Calgary Jeep Association
4x4 Related Groups => Tech Talk => Topic started by: gsxtacy on April 21, 2006, 03:56:10 PM
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It's coming into summer again and you know what that means, GOING TOPLESS for me and the Jeep. anyone got any clue as to how i could rig up a hardtop hoist and storage system on the roof of my garage (12ft cielings i think)
thanx!
also i think my vin is bad. i have a 258 in my jeep, but when i got the vin decoded, it said i only had a 232. any ideas???
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Who decoded your VIN?
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it was nat'l 4x4
i dunno if they slipped a digit, but i've got that 258.
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run it yourself
http://jeep.avtograd.ru/VIN/vin_en.asp
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and hard top hoist. I've seen a few good'uns. Best was a small electic winch mounted on the side of the garage. Pully system going to a sling or sorts. Worked great.
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ok, neat, but my jeep is from 1977
:?
thanx tho
:twisted:
i'll try that hardtop sling thingy with a boat crank
thanx
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also i think my vin is bad. i have a 258 in my jeep, but when i got the vin decoded, it said i only had a 232. any ideas???
'77 came stock with:
232 / T-150 3 speed or TH400 auto tranny
OR
258 / T-18A 4 speed
Yours probably rolled out of the factory with the 232, and has since been upgraded.
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For storage for mine I built a frame on wheels to stand it up and roll it against the wall and put a 2x4 under to lift the wheels to stop it from rolling. Only problem I ran into is I hadd to add something to stop it from sliding off the frame. Its a bit tricky by yourself but once done its nice.
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weird. when i pulled the air cleaner lid off and cleaned all of the grime and crap off of it, it said 258, but i have a 3 spd. my grampa said that it had never been changed around, everything was stock when he got it, and that's from the factory.
weird.
thanx sort, but i'm looking for something to hang it from the rafters with.
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I just noticed your 'arctic fox' edition comments... That's interesting, and a sweet find !!
Not exactly sure how these things worked back then, but it maybe rolled out of Jeeps factory with the 232 (VIN stamped), then off to another builder/customizer who did up the axles (from the stock 20/30), engine, paint or decals, etc..
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ya, i would think that's wat it was, but y would they put a hurst shifter on a t-150?
maybe it's like a running joke...
thanx for everything guys...
probably build the hardtop hoist next wkend.
post pics soon.
thanx!
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Yup, It's got to be a bad VIN #, I'd replace it.
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HAHA, oh were you serious? :lol:
that's probably very much what happened, and i'm going through records that my grampa has of this rebuild... not much here, except a build list from AMC that states what he wanted... 258 i-6 with a 3 spd. :twisted: couple more inches of clearance, dana 44s (althought i put the 30/20 back on to allieviate bad fuel economy (they're just that much lighter)). can't make out who did the build, there's an oil or coffee or something stain on it :evil: , looks like the address is
Wil------and Jeep Parts and Customizing
562 South Reynolds Road, Toledo, OH 43615
and i can kinda figure that the buisness is "Willys Kaiser-Overland Jeep parts and Customizing"
neat! :twisted:
as soon as i get my scanner working, i'll post this sheet.
SCORE!!!!
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You could use a cheap ATV winch instead of a hand crank
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ya, but for the calgarian weather we've been having lately (snow yesterday WTF???!!!)
i'd probs only be using it once or twice a year, make the lift tubes out of aluminium, and bob's ur uncle
i'm trying to keep this whold project under 50 buxx.
thanx anyways NS!
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How did that hanging hard top invention go??? I would like to do the same but havent thought about how yet...!
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1 PIECE TOPS ONLY!!!!
