Calgary Jeep Association
4x4 Related Groups => Tech Talk => Topic started by: Big Dodge on September 15, 2009, 09:53:14 AM
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K i have a 98 TJ, sold engine trany tcase diffs and all that junk. Now have 350 feul injected auto and alum tcase going in. Normal tj up grade.
Have 44 boggers, dana 60 and a 14 bolt.
Had lost interest cause i built the crap out of my toyota and really don't believe that i need any thing bigger then a locked rig on 37 boggers. A bud of mine down sized his rig and i got his tires and diffs. So now i am back thinking of building my jeep.
Idea 1 My plan from the start was drop the coils and install springs front and rear, i am not a big fan of coils. I don't do much rocks or climbing flex don't mean much to me. Springs are cheap and easy to install.
Idea 2 I have the skills and tools to build a 4 link long arm coiled suspension. I was thinking long arm rear, springs front. I like this idea and i don't believe i would bother coiling the front. Just don't need it.
Any other ideas please post.
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why not just start with a YJ? spring over, 4" springs, drop motor/tranny/tcase in it?
sounds like a lot of work to make the TJ work when a YJ is really what you want to end up with (leaf springs right?)
cheap and will be a lot easier than building a rear 4 link........... (if ur gonna gotot eh trouble might as well link the front too)
the 4" springs and the spring over, plus some, umm, liberal fender clearence should be close to clearing those meats
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You're on the wrong board. Mud bogging is not our thing.
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I do not mud bog as you call it. If you read above post you would no i have a toyota on 37s and it is a trail rig and i drive it on the street. I am building this rig cause i have it and have the parts.
Why would i build a YJ when i have a tj, i hate the yj and much perfer the TJ body. Just want a big arse rig.
Back to topic at hand. I am thinking 4 link rear leaf front.
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Why would i build a YJ when i have a tj, i hate the yj and much perfer the TJ body. Just want a big arse rig.
it would take about 4 hours to make a YJ a 'big arse' rig versus a couple months of welding/grinding/tinkering to make leafs work in a TJ...... maybe you should put the TJ body on a YJ frame ;) regardless its your project good luck with it.
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I say go for your 'Idea 2". Do it cause you can! ;D I'd love to see the new engine once you have it in place!
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You Can Dooooooo It!!! i expect it done for the memorial run Jay lol chop chop
Dougie
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What else is a TJ on 44's that cant climb or flex good for other then mud bogging.
You dont care about suspension that works, so why even ask. Rubber block it and jam 5 inches of body lift under the tub for all it matters.
There is absolutely no point in going through the effort to link a rig if its not going to be built to wheel.
This whole thread just annoys me.
Must be tuesday.
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Funny guys like you bug me. What the heck you think everyone was wheeling before coils. You bring out your TJ with coils and follow me any where and i will shake your hand.
NO COILS on this rig and i have put up to 50 K in a day of trail riding. Trails not roads
(http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z292/jay_trouble/Jason4x4127.jpg)
I will use this one for the tate run, just so you can keep up dougie
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Funny guys like you bug me. What the heck you think everyone was wheeling before coils. You bring out your TJ with coils and follow me any where and i will shake your hand.
NO COILS on this rig and i have put up to 50 K in a day of trail riding. Trails not roads
(http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z292/jay_trouble/Jason4x4127.jpg)
I will use this one for the tate run, just so you can keep up dougie
Ummmm...have you seen Bnine's rig? There's a reason that most folks on this board listen to him.
You may not agree with his opinion, but understand that the guy's got a lot of knowledge.
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Idea 1 My plan from the start was drop the coils and install springs front and rear, i am not a big fan of coils. I don't do much rocks or climbing flex don't mean much to me. Springs are cheap and easy to install.
Any other ideas please post.
Going out on a limb here but your intro leads everyone to believe that you do not trail ride but mudbog.
You state you do not do much rocks and climbing flex not needed.
If i were you i would buy a quad, sounds like it would meet your needs.
It is Tuesday :)
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Yup thats what i will do.
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Funny guys like you bug me. What the heck you think everyone was wheeling before coils. You bring out your TJ with coils and follow me any where and i will shake your hand.
NO COILS on this rig and i have put up to 50 K in a day of trail riding. Trails not roads
I will use this one for the tate run, just so you can keep up dougie
Might want to delete this before Bnine posts pics of his. I'd bet my rig he would outlast yours.
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Post away shes on 37 boggers now those are 35s locked front and rear doubler transfer case gives me almost 5 to 1 header weber blah blah blah 8274 front 12000 pound warn rear . Ya she may not be all fancy to look at but she works. I will put her up against any long armed built TJ on 38's.
