Calgary Jeep Association
General Forums => Chit-Chat => Topic started by: tubby on February 12, 2012, 03:29:09 PM
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whats the wages like
and what would we be working on
im a first year heavy duty tech
Probably best answered if you pick up a phone and call Randy at the number he posted, if you are truly interested. He's a busy guy and doesn't come on this site daily.
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whats the wages like
and what would we be working on
im a first year heavy duty tech
Firts year tech s work on whatever they are told to work on , not whine about it , or else , that's how it should be.
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Firts year tech s work on whatever they are told to work on , not whine about it , or else , that's how it should be.
sorry should i clean your tools as well .. i may only be a first year on paper but im sure ill teach you a thing or a hundred
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sorry show i clean your tools as well .. i may only be a first year on paper but im sure ill teach you a thing or a hundred
Composing a grammatically correct sentence would not be one of those things ;D
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I am more than willing to discuss wage with anyone that would like to call me and discuss it as there are factors. Just me posting wages is not professional. I consider what people make per hour a confidential topic. Even what we discuss is subject to change, it all comes down to what my bosses offer whoever decides to apply.
Sorry my bad for saying recession proof. What I meant is there will always be a railway. Trains MUST run. Period! The equipment we work on is the machines that replace the ties, rail, ballast ( gravel under tracks ) and make repairs to tracks! There is no such thing as a slow time for us. We are always busy. We work in the Calgary shop all winter overhauling the equipment for the following season.
So again any questions please feel free to give me a shout!
Thanks!!
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sorry show i clean your tools as well .. i may only be a first year on paper but im sure ill teach you a thing or a hundred
Not sure if you're just trying to be funny ... but so far you've shown us you're a tool. Gearhead is one of the most knowledgeable mechanics I've ever met and you'd be lucky to have him show you a thing or two.
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FUG should i bring you a hurt feelings report or some toilet paper so you can keep wiping gearhead's arse
all i was doing was asking a question
and for gearhead sorry u feel that first years need to do everything you don't want to .. and its a shame that you were taught that way I'm sure you have lots of knowledge to share but with you attitude and disrespect for others i don't blame anyone that wouldn't want to learn from you
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You know what the fun thing about running a website is? Banning people who squirt you off. Bye!
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i'll drink to that
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Wow because Jeff sure never helped anyone out here... Hell he even posted usefull information about where to buy a Tj battery terminal and how coilovers can't "directly bolt into a Tj", questions no one else would have wasted time answering.
Good call fug ban everyone who's willing to help the newbs here. Can't remember the last time I seen you pick up a wrench for someone else's rig.
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I guess I figure its not cool to have non club members being asses to paying long time members. I figure its my job as VP and website admin to ensure our members don't get abused on the site. If you think differently then put forward a motion at the next meeting that says we shouldn't ban anyone from the site.
I think his build has been cool to watch... have enjoyed some of the stuff he's posted ... but he's crossed the line a few times over the past few months. Heck it used to be that posting any kind of a cuss word or slander would get you banned on here... I try not to be that rigid but its supposed to be a family friendly site.
As for me not helping with someone elses rigs.... Have we ever met? Do you know how many people in this club are wheeling rigs they got from me? or on parts they got from me? I don't claim to be a whiz mechanic... or master fabricator.... what I do is help out with site... help organize the show and shine... and part out a few jeeps here and there.
So again... its not about how helpful Jeff is or isn't... it's about crossing the line and being abusive towards long time members of this club.
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Wow because Jeff sure never helped anyone out here... Hell he even posted usefull information about where to buy a Tj battery terminal and how coilovers can't "directly bolt into a Tj", questions no one else would have wasted time answering.
Good call fug ban everyone who's willing to help the newbs here. Can't remember the last time I seen you pick up a wrench for someone else's rig.
I don't have a dog in this fight, because to be honest I know and like both of the Jeff's....but I will say that someone's definitely over-reacting to an innocent joke that was made in passing, and that caused it to turn into WAY more drama than it should have.