DISCLAIMER!:\
IF YOU ARE DULL ENOUGH TO TRY THIS FIRST IDEA, especially w/ a 3-piece top, THEN YOU ARE YOUR OWN DESTROYER, BLAH BLAH, BLAH, I HOLD NO RESPONSIBILITY OVER ACTS OF GOD, COD, OR THE WIFE COMING IN AND TELLING YOU TO GE THAT THING THE *&%^&^%&*DOWN FROM THE CIELING, HOWEVER, MY SECOND IDEA WILL BE BETTER
enjoy:
you can use the basic idea from the 50$ hard top hoists found on e-bay (bad idea)
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this is essentially it, very briefly, because typing sux:
get a good strong, long but skinny piece of Hollo Structural Steel and angle steel, (i went with a 3/4" x 3/4" 6' piece of HSS & a 2' x 1" x 1" piece of angle steel (find these @ your local home rona/totem) and 50' of rope (nylon because the regular hemp rope is only good to smoke) and 6 eyebolts of 1/2" diameter threads, the bigger the eye, the better. now, you're hss will have an assload of holes drilled into it if it's the same one i used. so take the L steel and line up the exact middle of it with the last hole on the HSS and it should fit really flush together, drill a hole that matches the one on the hss. next, drill 2 more on the ends of the L steel, and tighten 2 eyebolts on it, with the eyes parallel to the L steel, upside down. (eye points to the floor if you are having the L steel on the top of the HSS). Put a eye bolt in the middle hole you drilled and tighten it down, making sure it's parallel with the HSS. ok, set that aside. the fun part's over, have a beer, watch tv, play with you're kids, whatever floats your boat. now, HERE'S WHERE I WENT WRONG!!!!!!!!!!! DON"T DO THIS!!!!!!! put 2 pulleys on 2 bicycle hangar hooks, put them into studs and bend them back a couple of times. secure with small hose clamps. loop nylon rope through the pulleys and attach to a boat trailer whinch, attach winch to wall, be wary that the winch will only work in 1/2 turns unless you provide enough space for the handle (that sux, it takes 10 minutes to lower the top) now, attach another eyebolt, facing up, and parallel to the HSS into the HSS and tighten. string rope through the bolt on the end and the one about 1/4 the way down the contraption that you built before you had the beer. make sure the rope enters opposite sides of the eyes on the bolts. tie it off (this is only temporary) do you have old frayed bungee cords? cut them apart, save the hooks. tie the hooks to the nylon rope, so you have primitive bungee cords.ex: <_|=======|_>
same lengthrope hook thingies is imperitave, unless you want to have a stupid moment with the hardtoptilting and going all over the place. ok, so now you have a t-frame with two rope hooks laying on the ground, hooked onto the two inverted eyebolts. put to eyebolts parallel to the L steel about 3/4 the ways down the HSS, facing opposite directions in the holes right beside eachother. make a long rope hook thing that will fit underneath the front of the top and come around to the same spot on the roof of the top. ok, now, start hoisting. even with the trailer whinch, this is going to be tough and i reccommend 2 ppl do this, one to hoist, one to spot the top and steady it in mid-air. I DO NOT RECCOMMEND THIS CONTRAPTION AS A WAY TO STORE TOPS SUSPENDED FOR A LONG AMOUNT OF TIME. MY NEXT CONTRAPTION WILL BE.
If everything goes smoothly and you did everything properly, you should be happy. :twisted:
FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT HAPPY:
this one is good for those garages w/ higher cielings, and i think i may dismantle my current one and put this one up instead:
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Get some steel barn door track and the wheel & hangar kit from rona
pick up a block and tackle that should be good for the weight of your top. get some chain (20') some openable links and some GOOD hooks, preferably rubber coated and an ULTRA HIGH FLAME HARDENED SUPER DUTY steel ring, or use 2 cheap ones if you like. Bolt the track into your ceiling using the hangars, assemble the wheels and the endplates and mount them inside the track. hang the block and tackle from the wheels, and hang about 10' of good, heavy chain from the block and tackle, running it around. (however big your ceiling is) and put a openable link onto the bottom of it, hooking into the ring. close the link and put three more openable links onto the ring, add only enough chain to reach the bottom of the top when the ring is resting on the roof of it. it would be preferable if you hang the ring @ the back and chain down and hook the hatch if your rear hatch locks, then chain down the centre of the top and hook to the middle of the front, ALL SHOULD BE GOOD N' TIGHT , then lift away!! the goodness of this is that if you got the whole thing big enough, you can slide the top out of the way and out of the mind, the chain will hold it up no problem, although you may want to add a hook to the middle of the chain and to the wall to prevent it from spinning, or just put it against the wall to prevent it from spinning as well. IF YOU BUILD THIS BIG ENOUGH, YOU MAY EVEN BE ABLE TO USE IT AS AN ENGINE HOIST, ALTHOUGH I DON'T CONDONE IT!
the second one is by far the best, although the first one will work for people on a limited budget. you may also expand the design by making a square frame and hanging the top offa that, and if the pics don't work, just paste them into the "post a reply" window and all should become clear.
BE CAREFUL , HAVE FUN!!