POST AWAY lets see what ya got that going to kick my rigs arse, BUT DONT POST IT IF YOUR NOT GOING TO GO WHEELING WITH ME ;D ;D.
No point in saying you have this and that if you don't go out and have a wicked day of wheeling and show me what she can do.
Just tired of the web wheelers 8)
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well there may be a good bunch of web wheelers on this forum, but i know for certain Mr.Bnine is not one of them. dude your yota is built, and thats cool and all. but like the others said, if you dont climb, dont wheel in rocks, and apparently dont wheel in mud pits, whats left? gravel roads? simple double track trails? if its just trail running then a tj on 44's is a massive waste of time and money. or, if you are a gluton for punishment, then 4 link the TJ front and rear with the 1tons and run the 44's. you'll hate trail running it within the first trip out. then you'll just wheel yor yota anyways. so sell the parts and go with what ya got:) or just link the TJ and run 44's...
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Wow what a way to jump all over a guy for asking your opinion. He has the parts and wants to build a rig out of them. At least he wants to build the rig himself not buy it off the shelf like alot of folks. Glutten for punishment or not building is half the fun. If it don't work take it apart and start again.
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so are you folks trying to say that a rig with 44" tires on leaf springs all around won't flex and is a piece of shite to wheel on trails and by default is a mud bogger. If so I think you guys are full of shite. Just finished a full size chevy for a friend with a low centre of gravity that will put a front wheel 48" in the air and the other three on the ground, and yes it has 44's. Rear tires actually role inside rear fenders with limited cutting. He drove it to top of world with no traction bars on rear and did not hop once. Guess you got to know what you are doing.
I run 44" on mine so i can crawl everything and not rip trails up. by the way i hate muddddddddddddddddddddddd.
Wheel responsible and drive and build what ever the heck floats your boat, my 2 cents
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No.
i think what we are all commenting on is his stated words in his opening question.
It simply points to mudbogging which is fine. He clarifies that is not what he does, so what is left?
Honestly, any well built leaf rig with 44's will ROCK. (Think Dr. Dave out of Red Deer) and we know that but by his own statements, he doesn't need or desire flex. Yes, that is confusing.
So, what is the purpose of this rig? Maybe if its to do the Stupid Steep Sunday trail or Killer Cutline backwards than i would probablly link it even though Dr. Daves leafsprung CJ on 44's will go anywhere as good or better than linked rigs.
My quad comment was because doing easy cutlines and trails with no flex needed is boring in a 4x4 and better suited for all out quad assault.
Go ahead and re read his first post...
or maybe i am nuts?
And i am a web wheeler now but i can assure you that you will have to do some pretty insane trails to catch up to what i have already accomplished in my old 37 jeep. :)
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ok agreed,
long leaf springs done right are a low budget way to get it done.
the bad is that if you have a bad back you will hate it, if you do 50k a day and don't have a bad back, you soon will so invest in suspension seats lol.
jeeps can get away with it a bit better do to low chassis weight.
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This site is great, i love this site you guys make posting on here wicked. ;D ;D ;D I like mud i like trail riding i like it all. Just not the fan of coils like every one else is. Thats all no more no less. But i am going to 4 link and king coil rear. Just looking at ordering coils now and my jionts. Front is going leafs.
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I ve seen a few rigs set up that way and they flex just as well as any coil rig. Build your rig up and run it in highriders and TTC!
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It has nothing to do with with "whats better then what". Leafs can be made to work and links and coils can be made to work better.
It can go either way. Badly done coils wont work very well compared to well done leafs.
The whole point to my post is that the OP claims to not want flex, and is not worrying about climbing.
Anyone that knows suspension, knows that the main reason to link a rear suspension versus leafing it is to improve climbing stability. Either setup can be made to ride and flex just as well as the other.
The only difference is, with coils and links you can address all performance aspects with 1 setup done right. Speed, flex, stability, and ride quality. Leafs you have to pic a path, and some compromises have to be made.
So when a user comes here and says they dont care about flex and dont want to climb, but is thinking about linking the rear of a TJ its a bit of an oxymoron.
You come to a jeep board that is mainly populated by technical wheelers and ask advice on how to build a rig that has no intention of being technically wheeled.
Pointless
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This site is great, i love this site you guys make posting on here wicked. ;D ;D ;D I like mud i like trail riding i like it all. Just not the fan of coils like every one else is. Thats all no more no less. But i am going to 4 link and king coil rear. Just looking at ordering coils now and my jionts. Front is going leafs.
