Calgary Jeep Association
4x4 Related Groups => General Talk => Topic started by: Spinalguy on November 22, 2009, 06:32:00 PM
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i am proud to announce that i am an owner of a JEEP.
i won the auction in the last 10 seconds.
It is a 1977 CJ5 out of Washington State.
No rust.
It has a 1971 4bolt main Chevy 350 with a T18 tranny 4 speed.
Dana 44 with ARB locker
Dana 30 with ARB locker and manual hubs.
Warn 8274 winch
lots of Tuffy boxes.
Full soft top
Only 130,000KMS with only 100,000kms on the motor
Previous owner had it for 18 years. A 61 yr old retired cop.
He has no wheelin pics as it was used for backcountry roads in Utah and Arizona. i believe him. i have had many emails and phone conversations to feel 'good' about his descriptions.
Always garage kept.
New 32x10.50 Maxxis Bighorns.
LOTS more...
i will probably fly down there and drive it back or go pick it up using the tow bar that comes with it.
pics to follow.
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Sweet tom, will be good to see yea in another jeep!
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(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/Spinalguy/CJ5/Bb9c5CwmkKGrHqUH-CEEq-ymQuBKyYKNkjg.jpg)
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wow that looks like it's in mint shape. welcome back to the jeep family.
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VERY nice Tom! Too bad you'll miss the Toy Run.
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That's a sweet lookin CJ... congrats!
Flat towing through the mountains in the winter may be a little scary though... have ya looked into having it brought up on a transport truck?
PM me if ya have any questions on the importation process... I have done 5 to date (4 newer than 15yrs and 1 older than 15yrs). Process is very easy if ya know what your doing.
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Thanks everyone.
Oh yeah, it has 4 wheel disc brakes!
Clay, i will know more about Toy run when i finalize plans to get it. i should know by Tuesday.
Kevin,
Thanks for any help. Do you have connections to Transport?
Dom, do you?
Would flat towing be tough? i have a Dodge ext cab Longbox...
i might just drive it. It would be an adventure!
Tom
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that's a beauty.
i would fly and drive it. it's a nice drive if you go slow enough to enjoy it.
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Sweet ride, Tom! If I had the time, I'd drive it. But Muffintop (Kevin) knows the shipping and you probably can't do it yourself for the same price as shipping it here based on what he has told me.
Can't wait to see ya on the trail!
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Nice looking rig!
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Well...
i want to drive it. :D
i just booked a flight to Washington. It was $400 CDN one way.
Its about 600 miles back.
i arrive there next Sat a.m.
i can be on the road by noon.
drive to Cranbrook and sleep.
Calgary by Sunday.
woo hoo i am excited :P
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Man, that is a beautiful unit. Good work.
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i am proud to announce that i am an owner of a JEEP.
It is a 1977 CJ5 out of Washington State.
No rust.
It has a 1971 4bolt main Chevy 350 with a T18 tranny 4 speed.
Dana 44 with ARB locker
Dana 30 with ARB locker and manual hubs.
Warn 8274 winch
He has no wheelin pics as it was used for backcountry roads in Utah and Arizona. i believe him. i have had many emails and phone conversations to feel 'good' about his descriptions.
And so you should be proud. You're now the owner of a very classy jeep. :) Nice find.
He sure has some good money into a rig never wheeled before. I'll have to remember that one line if I go to sell mine. Never been off road. Just used it for the backcountry roads of Alberta. ;D
Seriously though, very fine rig, and I'm sure you'll love it once you get use to it. The old rigs come with their own personallity that only the original owner can appreciate. 8)
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that is a very sweet ride! congrats tom!
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And so you should be proud. You're now the owner of a very classy jeep. :) Nice find.
He sure has some good money into a rig never wheeled before. I'll have to remember that one line if I go to sell mine. Never been off road. Just used it for the backcountry roads of Alberta. ;D
Seriously though, very fine rig, and I'm sure you'll love it once you get use to it. The old rigs come with their own personallity that only the original owner can appreciate. 8)
Thanks Gun.
It could be a 'line' but i tried every angle to get him to send me wheelin pics. He was embarrassed that he has none. His wife and him pull a tent trailer and travel. It also has spent 1/3 of those miles on engine being pulled behind a truck.
