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4x4 Related Groups => General Talk => Topic started by: sn4cktime on September 27, 2008, 04:30:21 AM

Title: Unreasonable Upgrading?
Post by: sn4cktime on September 27, 2008, 04:30:21 AM
Does ordering:
-5 new 35s
-5 new 16" wheels
-wheel spacers
-tube fenders
-a new antenna
-axle gussets
-a powertank regulator
-a 2.5" budget suspension lift

AND filling a 20lb CO2 bottle sound unreasonable to you?  It appears to have upset my girlfriend somewhat...  Now maybe you guys won't be pulling me out of EVERY single mudhole we come across.  Just gotta mod the sway bars with disco pins and she'll be ready to flex - not alot, but a whole lot better than now.
Title: Re: Unreasonable Upgrading?
Post by: 01sahara on September 27, 2008, 08:28:44 AM
Does ordering:
-5 new 35s
-5 new 16" wheels
-wheel spacers
-tube fenders
-a new antenna
-axle gussets
-a powertank regulator
-a 2.5" budget suspension lift

AND filling a 20lb CO2 bottle sound unreasonable to you?  It appears to have upset my girlfriend somewhat...  Now maybe you guys won't be pulling me out of EVERY
single mudhole we come across.  Just gotta mod the sway bars with disco pins and she'll be ready to flex - not allot, but a whole lot better than now.

I sent you a PM with some thoughts.  For guys in the club that don't know your jeep  post what your jeep has now,winch,? gears?, diffs?, How many kms you drive it?  How much you want to spend on mods? We will all tell you yes spend $ but some of them may have suggestions of where and what to spend it on to give you a good jeep for what you want to do with it.  Don't worry about the mud to much. I an few months mud won't be the problem the need for tire chains will be.  8)
Title: Re: Unreasonable Upgrading?
Post by: RUBI on September 27, 2008, 08:40:07 AM
If you were to take that same amount of money and spend it on her................I'll bet it would no longer be unreasonable !!!!
She's just jealous of the other Love in your life !!!  ;) Been there, done that............OH, and still doing it !!!

 Far easier to ask Forgiveness than Permission   ::)
Title: Re: Unreasonable Upgrading?
Post by: calltrex on September 27, 2008, 09:02:55 AM
just tell her u dont want to break anything in the middle of no where so u want to prevent this by beefing your jeep up..   8)
Title: Re: Unreasonable Upgrading?
Post by: yjcanibul on September 27, 2008, 10:40:08 AM
I've had a dozen girlfriends since I bought my jeep   ;)
Title: Re: Unreasonable Upgrading?
Post by: Joel on September 27, 2008, 12:16:21 PM
just tell her u don't want to break anything in the middle of no where so u want to prevent this by beefing your jeep up..   8)

Take her out wheeling as much as you can and go with other modded jeeps and keep pointing out why the other jeeps didn't get stuck and you did. :P  She'll eventually feel sorry for you and give in  ;D

However, it does get harder to explain why you need a certain mod when your rig gets fairly built. ::)

regarding your list, why not get a set of beadlocks since your getting new rims and hold off on the tube fenders.   You'll be amazed at the traction.
Title: Re: Unreasonable Upgrading?
Post by: sn4cktime on September 27, 2008, 12:47:23 PM
Plan on either going poison spyder beadlocks in the future if money is no concern, but likely will throw in Stauns.  The toyota that had them at Maclean the other weekend was really impressive.  He rode around with 3 psi all day.
Title: Re: Unreasonable Upgrading?
Post by: TJ54 on September 27, 2008, 01:16:35 PM
naw, just tell her to shut the hell up and get back in the kitchen   ;D
Title: Re: Unreasonable Upgrading?
Post by: cLAY on September 27, 2008, 02:44:30 PM
Depends on what else is going on in your life. School? Saving for a house or wedding?  Then its probably overboard.

For me it took about a year to gather all that together and that was only cause I rolled my last Jeep and wanted to go big with the new one from the start vs going up in stages. But then I have a wife, 2 kids and a mortgage. Having kids defiantly rearranges your priorities, suddenly Jeeping isn't the be all and end all.
Title: Re: Unreasonable Upgrading?
Post by: Tinkerer on September 27, 2008, 05:21:18 PM
Take her out wheeling as much as you can and go with other modded jeeps and keep pointing out why the other jeeps didn't get stuck and you did. :P  She'll eventually feel sorry for you and give in  ;D

Or make it her responsibility to get out in the mud and hook up the winch or tow line 'cuz you need to control the vehicle, then it will be personal!  ;)

Of course the getting broken/stuck in the middle of nowhere thing worked great for my wife...
Title: Re: Unreasonable Upgrading?
Post by: Tinkerer on September 27, 2008, 05:22:22 PM
Having kids defiantly rearranges your priorities, suddenly Jeeping isn't the be all and end all.
You got that right... but now that the kid asks if we're going out pretty much every day, some money is trickling into the mods again.
Title: Re: Unreasonable Upgrading?
Post by: Asia on September 28, 2008, 12:22:26 AM
Why do you want wheel spacers?  Choose your new wheels with the back spacing that you want and you won't need wheel spacers.
Title: Re: Unreasonable Upgrading?
Post by: sn4cktime on September 28, 2008, 04:32:01 AM
Cost is a factor with this much gear, hence the spacers.  I wanted pro-comp but couldn't get the 8069's with 3.75" BS anywhere (slated for another production run in about a month or three  ::), couldn't find available 5 on 5's in pro-comp steelies (4.25" BS), or in most any other cheap wheel with anything less than 5" BS.

