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General Forums => Chit-Chat => Topic started by: morerpmfred on March 26, 2012, 12:37:05 PM
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Seen the first election sign this during the morning commute.
Ted moron ,a pc candidate in the riding at chestermere.
He is responsable for a lot of recent trail closures. A hard core enviro nazi.
I will not be ever voting for pc candidate ever again because of him.
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Oh good a politics thread on an open forum board. This should go over real well.
Where have you been the last few elections Andy? Are you telling me you voted PC's prior to any involvment of Ted Morton? There hasn't been any PC worth a hill of beans when it comes to 4x4 trail access.
Surprisingly after Peter Lougheeds antics over Kananaskis I actually did vote PC's one more time. Ralph Klein got my vote and I'm happy what he did for Alberta when he first got in.
I think the PC dictatorship should come to an end to waken them up from thier rule over the province. They have far too much power to just push through what they want without considering anything but thier own agenda. They need a shaker up election to set them back into line for a while.
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This will be fun. Time to polish up the ban hammer. ;D
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That almost sounds German. ;D
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Nein! Nein! NEIN!!! Wir nicht von Politik sprechen. Ich werde Sie zu verbieten!
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"Heil Kevin" just doesn't have the same affect.
This thread has already gone astray. :P
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"Heil Kevin" just doesn't have the same affect.
LOL!
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You are right Gunner. The last time I voted pc was for king Ralph. And the current dictatorship and the rest of their comrades needs to be voted out.
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If you played a game where your opponent kept cheating to win, why would you still play?
Not inferring that this is the case here, but in many countries around the world, corruption in politics runs rife. I won't be voting at all, I refuse to play the game.
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Voting is the most important thing a person can do in a free democracy. For me, I will not be voting for any pc member which ted morton is a member off.
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Actually the most important thing you can do in a free democracy is scratch your own butt. That's what I'll be doing just before I vote. It gives me insight for which butt to vote for.
I can't stand either of the known parties Liberal, NDP, or PC,s so personally I'll be giving the Wild Rose a try. None of them can really do any worse for our access than what we've witnessed first hand for the last many years.
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Actually the most important thing you can do in a free democracy is scratch your own butt. That's what I'll be doing just before I vote. It gives me insight for which butt to vote for.
I can't stand either of the known parties Liberal, NDP, or PC,s so personally I'll be giving the Wild Rose a try. None of them can really do any worse for our access than what we've witnessed first hand for the last many years.
Well, I think that the NDP could and would do worse....but I agree with your sentiment in general. I vote for the lesser of the available evils.
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Just watched the news on global. 38% for pc,s and 38% for the wildrose party on support at the polls. I will not be voting for allison redford or her party the pc,s bacause of all the land closures initated by ted morton who was srd minister at the time.
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For those of you who don't vote, for whatever reason...then I only have 1 thing to say... You get what you ask for.
Voting is the only way to make your voice heard, and if you don't want to participate, then you have no right to complain later!! Now lets all have fun!!!
;D ;D
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For those of you who don't vote, for whatever reason...then I only have 1 thing to say... You get what you ask for.
if you don't want to participate, then you have no right to complain later!!
;D ;D
The way I see it is if the party YOU voted in sucks donkeynuts, then YOU have no right to complain!!!
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i am going Wildrose this time. i voted Redford in to be the new leader but she disappointed me overall, and now i would like to see if Smith can disappoint me.
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I can tell ya neither damn one of them is getting my vote. Now that im working mostly night shifts, and sleeping during the day when I can, THERES NOTHING MORE AGGRAVATING THAN MY CELL PHONE RINGING WITH AN AUTOMATED VOICE ASKING WHICH PARTY IM VOTING FOR!!!!!.
One keeps calling me from the wildrose, and the other from the PCs.... At least the wild rose one picked up when I called it back and I really dont think she will ever call me again :D
Hopefully they dont have my address........
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If you don't practice your right to vote then you forfeit your right to complain/argue about politics. my grandfather always said that.
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Oh I fully agree!!!
Just will have to think things through thoroughly this time around :D
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I'm voting Wild Rose only because their leader has nice "tires" ;D
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(http://img.tapatalk.com/4ac696f7-58d7-cf63.jpg)
Here is the sign on a rural backroad south of chestermere like ted the road is in need of repair. Like ted the road is a back road. Not a major highway. Come election day this back road pc candidate will be voted out.