Retired couple. Former law enforcement.
Super nice guy.
it is weird to say, but i trust that this jeep has been babied.
Woo hoo!
But you can use that 'line' too if you ever part with your CJ. lol.
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Wow sweet CJ5 man!
That's some extremely good condition, baby that thing! :P
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Can someone please explain the process of imorting to me. I thought you couldn't import a modified vehicle to Canada?
Beautiful Jeep Tom. Remember, she's like a woman...treat her good, and she'll be good to you. I didn't see it...do you mind if I ask what you paid?
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Very nice Jeep you've got there. Comin to cranbrook eh...beware, it smells funny there! I try and stay in kimberley lol
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My experience with shipping, up until this last one, has been pretty painless. I simply call AA Auto Movers (877-744-7489 or 973-263-3750)
out of the US. They give me a price, I pay a deposit and they assign a carrier. You pay the driver the balance when the vehicle is delivered.
This last one was different for 4 reasons...
1) The Jeep was in a bit of an out of the way place to start with
2) There was only a 5 day window for them to pick up the Jeep in Colorado as the dude was moving to Illinois
3) Due to the slow down in the economy... there are less cars coming from the US into Canada so there are less carriers coming this way
4) It is a big hulk of a rig on 43's (84" tall and 88" wide)
It all added up to me having to drive down and pick it up in Butte as that is as far North as I could get the rig under those circumstances.
Under normal circumstances... delivery to Sweet Grass, MT is the way I have done it and if memory serves... all seem to have been about $0.80/loaded mile... which is impossible to beat if you pick up yourself.
As far as importation slips, trips & falls... your CJ being more than 15 years old is exempt from the federal RIV program so things get alot easier:
1) Make sure you get the right paperwork (import worksheet, bill of sale, front and back of signed over title showing no liens, fax cover sheet w/ your cell #) to the US border you plan to cross at... 3 days before crossing
2) Make sure you have copy of bank transactions, Ebay add, etc. If you don't... Canada Customs will be more than happy to tie you up for hours and re-assess the value of your purchase in order to get some extra GST dollars out of you
3) Make sure you have an intransit sticker and insurance as you are driving, not trailering accross the border
That's the border stuff... after that... out of province inspection and your off to get a plate. Much... much easier when things are older than 15 years.
Flat towing? In the summer ubet. In the winter thru mountains... I personally wouldn't do it. I towed mine back from Butte (thru mountains) after it rained/snowed and it was "interesting enough in spots" with a long box 4x4 dodge diesel and a good quality 28" goosneck trailer w/ trailer brakes of course.
Best of luck and have your ducks in a row (documents, yes sirs, no sirs) when ya get to the border ;)
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Can someone please explain the process of imorting to me. I thought you couldn't import a modified vehicle to Canada?
Beautiful Jeep Tom. Remember, she's like a woman...treat her good, and she'll be good to you. I didn't see it...do you mind if I ask what you paid?
15 years or older, mods allowed within reason. As long as the jeep still looks like a jeep. i had lengthy conversations with Customs and Transport Canada.
i would hesitate on bringing in a BIG jeep. Engine, tranny,etc can be anything. suspension ok. If it is a fiberglass tub...Not ok.
i will let you know the final amount when it is here...maybe :)
Kevin, i am so prepared paper wise. i too have been through the process before. But your info is excellent for anyone that has not done it. :)Thanks.
.80/mile is smokin good!!!
653miles to border x.80=522.40 to the border.
But driving it will be so much more of an adventure. Thanks Kevin!
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i would hesitate on bringing in a BIG jeep. Engine, tranny,etc can be anything. suspension ok. If it is a fiberglass tub...Not ok.
A big lifted Jeep is an "unknown risk" for sure unless ya just plan to offroad it and NEVER attempt to register it to be street driven.