The steelies that I've got coming were only $56.00 each, so ridiculously cheap.  5" BS.  They're made by a company called Unique, which is an "un-branded" Cragar Soft-8 wheel as it's the company that produces them.  Even with a $100 Spidertrax spacer set, the wheels are hundreds of dollars cheaper.  Spidertrax spacers aren't a "passthrough" style spacer which can lead to stud breakage.  The spacers have recesses that they lock onto the stock studs with (torqued and loctite), then have their own studs that the wheels mount onto.

That leave me with a 3.5" BS which falls closer to the 3.75" - 4.25" IDEAL BS range for a lifted JK with 12" wide tires.  Extra 1/4" gives me a little more with the 315/75R16's as they're closer to 12.5" wide.  Now it can flex out without severe inner fender rubbing.  And the flat tube fenders will prevent flare rubbing.

Took a weeeee bit of research to come up with a setup to fit this thing....

If I could have afforded it i was looking at the poison custom wheels, but they don't make a 16".  15's won't clear the calipers.  and don't really want to step up the weight with 17's.  2.5" lift plus 35's is also going to add stress to my D30 front end, and adding an extra 45 lb wheel to each side may be too much for them to handle.  OMF was willing to make me 5 wheels for $1700 US,  >:( and never got around to looking up the W-Evans after that.

OTHER solution was to use Spidertrax wheel adapters to change to a more common bolt pattern like 4.5 on 5, but then I'd still be adding a spacer so no point.

That in "short" form was my reasoning.
Title: Re: Unreasonable Upgrading?
Post by: sn4cktime on September 28, 2008, 04:41:16 AM
Oh, also did the gong show math to figure out that with the regulator and a 20lb tank I should be able to fill 35x12.5x16" tires 40.5 times from 0 psi to 30 psi.  It takes double to CO2 to go from 15 to 30 and with no beadlocks I probably won't drop below 18 to avoid losing the bead so should get plenty of fills.  With a high flow regulator a tank can fill one of these tires from 8 to 30 psi in 80-115 seconds depending on temp, so 4 tires should take me under 5 minutes to go from trail to highway.

Also setting up a 4-way hose.  Increases the fill up time a little due to volume expansion but it'll make all the tires exactly the same.  Will have a blowoff for airing down equally as well.  the tires may fill/empty un-evenly when flowing, but close the valve and give it 10-15 seconds and the tires will perfectly equalize.  Thought it was pretty cool when I came across it.
Title: Re: Unreasonable Upgrading?
Post by: yjcanibul on September 28, 2008, 05:48:03 PM
I'm considering one of these,  my arb pumps about 1lb minute   zzzZZZZZZ

http://www.warn.com/truck/aircompressors_spc.shtml (http://www.warn.com/truck/aircompressors_spc.shtml)

Title: Re: Unreasonable Upgrading?
Post by: Bnine on September 29, 2008, 09:55:09 AM
Trail ready has a 16" beadlock. I would check for your pattern. They are really lightweight.

Stauns are OK, but they do have a tendency to wear holes in out area due to the mud that creeps into the beads.

I run my TR's 3-5 psi everywhere I go.
Title: Re: Unreasonable Upgrading?
Post by: Spinalguy on September 29, 2008, 06:37:53 PM
Upset your girlfriend?
Good luck when she becomes your wife if she already is running your life and your money. ;D
Key word...GIRLFRIEND. ;)
Title: Re: Unreasonable Upgrading?
Post by: SwampSinger on September 29, 2008, 06:42:16 PM
Tell her to get her own Jeep !  ;D ;D ;D...



Title: Re: Unreasonable Upgrading?
Post by: sn4cktime on September 30, 2008, 02:36:24 AM
Well, she's "technically" got girlfriend status.  But when you've been dating and living with a girl for 6 years I think she falls into the wife category al-la common-law style.  We'll see how long this current status can be maintained....

She's got a VW golf right now, but every now and again it comes up that she wants to test drive an automatic jeep when she starts looking for a new vehicle.  And it varies time to time but she either seems to want it stock, or crazy-arse modded up (like drive over Joel's modded.... not likely) and pink of all colours  ::) .  So yet again, we'll see how that plays out.

At this point she's stopped asking how much I've spent.  Now it's moved on to "well, your bills are all paid up.  As long as you can buy groceries..."

I can't wait for the tires to get here, and then I'm going to be marking off the days until the fenders or lift gets here so I can fit them.  Either/or works for me.