to make the Jeepers out there suffer for it. But, with all the technology and off road advances & popularity some one will take his sorry arse position within the company, or automotive engeneering & design and give us the people what they want. The end all beat all is in the future. I cant help but keep my hopes up. But like I said, if the IFS comes to rest under the wrangler, hell will be frozen over, and it will be a long road out that tragedy.
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Found out one reason why the JK can seem powerless on the trail. One of the features for road handling ESP (electronic stability program) can rob power from specific wheels to maintain "traction". Has multiple program components, like specific wheel braking to act like a psuedo locker, traction control, braking to specific wheels to prevent roll-overs, blah blah.
You can disable it when in 4HI or 4LO in two modes of "offness". Pressing the button in 4WD kicks off the ESP unless something extreme is read by the computer, like crazy wheel slippage, or massive sudden braking. It leaves the brake "locker" on.
Holding the button down for 6-8 seconds kicks the stability portion of the program right off. It pulls up hills and through mud WAY harder when it's off as there's no computer big brother trying to even out the power. It only leaves on the ABS system, everything else is turned off.
The system is reset if you go over a certain speed in 4HI (40km/h I think...), swap to 2WD, or turn the vehicle off.
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I goofed around with it a couple times the other weekend. Made hill climbing a LOT better when partially or fully off. Partially off seemed to work better with my smooth tires. Made no difference for me in the mud, but stock street tires where probably more to blame for that one..... when off in the mud it just seemed to let me spin em faster, which of course doesn't help a smooth tire a whole lot.
Seems like other JK-ers with proper wheels tend to fully disable it, especially around mud.
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There's also a RIP's super-charger kit out for JK's.... future upgrade....