Calgary Jeep Association
4x4 Related Groups => Tech Talk => Topic started by: Knox on October 25, 2010, 09:32:17 PM
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(i went away for a week) but my jeeps been on Jack-stands now for 2 weeks :(
Everything is disconnected from the tranny (including the transfer case, I took that off in boredom so its considerably less awkward and heavy now... but I still can't get the tranny free...
I can feel the whole way around the tranny, It slid out just over an inch fairly easily then it stopped. and refuses to slide out any further. I can rotate it (loosened the straps on the jack and lifted and wiggled, but still didn't slide any more.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/KnoxSteve/bf5ef2e1.jpg)
here you can kinda of see how it slid out an inch then stopped.
The latest attempt tonight involved 2 1800lb breaking strength ratchet straps hooked to the rear of the tranny and the rear diff and ratcheted as tight as I could get them, then I wiggled it side to side and up and down a bit more still no budge.
Now I'm typing this because I found 2 ball bearings on the floor of the garage under the jeep... is it possible the release bearing blew up and is somehow holding the mess together now?
anyone have any ideas? cause I'm starting the get frustrated and sad, I'm going to get a cookie, cookies make the world a better place
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Is it a pirate cookie?
Stupid question, by "everything" do you mean the stuff up top too -ie- shifter???
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i wish I haven't had one of those for a few months
was a chocolate chip, however the cookie didn't help get the transmission unattached like I had hoped.
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yea, how bout the shifter?
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removed, as is the tcase linkage
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Dumb question, but is the bellhousing hitting the tunnel in the engine bay?
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Inverted torx removed at top of bellhousing?
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drop the engine/tranny an inch and yank. it looks like you just set the jack up under it before you unhooked anything..... and use a bottlejack so you can adjust the engine/tilt it to pull that engine out easy.
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Maybe way too obvious to mention, but what about vent hoses - the t-case fitting faces the back and if the hose is attached to the body you'd have to practically tear the hose if its still attached. Also pretty obvious but maybe a heavy ground bolted someowhere other than a bell housing bolt (eng to tran) ?
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I've ran my hands all over the tranny trying to find anything that could still be attached, I will check again for a ground wire, and yeah I removed the hose that was attached.
And Johnny I'll try dropping it a bit more, I just wasn't sure how much I could safely drop it, I didn't want to bend/break the engine mount brackets.
The other thing I was going to try was pushing it back in and starting fresh, hopefully its not bound up on something in there...
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just make sure your fan doesn't hit the radiator. you can drop it that far ;)
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I've ran my hands all over the tranny trying to find anything that could still be attached...
really? no one called me out on that? you guys are getting slow, for shame...
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I've ran my hands all over the tranny trying to find anything that could still be attached
You are just not patient enough. So, did you find anything?... I don't want to know....
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Just start the engine and put it it gear, that should free it up...
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that wasn't a breather tube you were yanking on
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I posted this on jeep forum we'll see what kind of feedback I get, since it was my first post it took a while to get "approved"
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f9/pulling-transmission-issues-1121166/
I plan in wiggling it more tonight based on Johnnys feedback, tweaking the height and angles of both the engine and the transmission. but yeah this thing is kicking my arse.
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I had a similar problem when pulling the trans on the YJ. After pulling and prying I finally let the pressure off then put the trans in 5th and rotated the output back and forth. Turns out that the input shaft on the trans had groves worn in it from the spines of the clutch. Just had to hold your tongue just right :P and it slipped apart easy. When i was done i just cleaned up the splines on the trans shaft and slipped it back in for another 280K of service.
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(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/KnoxSteve/13289a7d.jpg)
This is the bearing that was stuck on the input shaft of the transmission to get at it I had to remove the clutch plate bolts with the transmission still attached
So my question is do I need to remove this bearing too?
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/KnoxSteve/2a06d65e.jpg)
I have 2 bearings in a bag and can't figure out if I need them both
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/KnoxSteve/262fcf40.jpg)
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(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/KnoxSteve/e42a1fff.jpg)
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looks like you pulled the pilot bearing apart. interesting. that would explain why you couldn't get theinput shaft outa the clutch assembly i imagine.
pop the outer race of the pilo bearing out of the crank (its still in there) and use the big bearing in the kit.
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i have a bearing puller if you need to use it to remove the rest of that bearin
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I'm ok on the puller, I was watching youtube with the wife cause I mentioned the grease trick that I didn't really want to do and we saw a wet paper method. Same idea, except you pack shredded wet paper behind it and hammer a socked or whatever into the gap, it worked quite well, it even cleaned the old grease out of the crevices for me :P
edit: here is the video we watched, it did actually work that easily, the only difference for me was I needed 3 and a bit pieces of soaked paper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xuR7T8G1Ys
In process of putting it all back together should be finishing up tonight.
Oh and for what it's worth,all the trouble the transmission gave me when I was pulling it, it slid back in first second push, 2 minute operation. haha, my modified floor jack worked quite well.
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Wow that is an amazing video. Never seen that befor.
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That shredded paper trick is friggin' genius.
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don't get me wrong, I definitely had my doubts, I mean how efficient of a hydraulic material could wet paper be... but it really worked quite well
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I mean how efficient of a hydraulic material could wet paper be...
The water is efficient enough to bend connecting rods...
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Muah ha ha
It's alive let's just hope it's not too cold tomorrow cause the softop is still down :P
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bah, had issues getting to work this morning, half way there it decided it didn't want to shift into gear very easily. It was a struggle to get the rest of the way.
When I hold the pedal in the whole way and the tranny is in first or second the jeep still wants to move forward, so that tells me its not disengaged fully...
the only component I didn't replace is the slave, that a pretty safe bet? The master is new, and the brake fluid is as full as it will go, doesn't appear to be leaking anywhere
any ideas?
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air in the system. needs to be bled yo.
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well that's something I can do before I leave work at least, even have a jug of dot 3 with me today
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I'm ok on the puller, I was watching youtube with the wife cause I mentioned the grease trick that I didn't really want to do and we saw a wet paper method. Same idea, except you pack shredded wet paper behind it and hammer a socked or whatever into the gap, it worked quite well, it even cleaned the old grease out of the crevices for me :P
edit: here is the video we watched, it did actually work that easily, the only difference for me was I needed 3 and a bit pieces of soaked paper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xuR7T8G1Ys
In process of putting it all back together should be finishing up tonight.
Oh and for what it's worth,all the trouble the transmission gave me when I was pulling it, it slid back in first second push, 2 minute operation. haha, my modified floor jack worked quite well.
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Wow! I never thought that would work! I wonder how the guy in the vid figured that one out?