I'll also suggest that being confrontational with one of the admins on the site when you don't really know him or what he's done for other folks in the club might not be the most productive move...especially for someone that hasn't yet gotten around to becoming a member. I know Robin well enough to say that's he's done a lot for this club and the people in it...and I've personally seen him go WAY out of his way to help out new folks both on and off the trail. You're way off base buddy.
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haha, Robin lent me his brand new $850 ARB locker so I could wheel the winter camping trip and then order him a new one afterwards and has bent over backwards (and been bent over) to help out members and non members.
if you're not a "member" here, you might not know this and shouldn't have opinions about those who are.
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Were posts deleted or did he just get banned for defending himself after a condescending remark?
I believe that is the definition of 'admin abuse'.
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Were posts deleted or did he just get banned for defending himself after a condescending remark?
I believe that is the definition of 'admin abuse'.
It was addressed in the post at the bottom of the first page.
If there are any concerns, there is a "Report Post" button or you can PM any of the exec.
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Were posts deleted or did he just get banned for defending himself after a condescending remark?
I believe that is the definition of 'admin abuse'.
And I believe that your post defines someone who didn't bother reading the whole thread. Please go back and re-read it.
After that if you don't like the way that the thread was moderated, then please feel free to spend the time required to make a contribution to the club, become a member, and then you get to vote and have a say in how the board is moderated.
Until then, please feel free to continue using this site without any financial contribution or volunteering your time. While we're open to having all sorts of guests, it's CJA members and the executive that are elected by the members to moderate this board who decide what's appropriate here.
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What's with all this over reaction and post hijacking from both sides, both sides have had great contributions to this club, and both sides have remarks that to the other side can be considered questionable. Either way, mistakes are made and as read before Jeff was banned, he tried to make amends for his comment being taken out of context. I don't know, I guess if you make a comment that pisses one of the great admin off, you get a arbitrary ban, which is unfair. But who am I to say, as a person who has volunteered with the club, and showed up to meeting, yet not a member. I just think being one side tried to make things better, the other side should extend an olive branch out as well, and just drop all of this.
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My arguement on this was made with respect to both sides.
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I can see the that there are two underlying and competing view with the statement that started this whole mess. As an apprentice myself i was blessed and very fortunate to start my career in a small shop that was personal and i worked WITH my jman's around the shop as an equal to gain knowledge. I didn't have to "earn my stripes" to get respect from the people i worked with. I am now finishing up my ticket in a larger unionized shop that has a very different attitude towards apprenticing. One that you have to put in your time and take your lumps to get anywhere. A pecking order but polished up and called seniority.
Is one system better than the other, NO. They both have their good and bad points to them. My first 6 months in the new shop and experiencing what i was told is how things used to work was a huge wake up call for me.
My personal stake in this says you can be a Jman and know less that some of the 1st years out there. The little piece of paper in my wallet is a certification that i went to school, not that i learned anything. I rate the caliber of a mechanic on how he handles a problem, and how resourceful he is about fixing it. They can and have trained monkey workers to hang parts, and tighten bolts. Mechanics are the ones who can diagnose, and perceive things beyond a broken part to determine why it broke and how to prevent it from happening again. All while using the resources at hand, especially if your running out of a truck.
In the end shame on both of you.
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How about you go start or finish this pissing match your own thread? Or just close/delete this thread. I don't want my name associated with this kind of thing.
For the record I think gearhead was out of line for his first post in MY thread. Jeff had every right to defend himself. But I too am not a paying member as my schedule does not allow me to be around for meetings and such.
Thank you
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I stand behind what I said, not like it matters it'll be deleted by the end of the day. And I haven't disrespected Cja for the 7 years I've been here.
Perhaps fug does lend a hand behind closed doors, I may be wrong. I've never been behind the member door.
Side note: it absolutely astounds me that I have been a "nonmember" here for 7 years, attended maybe 10 meetings, 15-20 trail rides, brought my club to the toy run last year (5 jeeps or so), and have gone to the show and shine quite a few times... Yet maybe 2 of the exec's actually know who I am... I've met you all countless times, am I just that forgettable? I think I need a hug.