A poll released today by rorum research says that the wildrose will win the election by a majority. The reason when twenty something mla,s from the pc party collect $1000 a month for three years and do nothing.
I will not be voting for allison redford leader of the pc party cause of the corruption and she has no tires on her bus.
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Andy - I'm still confused.... you are saying you will not be voting PC? Just want to be clear on that... ;)
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Correct. Will not suger coat this.
I will not be voting for the pc.
I will not be voting for the progressive conservitive party or pc ,s for short.
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And all this time I thought you had all these little pet names for Morton because you liked him and his party. and everything they stand for. :-[ :)
I don't put much merit into public oppinion polls but this is an interesting site to follow. One can dream.
http://www.electionalmanac.com/ea/alberta/
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Good link. Bookmarked. Thanks Gunner.
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Here's your subliminal message for the day. You'll have to look at the picture and blink quickly hundreds of times for it to work.
(http://www.libertaspost.com/files/images/the-alberta-wild-rose.jpg)
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i'm voting for OBAMA :P
ahh nvm wrong elections duh!!! :-[
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I'm sorry but voting wildrose is like voting for the tea party in the states. Abortions/private healthcare/ anti gay/anti freedom/openly racist. As a left wing voter kinda sitting this one on the sideline I'm a little shocked and a little disheartened that this party is actually receiving support. It seems to me most of you are voting based on the past and aren't really looking at alberta's future or your future.
Now don't get me wrong the left parties are a little out of touch with albertans but seriously another right wing majority? You would be better served with a little competition and actual dialogue.
Neither of the right wing parties has half a chance at fixing our healthcare. I can also promise you none of us will sit by and watch private healthcare expand in this country.
I also just wanted to touch on oil royalties, I know thats a big issue but i do want to point out the rhetoric about companies leaving alberta if royalties went up is absurd. We give these companies the right to take money out of the ground. It's basically a money tree. Ya we charge a little for the right to pick but the picker never walks away empty handed. Maybe if they don't want our oil, alberta could drill for itself and only albertans would be getting rich from alberta's resources
We have more oil then most of the world combined and really we should all be a lot better off because of it.
Oh and seriously the liberal leader is probably smarter then every other leader combined and even if you don't vote for him please listen to some of his ideas. It would be nice to see the other parties back a leader with that level of intelligence and accomplishment for once. Although the pc's seem to prefer alcoholics and cheaters .....lol
I just wish the right wing parties/voters were capable of compassion towards other people, this world would sure be a nicer place. All i ever see from them is Hate!
Oh and before you slam me for voting left stop and think please..........maybe if you guys were nicer to the left you would get some wheeling support from them aswell..........just a thought.......
Please don't vote for one party because your mad at another, thats not how this system was meant to work.
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I also just wanted to touch on oil royalties, I know thats a big issue but i do want to point out the rhetoric about companies leaving alberta if royalties went up is absurd. We give these companies the right to take money out of the ground. It's basically a money tree. Ya we charge a little for the right to pick but the picker never walks away empty handed. Maybe if they don't want our oil, alberta could drill for itself and only albertans would be getting rich from alberta's resources
We have more oil then most of the world combined and really we should all be a lot better off because of it.
Really? Because last time that happened lots of the "pickers" just went next door to Sask. and picked over there until we got our heads straightened around.
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Please don't vote for one party because your mad at another, thats not how this system was meant to work.
Vengeance dictates my vote...not logic.... vengeance...
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Really? Because last time that happened lots of the "pickers" just went next door to Sask. and picked over there until we got our heads straightened around.
I agree, I work for a medium sized oil company with land in BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan and the US (Montana and Dakotas). If the cost of drilling goes up too high in Alberta, we'd invest wherever we can get the biggest return. I agree that the royalties could be tweaked, but if someone comes in and takes everything away, other provinces (or the US) could scoop up a lot of business. Look at what happened to Saskatchewan after the NDP's moved in.
The oil sands won't change because they take too much time and money to set up. However, the amount of money that the big oil companies invest would go down drastically. You have to understand how oil companies get their money to invest. It's all about where they can get the biggest return on investment. Is that in Canada, US, Africa, Middle East, off shore? Don't fool yourself into thinking that because Alberta has lots of oil that companies will spend whatever it takes to get it, especially when there are other options.