Good mix, ran that way and loved it for climbing. I recommed shackle reversal for climbing over obsticles and maintaining forward motion. Tends not to snap leafs as bad or roll the shackles over when hitting obsticles with big tires. Keep the two inner 60 bolts tight on the leafs or they will rip or snap right out of the housing.
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Well wheres all tecnical wheeling to. My zoda in pic has been down just about every trail around. I have done killer cut line crash hill marble mount all on leafs. With out any real problems. I have climb one or 2 hills.
I wheel rocky area, show me a hill that my zoda will strugle with that a tj will walk up.
Its just not going to happen. LIKE I SAID lets go wheeling and show me your rig, i wheel just about every weekend. Heading out saturday.
This saturday 19.
OH and wheres all these guy doing all this tecnical stuff. I am in let me no when your going and where it is. STOCKER RUNS to maclean don't count hahahahahaahahah LOL
Good thing i just asked a simple ? Good thing no one asked what i planned on doing with my rig and that everyone just figured i was into mud boggin with out asking. Good thing that just cause i only climb maybe one what i will call scary hill a year with my rigs it is not built for trail ridding. Good thing i have only seen maybe one rock on the trails i ride this year worth climbing. And i have wheeled a alot this year. HAHAhaHAHAHHAAH
Sorry thats all just to make all the smart people feel smarter.
Anyway rigs going on coils rear leafs front.
I guess theres no stoping the peanut factory keep on posting i am injoying and i am sure everyone else is.
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Good thing i just asked a simple ? Good thing no one asked what i planned on doing with my rig and that everyone just figured i was into mud boggin with out asking.
Why would anyone ask. You stated what you do and dont do with your rigs in your first post. In case youve forgotten already. See below.
By your own statement, you claimed not to be interested in technical wheeling. Since we dont have any desert here, the only things left are mud, and the mall. Doesnt take an idiot to do that math.
It does take an idiot to ask you what your plans are with the rig after you stated them in your first post. :-[ ??? ???
I don't do much rocks or climbing flex don't mean much to me. Springs are cheap and easy to install.
Sorry thats all just to make all the smart people feel smarter.
Not sure what that is supposed to mean, but if you are trying to apologize for how dumb people are becoming after reading your half legible babblings, at least its an effort I guess.
Again, why are you going to put coils in the back if you have no interest in climbing? Do you know how to build a proper 4 link?
Do you tubing size and thickness requirements in relationship to length and rig weight?
Do you know how to set up your frame and axle seperations to obtain the proper instant center and antisqaut measurements?
Are you prepaired to spend the money to build the links right, with components that will last?
Do you know what those components are? Are you going to triangulate, dual triangulate, or 5 link it?
What spring rates are you going to run?
Are you going to swaybar the rear to try and stabilize and equal it out with the front leafs?
What are you going to do with fuel delivery when you stretch?
How are you going to get to 112" wheelbase with leafs in the front?
Are you going to stretch the frame?
What are you going to do with steering with so much stretch? Astro van assist? Full hydro? Box rotation?
All these issues need to be addressed. You coming and starting with such a broad questions shows you havnt the slightest clue where to start, and have no understanding of what you could be in for.
What you are proposing is a lot of work to do right, and have work properly. Even on a budget, it is very expensive to do right.
Considering you already said that you dont really care about flex and climbing, that would make this big project a complete waste of time.
Much like this thread.
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Above post proves my point even more.
Like i said ask a simple ? and you get all of this. ;D
Dude no hard feelings and you should relax and try not to get or take things so personell.
Oh and this will be number 5 on the coil builds but my first with king coils.
OH and its funny how i keep asking to see these rigs on the trail and everyone seems to avoid that part of the post.
This is a 4x4 site and a club correct. Where the wheeling .......................GOING OUT WEST THIS WEEKEND any one
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I am going wheelin' out west, too!! Maybe we can all hook up and have a bon-fire!!!
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The reason you won't see any pics of other people's rigs on the trail here is that we don't post pics of our rigs on the trail in the public area of the forum.
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Above post proves my point even more.
Like i said ask a simple ? and you get all of this. ;D
Dude no hard feelings and you should relax and try not to get or take things so personell.
Oh and this will be number 5 on the coil builds but my first with king coils.
OH and its funny how i keep asking to see these rigs on the trail and everyone seems to avoid that part of the post.
This is a 4x4 site and a club correct. Where the wheeling .......................GOING OUT WEST THIS WEEKEND any one
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i think i'll pass with wheeling with you...... ever. your toting quite a 'tude there towards wheeling that i neither appreciate nor want to be around on a trail. thats the attitude that led me away from 'boggers' and big trucks to more nimble, jeeps and this club in general. anyday i will wheel with these guys/gals because they are respectful, care about the sport and will do everything they can to help a fellow wheeler out on the trail. i would do the same for them. you on theother hand....... like i said, i'll pass thanks.