Having said that... I have been through the process enough to question "how risky" a lifted Jeep would be... because:
1) CDN Border... as long as you own the vehicle and there are no liens on it... they cant stop you from bringing a vehicle into Canada. The federal & provincial process thereafter can stop you from registering it though
2) Federal... RIV is just concerned with day time running lights, bumpers, seat belts, child restraints & airbag stickers on sunvisors. The guy who does the RIV inspections here in Calgary seems like a decent guy (not overzealous)... but I have never brought him a lifted Jeep either. A quick conversation with him before hand would yield a tonne of useful info.
3) Provincial... Out of province inspection... I think we all know a decent mechanic that would get us by this one
So... I question how hard it would be to get a lifted Jeep into and registered in Alberta. I think the "lifted vehicle myth" if ya dare call it that... started with the CDN border guards quizzing people on the "value" of lifted vehicles which is motivated by collecting GST... not at all realted to safety of a lifted vehicle.
Anyway... enough of my Hijack... back to your sweet new CJ ;)
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Congrats Tom!
The trip to Calgary will definately be an adventure at this time. I drove a tired M38-A1 with a tattered soft-top from Oregon, with no heater. It snowed/rained on the Crowsnest/number 3 highway , and my Gf had to operate the hand crank windshield wiper for a while. No power steering or brakes,cramped cabin , and stiff suspension. The GF was swearing at me for a few hours , and was punching me on the arm for bringing her to co-drive. It was a looong drive with a top speed of 90km/hr. Thank God for the overdrive on the t-case. 5.38's and small military tires was a PITA.
It was worth the trip!
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A big lifted Jeep is an "unknown risk" for sure unless ya just plan to offroad it and NEVER attempt to register it to be street driven.
Having said that... I have been through the process enough to question "how risky" a lifted Jeep would be... because:
1) CDN Border... as long as you own the vehicle and there are no liens on it... they cant stop you from bringing a vehicle into Canada. The federal & provincial process thereafter can stop you from registering it though
2) Federal... RIV is just concerned with day time running lights, bumpers, seat belts, child restraints & airbag stickers on sunvisors. The guy who does the RIV inspections here in Calgary seems like a decent guy (not overzealous)... but I have never brought him a lifted Jeep either. A quick conversation with him before hand would yield a tonne of useful info.
3) Provincial... Out of province inspection... I think we all know a decent mechanic that would get us by this one
So... I question how hard it would be to get a lifted Jeep into and registered in Alberta. I think the "lifted vehicle myth" if ya dare call it that... started with the CDN border guards quizzing people on the "value" of lifted vehicles which is motivated by collecting GST... not at all realted to safety of a lifted vehicle.
Anyway... enough of my Hijack... back to your sweet new CJ ;)
Its good info.
i have to add this.
If you are bringing anything back that fits inside the RIV program (15 years or newer) than NO modifications are allowed. You can stuff big tires and rims but that is it. Unless, you are bringing it in as a Closed Competition vehicle which will never be street legal as Kevin suggested. Otherwise...
If you bring back a `bombed`diesel that has the gauges...nope.
If you bring back anything that is not OEM...nope (except tires).
A lifted bad arse jeep...Nope
This is to the discretion of the Border guy. If it isn't noticed, no problem.
If it is noticed, prepare to have it impounded.
i can relate stories of patients that found out the hard way.
Now, if 15+ years older, than exempt from RIV. This jeep looks like a jeep and is not big. tranny, engine, suspension, tires, etc can be altered and legal. The bottom line is the VIN matches the body and frame of the jeep you claim it to be. (again, you may get away with anything but these are the rules)
No daytime lights needed, no shoulder belts, no miles per hour changed needed, no baby seat anchors. These changes only apply to the RIV program.
Tk
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Congrats Tom!
The trip to Calgary will definately be an adventure at this time. I drove a tired M38-A1 with a tattered soft-top from Oregan, with no heater. It snowed/rained on the Crowsnest/number 3 highway , and my Gf had to operate the hand crank windshield wiper for a while. No power steering or brakes,cramped cabin , and stiff suspension. The GF was swearing at me for a few hours , and was punching me on the arm for bringing her to co-drive. It was a looong drive with a top speed of 90km/hr. Thank God for the overdrive on the t-case. 5.38's and small military tires was a PITA.
It was worth the trip!
LOL...i asked my wife if she wanted to come for the adventure...not a chance!
i hope my drive is a tad more comfortable and warm. He did put in a new heater core...