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Oh and before you slam me for voting left stop and think please..........maybe if you guys were nicer to the left you would get some wheeling support from them aswell..........just a thought.......
Now THAT is funny. Worth the price of admission, right there.
None of the folks here thing all that much of what the PC government has done to wheeling accessibility in Alberta....but it's still a lot better than what a Liberal or NDP government would have done over the same period.
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http://http://mortonopposition.com/ (http://http://mortonopposition.com/)
This is a parody from the liberal party. But this what we want. For the pc,s to be reduced to the opposition with wildrose as the majority in the election. Now Redford is in a very tight battle in her riding, she looses then resigns and morton gets on as leader of the opposition party , the pcs.
Now historically the governing party always does what the opposite of what the opposition wants and they, the opposition want more trail closures.
Lets all vote and get the wildrose in as majority goverment.
It would even be better if morton loses in his riding in Chestermere as well.
Sent from my I junk
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Andy, I think you should have stated in the beginning of this thread that people are required to state how long they have lived in Alberta with thier post. Just curious some times.
TMTJMJ, someone already pointed out the oil royalties from only about 3 years ago. Sask. sure did pick up in business quickly after that PC idea.
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Andy, I think you should have stated in the beginning of this thread that people are required to state how long they have lived in Alberta with thier post. Just curious some times.
Aren't you considered a naturalized citizen after attending two Stampedes? ;D
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Depends...do you own a white hat?
Oops..neither do I. :)
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I don't do hats.
After twelve years, I still consider myself a carpetbagging Easterner. Mostly because I don't much like crowds, and I only ever attended one Stampede. I guess I'll never end up truly naturalized.
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TMTJMJ, someone already pointed out the oil royalties from only about 3 years ago. Sask. sure did pick up in business quickly after that PC idea.
Even the small school I was teaching at in Rocky lost about 6 families to Saskatchewan.
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Ralph had an expression for certain easterners. Lol. Now that should apply to americans. Ted Morton is an american. Another reason not to vote for him or any other member of the pc party.
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hahahaha....yup and even all the people that weren't bums and scums took offence to that comment. He never did retract it but simply explained in which text it was made. I'll never forget that one. ;D
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i have 17 yrs under my belt in Alberta. When Stelmach raised the cost of doing business in this province. Oil/gas called his bluff and pulled out.
It hurt us huge! My business took a huge hit during that time period. Finally as we lay bleeding, Stelmach reduced the royalty taxing.
Is it any surprise that after that Alberta recovered the quickest in Canada during the Recession.
i will tell you why i am voting Wildrose.
Number one reason is that there is no way they can do worse than PC.
Number 2 is MAYBE, just maybe they might do so much better.
Three, reducing MLA's salaries by about 40g, no pay for any committee work and FULLY taxed on their income makes me happy.
If every MLA had to pay full taxes, it might make them look at other ways to reduce deficit instead of the continual rise in taxes.
As for 4x4 policies? who cares, they all lie anyways.
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I'll add one more thing to Spinal guys list why to vote Wildrose.
This hasn't been a hot topic, but for some of us, choice matters.
Currently with the PC a farmer can't take unpasteurized milk off his property without facing jail time. He can't let a hired hand drink it. Only the owner of the cow is allowed to drink it. In order for him to sell it, it has to be pasteurized and then we wonder why we are all finding out we are lactose intolerant or celiac. What kinda crap do they put in our food we get from the grocery stores? Before the health board was involved with what was approved for public sale (and the same people who determine what drugs are approved but that's a whole other topic) how many people were lactose? Celiac? had allergies? I for one would like the choice to choose fresh produce and milk without all the drugs they put into it.
What happened to freedom of choice? That was taken away by the PC dictatorship. Sure it's a minor issue, but look at all the other "minor" issues that have been imposed. At least Wildrose will give us a choice. NDP want to ruin Alberta, Liberals want to tax the hell out of us, and PC want to force us to live by their rules. At least with Wildrose, we have a chance to have a choice.
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If there is one reason to vote wild rose... They have the best names
1. Prasad PANDA (there so cute and cuddly)
2. Jeremy NIXON (I'm not a crook)
3. HAPPY MANN (seriously, need I say more)
4. Tim DYCK (family friendly site, come on ;)
5. Corrie ADOLPH (that's courage)
6. Ron LEECH (sucker)
7. Jackie LOVELY (hot as hell)
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Oh and before you slam me for voting left stop and think please..........