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How about you go start or finish this pissing match your own thread? Or just close/delete this thread. I don't want my name associated with this kind of thing.
Thank you
This.
All this other BS needs to go away from this Thread. I'm sure it isn't the kind of attention Randy is looking for.
I don't care for over moderation, but this thread is useless other than being a pissing match. I think maybe everything should be deleted other than Randy's original post.
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I split this thread so as to not take away from the original post which was perfectly legit post.
A few points
1) The ban was not intended to be permanent.
2) It's my opinion that abusing an admin in an open forum should be an automatic ban. There are a number of us that moderate this board and we don't deserve to be second guessed or abused in an open forum. We don't always make the right call and its OK to disagree with us... but please PM the admin in question or another member of the exec... otherwise the board ends up being a free for all and people stop wanting to come here.
Just in case it's not clear... the ban was handed out because when I tried to tell Jeff he was being a tool and he should lay off Gearhead he came back by being abusive to me. If he had come back furthering his argument in a reasonable tone... I'd have just left it alone.
If you call a ref names at a hockey game, you get tossed... I dare say, if you tell you boss he's a moron you end up getting fired or at the very least your advancement opportunities become limited. If you all think I'm giant tool then so be it... you are more than welcome to show up at some meetings get a membership and vote my overbearing, rude, insensitive and incompetent arse out. In the meantime... I'll try to do what I think is right to keep the club and the boards a pleasant place for people to hang out and I'm more than willing to listen to anyone who has ideas on how to make that happen.
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I can see where you are coming from Fug, Jeff should not have responded to you the way he did.... But regardless Gearhead WAS out of line for his response to Jeff's first post. Period. In my opinion you were out of line for defending it.
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Fair enough. I looked at my response and I could have been a bit nicer about the point I was trying to make for sure. I do apologize for that. I will certainly admit.... I've known Gearhead for years and I like the guy... so that certainly played into my reaction.
I do kind of agree with the point he was making tho... far to often I get noobs walking through the door asking what YOU can do for them... and think they know everything and that all the rest of the guys on the team are idiots and they are there to tell them that. Usually they don't last too long... the guys that really become indispensible are the ones who come in... don't say much... look around get the lay of the land and then show you that they are over and above what you ever expected from them. Those are the guys that I love having on my team. I guess I'm showing my age there... when I started my career there were really no jobs to be had and you had to work hard to earn the respect. I've certainly noticed a shift in attitude in the past 10 years
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Pretty fair comments so far.
Now look at it from the other side. How many times do we warn someone to change the way they conduct themselves on the site? 2? 3? 4? Or do we just stop moderating the comments that are left? If we do that, we will wind up with people complaining that so and so was a dick in one of their threads, their thread has been hijacked and derailed, or that their for sale thread is being tarded up by people who have zero intention of buying the things for sale and only want to post smartass comments (I think this is where the majority of our deleted comments come from).
Comparing to the various forums I am on, we probably have the most relaxed approach to moderation. If we followed some of the other sites guidelines, there would be a lot of people on here with no access to the for sale sections and a lot more posts/ threads removed. We are fairly relaxed on letting threads get off topic (to a degree) and the “family friendly” policy of the site has a fair bit of leeway in it (within reason).
Yes, Jeff has contributed to the site, no one is going to argue with you on that point. But at the same time, there have been a few times where he has been asked to modify the way he posts. If I recall correctly, no one has actually received a permanent ban from the site, at least in the 3 or so years I have been here. Like fug said, this is a 2 day or so “time out”, not a permanent removal.
If I'm way off in any of this, please say so.
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I think it's only fair that I respond .
This is all I 'm gonna ad
My comment , back at the beginning was a joke .
Is this an apology ? , nope , I'm not sorry , it was a joke , it's that simple , a condescending remark ? , hardly , attitude or disrespect ? nah , sure got some back though , the difference is , I can take it .
