Calgary Jeep Association
4x4 Related Groups => General Talk => Topic started by: Jrama on June 17, 2011, 06:51:00 PM
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Just as the title reads, I am seriously considering this tire for my next set but have no idea how they actually perform in mud as people are constantly getting them confused with the old mtrs. I have a hard time believing they don't clear out with their paddle like lugs on the side. But I suppose stranger things have happened
Experience Thoughts Opinions?
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I've had them on since last summer and they've seen some pretty decent mud (I have no lockers). They've been great - even in the deep snow. Ice, on the other hand, is another story.
There was some rumor of them wearing quickly, but I've seen nothing of the sort and have almost 18-20k km on them.
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do it you wont be disapointed all year round.
DO IT
i have some 31s on the mj and they are great.
id have some 37s on my xj if they were not so hard to get in that size
im gonna get more mtrs when i need my next set of rubber
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Thanks for the posts
Yeah these tires are at the top of my list, I'll probably be getting a set.
Anybody know any good places to order them from in the U.S.? Right now I'm thinking of dealing with either tire rack or tread depot, these tires are made in the U.S. and are duty and tax free. I'm going to pick them up at the border.
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So I just got these tires all mounted up and they are amazing on the road. Not only are they quiet, but they feel more stable through the corners.
I do however have a problem, the shop used balance beads in the tire as opposed to traditional weights. Now, my tires are not properly balanced as they wobble around 70 kph. I go back to the shop and they say it takes a day or two for the beads to set in or something?
Is this true? or should I just go back tomorrow and tell them to add more beads and balance the tires properly?
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I run balance beads(steel BBs actually) in my bias ply tires and have had good luck with them but they don't "set in". They should work right away. Either have them add more beads or balance them with weights.
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Yeah, putting up with kind of wobble I am experiencing during this...."set in" period is pretty much unacceptable. I'm going to call them tomorrow and get this sorted out
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BTW these tires are not industructable. When I was in Moab I saw one almost pop a sidewall. It wasn't losing air but the outer rubber was torn, some cords had broken and were bulging thru the rip in the sidewall. Quite amazing actually that it still held air.
They were 265s on a Toyota FJ that tired to follow my 36" Iroks. :D (the bias ply ones)
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I didn't buy them for the Kevlar sidewalls, I like the tread pattern...in my mind it makes perfect sense, open lugs (varying voids) for mud on both sides, tight tread in the middle for road, snow and flotation. Separate flex zones so it clears the mud while spinning, silica in the rubber compound and a decent tread pattern on the sidewall etc etc. Seems like the ideal do all, dd tire.
After they have some trails I'll post up on what my thoughts are for Alberta wheelin. I couldn't find enough satisfactory answers when I was looking for a set to buy.
Right now under the weight of the jeep they measure out to be 34.4" tall at 30 psi and IMO look pretty decent none of that white letter garabage
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I'll be interested to hear your report. I'm looking for something from my 5.9 ZJ that can double as a mild trail tire with good road manners.
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I am curious to hear how they work in the mud and wet conditions because the original MTRs were BRUTAL
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4_banger_madness has a set of them on his new rubicon.. And talking to a friend from work, his buddy runs them and according to him they perform better then the Toyo MT's on muddy hill climbing and in the mud.. Haven't seen them out myself but just what I've heard about them
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Whaaaaa??? Better than Toyos! I'm afraid we may have to ask you to leave.... ;)
Take that Team Toyo! :P
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Hey my dad works at a tire shop and I'll be running toyo's on my heep too =p So I'm not going anywhere haha
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So i brought it in to the shop today and they said the steering stabilizer was shot and want it replaced before re-balancing the tires. My theory is that if my old tires were balanced and it had no problems, then if these tires were properly balanced I should have no problems?
They put 6oz of beads in each tire, anybody have opinions if this is enough?
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They put 6oz of beads in each tire, anybody have opinions if this is enough?
My SSRs have a fair bit of weight and I think my old 31" MTRs took about 4oz to balance
Edit: Disregard my post as I missed the fact you are using beads
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id say they need more like 8-10oz
what kind of rims are you useing? cheep rims dont balance vary good.
also i bet these tires weigh more than your old ones so they could be making an old problem noticeable.
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I got 15x8 Alcoa forged aluminium...they are the stock rims on RME TJ
I got some advice from modern motors, to just get rid of the balance beads and balance them traditionally. They also explained that the steering stabilizer certainly is not the cause of this or any other wobble on a jeep. talked to the shop, they agreed to re-balance them traditionally
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I have them. They are "ok".. The BFG KM was a better tire. They are not wearing as "nice" as I would like them to, and are louder than you think. They are better than the last MTR's.
By the way - make sure you put them on correctly. The little lugs go in, or confirm the tire says "this side out". (Its usually the white letter side.)
That said mine have always been on backwards and may be part of my problems.
As for balance - I run centramatics as well as a traditional stick on weight balance
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I just got them re-balanced at the shop using the traditional stuck on weights. They are now glass smooth, road noise is extremely minimal, about the same as a KM2. These however feel much more stable through the corners and generally handle better (Clearly these tires have a stiffer sidewall). My KM2s were a 10.50 width, these are a 12.50. You can however feel the extra rolling resistance of these tires over the 10.50's (4.88 ratio was a wise choice). At very low parking lot speeds you can just feel the rumble of the lugs on the pavement, like little tank treads.
They balanced with a maximum of 11oz of weight at the most.
Mine are mounted correctly, I had discussions with the guys mounting the tires. However nice these tires are on the road (so far) I am very curious to see how they actually perform on the trail. The voids between all the lugs (little and big) vary in size and have a 1.5"- to 1" spacing between them. They look like they should throw mud. I am going to be out this weekend and should have pretty good idea of how these do
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a nice chart to see with the balance beads
http://www.innovativebalancing.com/BigTirechart.htm (http://www.innovativebalancing.com/BigTirechart.htm)
I have heard good and bad about them, not great for lower profile stuff.
depending on how the tires were mounted can have a huge difference on how much weight is needed. they can usually be match mounted(like up the heavy spot with the low spot on the wheel to minimize the amount of imbalnce.
I have had my 31's take no weight at all or about 11 oz to balance( before match mounting them), I then got it down to about 5 -6 oz with match mounting.
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How do you match mount tires?
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I hate it when you come across threads that don't have a proper conclusion so.....
Now that I have bought these tires and run them on the trail a couple times I thought I'd answer my own question. I have been running these tires at 15 psi, so there is still potential room for improvement.
Rocks - Couldn't be happier, seem to grip with the best of em easily. Clearly this tires competency. Probably have pretty hard time finding a streetable tire that grips as hard as these.
Mud - Flat out work, better than what I was hoping for. Mud is not an issue for this tire, it will pull you through. Get them spinning and watch the mud clear the tires horizontally, not just flinging off the tread vertically.
Trail-Bite hard on wet logs,slippery obstacles tons of control
Dirt/ Loose surfaces- Hill climbs thus far have been easily done, shale hills are 2wd drive obstacles with little slip.
Road- Great for an M/T quiet and handle well wet, dry and just fine on the highway. I may emphasize these tires offroad abilities, but seriously a docile M/T that again will hang with the best of them on the pavement. Winter however i have no basis for judgement.
To Sum it all up, these tires are better than I hoped. If your looking for a tire that will kick some serious arse on the trail and will be easily driven on everyday these are a top choice. I'd like to say they will hang with the more extreme MT's such as TSL's and Iroks without much of a problem.