I thought about it and I need to vote with my right hand, if I'm going to take the time to vote, I don't want my ballet to be discounted because it looks like a drunken kindergartener voted for me.
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Looks to be a PC majority
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Rigged!! :P
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Morton is gonzo. Voted a distance second. Gone gone gone.
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All we can wait for in the next four years is what part of Alberta will be designated a no motorized park and what Premier will it be named after.
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sorry to bring this dead thread back up but just want to respond to the oil royalty issue. I realize if we up royalties oil companies will invest elsewhere. Really though people the oil is still in the ground and all these companies and people are still here to drill oil. Theres no reason we cant be doing this ourselves and reaping the full benefits.
Argue all you want but every dollar that goes into oil company owners pockets is money being taken out of canada never to return.
Theres a reason the oil companies had a fit and heavily invested elsewhere, they wanted the gravy train to keep on rolling and by sending a strong message to albertans they made it happen. I would call that fear tactics and we should all be offended. We have the oil not them and it is not shells god given right to access our resources at whatever cost they feel is ok.
Let the government control these resources and lets do it in a way where we can all have the opportunity to work hard and be compensated nicely. You think theres big paycheques up north right now just wait until all the profits go to the workers/contractors
There is enough oil resources in this province to warrant the needed investment to drill without the big oil giants.
As for the other parties destroying 4x4 rights, well thats what happens when all 4x4ers support only one party. Seems simple to me but i guess some don't get the picture. You need to show support to receive it. Most on this website seem to show concern for the environment so why so pro rightwing? Theres no reason even the green party couldn't support offroading rights if members made it a concern.
I guess the number one problem in this province isn't the government or a particular party, Its the individual albertan who just expects the parties to know what they want and how they want it without ever getting involved in the process.
If your sole role in the election process is voting then maybe you shouldn't be complaining.
I'm not saying shut down the oilsands. I'm saying lets stabilize the oilsands so none of us have to lose money/business when the oil companies throw their weight around or decide its cheaper to invest elsewhere.
Please someone out there see this for what it is
We should all be fumed at shell/bp/ect not stelmach, he was the only one with albertans wellbeing in mind.
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This is a jeep site so when I vote there are a lot of issues to ponder. There are some politicians who lie through there teeth and should never ever be voted in. They tell you one thing and act on there own personal beliefs and not what the constiuants want. Ted Morton is an example for when he was minister of srd.
For the past 25 years or so have been a member of varous political parties to keep me informed on what the direction the party is going so I know how to vote.
Oil revenue is only one issue and land access for recreational use is another issue. For me voting for a mla or mp who supports family values is high on the list as well.
A couple of years ago I had a two hour discussion with my mp regarding family values. Sounded like he supported them all. He later voted for mixed marriages. Next election he got voted out cause he lied to a lot of people.
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sorry to bring this dead thread back up but just want to respond to the oil royalty issue. I realize if we up royalties oil companies will invest elsewhere. Really though people the oil is still in the ground and all these companies and people are still here to drill oil. Theres no reason we cant be doing this ourselves and reaping the full benefits. 1
Argue all you want but every dollar that goes into oil company owners pockets is money being taken out of canada never to return. 2
Theres a reason the oil companies had a fit and heavily invested elsewhere, they wanted the gravy train to keep on rolling and by sending a strong message to albertans they made it happen. I would call that fear tactics and we should all be offended. We have the oil not them and it is not shells god given right to access our resources at whatever cost they feel is ok.
Let the government control these resources and lets do it in a way where we can all have the opportunity to work hard and be compensated nicely. You think theres big paycheques up north right now just wait until all the profits go to the workers/contractors 3
There is enough oil resources in this province to warrant the needed investment to drill without the big oil giants. 4
As for the other parties destroying 4x4 rights, well thats what happens when all 4x4ers support only one party. Seems simple to me but i guess some don't get the picture. You need to show support to receive it. Most on this website seem to show concern for the environment so why so pro rightwing? Theres no reason even the green party couldn't support offroading rights if members made it a concern. 5
I guess the number one problem in this province isn't the government or a particular party, Its the individual albertan who just expects the parties to know what they want and how they want it without ever getting involved in the process.