PS i wonder what kind of feedback you would get if this was posted on Pirate4x4 lol
and again, good luck with your build
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i think i'll pass with wheeling with you...... ever. your toting quite a 'tude there towards wheeling that i neither appreciate nor want to be around on a trail. thats the attitude that led me away from 'boggers' and big trucks to more nimble, jeeps and this club in general. anyday i will wheel with these guys/gals because they are respectful, care about the sport and will do everything they can to help a fellow wheeler out on the trail. i would do the same for them. you on theother hand....... like i said, i'll pass thanks.
PS i wonder what kind of feedback you would get if this was posted on Pirate4x4 lol
and again, good luck with your build
OMG this is priceless you don't no me from a hole in the wall. What do you do for the wheeling community and then we will compare. I have helped a donzen guys put there rigs togeather. When i sell parts i try and sell them as cheap as i can so other guys can get there rigs built. Dude i think you should be ashamed to even post what you posted above. I have been trashed for the last 10 post for asking a simple ?.
MAN i have never meet a more disrespectful bunch. I will say this one more time but it will not change a thing. My self and a bunch of good guys all on 33" and 35" tires are going wheeling this weekend. Oh and a few guys who are members on here are going. Anyone who wants to oh i don't no stop web wheeling and go wheeling let me know. Already been a few from here pm me.
And the burning my rig if thats what your getting at come on out and meet me in person. YA may change your mine , pretty sure of it. Or keep posting this dribble and hide behind your computer, we are all use to it. WEB WHEELING ROCKS.
I BET THERE WILL BE AT LEAST 5 or more useless post to what i just posted . Good thing this is a respectful family site. I must say i am injoying the read at this point.
I can keep coming up with stuff, it is now just to see what is going to be said by others.
OH and this was a post asking a simple ? should i run leafs or coils ....................................................................i have no idea how it got here. ;D ;D ;D :P :-X :'( :'(
AND I AM AN ASSH@LE but at least i no it.
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OH and this was a post asking a simple ? should i run leafs or coils ....................................................................i have no idea how it got here. ;D ;D ;D :P :-X :'( :'(
There is nothing simple about putting a TJ on 44's. If you are still under the impression that your question is a "simple one" then again, you have no idea what you are in for. Either that, or you are going to redneck butcher the thing, and again, this is not the place for that.
What brought the thread here was how you spoke when posting. Your statements of what to put a jeep on 44's with no regard to climbing performance or articulation leads people to beleive you are a mud bogger.
Again, not the type of topic, or user for this board.
If you want help stretching, linking, and putting a TJ on 1 tons for the right reasons, I would gladly help you with advice. As would others.
On the other hand, if you simple came here thinking guys would stroke your ego, and validate your thoughts at the first mention of 44 inch tires, you are in the wrong place.
If you come here sounding off with attitude, and acting like a redneck knucklehead, then no, there's no help for you here.
We dont post trail pics on the site. We do have links.
http://s98.photobucket.com/albums/l262/xbninex/IG%20Run%20Aug%2008/
http://s98.photobucket.com/albums/l262/xbninex/?start=0
Enough with your insults and web wheeling comments already. Most everyone here wheels. Some of us, myself included wheel technical stuff that is far above the ability of your basic rig. You do not see me putting your rig down, and insulting you by pointing out its weaknesses or limited capabilities.
I really dont think you want to go there, and honestly, it shouldnt be like that anyways. Different people and their rigs are just on different levels. Doesnt make anyone any better then anyone else., just different.
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Dude i really don't need your advice on how to building a coil system. I think i have here under control. I have tired of this so post away and maybe later i will post a truck load of dribble and get everyone going again.
WOW have you seen the hits on this post thats insain.
EGO STROKING I LIKE THAT BUT OF COURSE THATS NOT WHAT YOUR DOING LOOKING TO GET YOUR EGO STROKED
REDNECK YUP I AM IF THATS MAKES ME NOT LIKE SOME OF THE PEOPLE POSTING IN HERE
Come on i no the peanut gallery has more to say.
I poped popcorn about 10 post ago
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Fair enough.
Then I suggest you take your red neck ideas, and redneck junk, and ask for advice somewhere else.
Once again, since you already know everything (which I highly doubt considering you were unable to answer a single technical question I asked you), this thread was nothing more then a poor attemp at validation.
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I only have two things to add here.
1) Try pirate4x4, you will get good advice on this there.
2) My grammar police uniform seems to be missing, has anyone seen it?