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This is to the discretion of the Border guy. If it isn't noticed, no problem. If it is noticed, prepare to have it impounded.
Interesting... I was always under the impression that they couldn't stop you from bringing it in... they could just stop you from registering it via either the federal or provincial inspections as conducted by licensed mechanics.
If the border guys are more than just tax collectors... do you know if they have received any training to help them accurately differentiate factory from aftermarket parts & accessories?
I'm not calling BS... just seems like a fairly uncertain check and balance being performed by unlikely, untrained & uncertified individuals (border agents).
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Hmmmm, this might hamper my plans to roll back with 33's and beadlocks next summer.
Very nice Jeep Tom, hopefully you come wheel it soon. :)
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Interesting... I was always under the impression that they couldn't stop you from bringing it in... they could just stop you from registering it via either the federal or provincial inspections as conducted by licensed mechanics.
If the border guys are more than just tax collectors... do you know if they have received any training to help them accurately differentiate factory from aftermarket parts & accessories?
I'm not calling BS... just seems like a fairly uncertain check and balance being performed by unlikely, untrained & uncertified individuals (border agents).
Kevin, it falls under Transport Canada.
If you go to www.riv.ca you will see what is allowed and not allowed if 15 years or newer.
It is not up to the border to stop you from entering with no plates but it is their responsibility to stop you from bringing an ILLEGAL vehicle in as set out by Transport Canada.
You may be forced to remove all suspension parts and limp it across the border on 4 shocks. Than you can re assemble it on the Canadian side.
Again, you may sneak it through but it is the responsibility of the border to not allow any illegal vehicle into the country. And i have no idea if they have any training. But some things are obvious...Big tire=aftermarket lift, etc.
My 97 Dodge Ram from Florida went into the 'garage' for 1 hour of CSI work. i had 35" tires but zero lift. They were probably checking for drugs?
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Hmmmm, this might hamper my plans to roll back with 33's and beadlocks next summer.
Very nice Jeep Tom, hopefully you come wheel it soon. :)
You will be fine as you already own the jeep. You can do whatever you want as long as it remains street legal and plated.
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i just want to thank bnine :)
He has coached me on several 'possibles' i was looking at over the months.
Thanks Billy.
But, this one i forgot to send him...oops :-[
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Hmmmm, this might hamper my plans to roll back with 33's and beadlocks next summer.
Very nice Jeep Tom, hopefully you come wheel it soon. :)
No problems there Fras. Just declare the value of what you purchased, pay the GST, and call it good.
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Sweet Jeep Tom!
I think I still have a set of soft bush doors from my old CJ5, they're yours if you want em.
Quote "They were probably checking for drugs?"
Gee, I hope they didn't find em! :P
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Sweet Jeep Tom!
I think I still have a set of soft bush doors from my old CJ5, they're yours if you want em.
Quote "They were probably checking for drugs?"
Gee, I hope they didn't find em! :P
Thanks Mark!
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dont look now tom, but, aaahh, your white letters are facing out ;) very nice looking 5 mang
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dont look now tom, but, aaahh, your white letters are facing out ;) very nice looking 5 mang
ha,ha,ha and that will be one of the first 'mods'.
Black out baby :D
Thanks Rob.
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good job tom,..that is spearmint fresh minty
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It is not up to the border to stop you from entering with no plates but it is their responsibility to stop you from bringing an ILLEGAL vehicle in as set out by Transport Canada.
Your probably right. After bringing 5 across... the border guys simply seemed like tax collectors to me... I had no idea they could actually impound vehicles they "think" are modified (i.e. Jeep on 33's). I agree the lots of lift and big arse tires are pretty obvious for anyone to pick out. Good thing I only brought across stockers or older than 15 years :o
I actually had a CDN border guy ask me about plates and an in transit sticker one time. They probably have all sorts of authority that we don't know about and its up to them what they decide to chase down on any given day.
Anyway... good luck picking up the Jeep... she's a beauty :)
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Again, thank you for the warm wishes everyone.
keep me in your 'good' thoughts this Sat/Sun.
Jeep gods be with me.
The border is a crap shoot. That is all ;D