Not sure how or why my humor was interpreted as an attack or how this thread has turned into a hissy fit
Do I want to argue about any of this ? what for ?
Rubio3 has shown his true colours , his emotional reaction has gotten him banned , oh well .
For the record :
No apprentice in my care , ever had to clean my tools , as jeff suggested.
No apprentice in my care , was ever forced to do anything i wouldn't do myself or have not done myself , although many of them have whined about it , or quit .
I nearly fell out of my chair while reading jeff's claim that he could teach me a "hundred" things , not gonna happen ever .
Why would I be so cruel and insensitive as to tease or make fun of an apprentice ? ....................
In my 37 years as a tradesman I've seen and done alot , what has become apparent is that there are fewer and fewer people in the blue collar workforce that have the following qualities.
* Good work ethics
* A marketable level of skill
* Show up for work every day or on time
* Can take a bit of constructive criticism without breaking down , sobbing or crying
* Can actually repair something without changing a bunch of perfectly good parts
* Can think outside of the box , break new ground by pioneering a new technique or procedure
* Can envision an item , a tool , a part or whatever , in their mind , then go out on the shop floor and create it , or even make a legible drawing of it
* Can display a level of competance without appearing arrogant or an all knowing expert that truely knows little about anything
Too much emphasis these days is placed on " how much will I be payed ? " , what's in it for me , why should I have to do that ?
Some day I'll say what I really feel
Until then , any of you oversensitive metros that think anyones rights have been violated can pound sand , now THAT was condescending , not directed at anyone in particular , just a general comment to all the drama queens that seem to pop up all the time .
I tend to talk to people as I please , respect where due , dickheads are treated as such.
Robin I like you too .
That is all
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People need to remember that comments that are typed out can be quite different from how they were intended to come across. That goes for BOTH sides.
If I'm way off in any of this, please say so.
IMHO....Yup, you are way off,and here's why:
There's no reason (again, IMO) that this should be discussed in the open forums. No reason at all. If someone has a beef with someone else, it should be discussed privately.....that includes if you feel someone disrespected you on the open forum - PM them about it. I'm not talking about debating something....I'm talking about trading cheap shots back and forth. And if the admin steps in, and you have an issue, discuss it privately. And if the admin feel the need to explain themselves, then that member gets the explanation....not everyone.
If you need to drop the hammer, then do so, and involve only those who need involving.
I can hardly see anyone here having a discussion like this in the lunch room at work, involving two employees at odds, with the boss/supervisor having to explain to the whole lunchroom why they meted out discipline like they did. Or further, other employees not involved beaking off at the boss in front of the whole lunch room.
Don't take it personally....It's just my belief that these things can be handled quieter and more effectively that way. ;)
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Aaaaaand are we ready to lock this thing yet? Please?
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Nope. Just waiting to see who could not leave well enough alone. ;-) We shouldn't HAVE to lock... we can just all move on...
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no one is makes making you read ... are they?
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Ok People, This is one wild little thread. I met Jeff (Gearhead) in 1989, and I'm gonna tell you there is not many more knowledgeable wrench's out there. I'm a licenced heavy duty red seal, and there is nothing that I have not worked on and I respect his abilities. These are items I recognized when i was a wet behind the ears farm boy. Jeff is a straight to the point fellow and I do recognize that his points can be taken a little harsh and many may not under stand his humor. I have not been envolved in this thread to this point, nore do I want to further. For those that think I don`t know anything I own a business with 41 employees total, with 30 (labour's /mechanics from helper to licensed automotive, heavy duty and welders.) I would hire Jeff in a minute and take his attitude just to add life into the joint.
I do want to end with a simple consern of my own.
I do see this club as a kind of we stick to our own little click. So much to the point that I myself have decided that I will assit as required on threads, but will not join. Just don`t believe that i will fit in, and don`t feel like the drama when items are taken out of context.
By all means bash my points as I will not be responding.
Les
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...and don`t feel like the drama...
Les
It happens about this time every year around here, people must get cabin fever or something.