If your sole role in the election process is voting then maybe you shouldn't be complaining.6
I'm not saying shut down the oilsands. I'm saying lets stabilize the oilsands so none of us have to lose money/business when the oil companies throw their weight around or decide its cheaper to invest elsewhere.
Please someone out there see this for what it is
We should all be fumed at shell/bp/ect not stelmach, he was the only one with albertans wellbeing in mind.7
A couple of thoughts cuz I am bored.
1. There is no reason......there are a few actually. First off is Capital......Alberta (as a Province) does not have the investment capital to fund a State Run Oil Exploration and Development company (nor quite frankly do any of the people in government have the business acumen to successfully run a for profit entity on behalf of Albertan's. The next is resource, and by that I mean human resource needed to work in these companies. In the next 3 years alone Alberta is expected to have a shortfall of 170,000 people needed to fill roles in the workplace. Then there is the issue of cutting off foreign investment in the Oil Sands.....does anyone think this would not have far reaching implications outside of the energy industry - all you need to do is look to the current political climate between China and Japan and the rhetoric that is surrounding a couple of rocks in the South Pacific to understand the depths that China (the worlds largest and growing economy) will go to when angered. You also forget that we have many agreements in place with these foreign companies and their respective governments and if we all of a sudden decide we are going to give them a one way ticket across the border and hope for no repercussions??? Then of course there is the rest of Canada to worry about...........for those of us with shorter memories there was this little thing called the National Energy Program and it had profound impacts on they economy of Alberta both as a result of the original NEP as well as the boot strap politics in place in Alberta at the time that tried to "moderate" the impact.
Don't get me wrong I am all for more local/regional investment and say in what and how the oilsands (and the rest of Alberta's resources) are managed/developed but I think there is a little more to it than "doing this ourselves"
2. 3.7 billion in royalties from the Oil Sands (not including the rest of Alberta's resource royalties which total ~11 billion), $700 million in municipal and provincial secondary tax revenues directly related to the oil sands, 1 in 12 jobs in Alberta are directly employed by the resource industry, average of 11.5 billion per year invested into the Oil Sands.
3. hmmmm sounds remarkably like Socialism or Marxism to me and there is plenty of world history on how well that works out.
4. Having the resources and the demand for those resources doesn't mean we have the economic capacity (money, labour, expertise, etc) to exploit it. Who is going to run this venture.......elected officials?????
5. Bit of a left turn here and in reality not sure of the point, but to assume that individuals on this site are all driven by the same socio-political motives is narrow minded and near sited. I love my 4x4 and continued access to Alberta's resources to do that is important to me. However, there are many more things that influence both my votes and my political positioning....family, social values, education, healthcare, all rank up above my 4x4.
6. If you think that the number 1 problem of Alberta is its populace then perhaps you should move, of course Albertans (like any other democratic region/state/province/city/country) expect the parties that they elected to know what they want..........they voted for them based on their platform and expect them to act upon what they promised (even though time and time again we are lied to).
7. Sooooo let me get this one straight a provinicial leader that could not even garner the support of his own elective riding who polarized Albertan's like no other election in recent history and who's financially moronic government spent this province back to deficit with no true reform or benefit to any of the things you discussed above not to mention education, health care, social reform etc is not the fault of the leader and his government but the fault of Shell and BP???
Hmmm............
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Theres no reason we cant be doing this ourselves and reaping the full benefits.
Argue all you want but every dollar that goes into oil company owners pockets is money being taken out of canada never to return.
Spoken like someone that has no idea how much capital is required to successfully extract petroleum and bring it to market, how many different factors play into the equation that determines profitablility for a given extractive enterprise, and how many decades of successful production are required to recover the capital expenditure needed to get petroleum to a refinery. All of this is before we even start to look at the effect that the labor market and political climate in Alberta has had on industrial development in the province. There's a reason that the combined capacity of every single active refinery in Alberta is smaller than one of the large refineries in the US.
Given that the ONLY real goal that a polictican has is to get re-elected, I wouldn't trust them to competently and efficiently organize a cirlce jerk in a gay fraternity house, let alone oversee the operation of an energy company. An oil company operated by politicians would stay afloat for about 10 years worth of short-sighted knee-jerk porkbarreling, and then declare bankruptcy.
Hey...here's an idea. If you want to see more of an oil company's profits staying here in Alberta, what better place to put them than in your pocket. Buy some shares.
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Can we please introduce a "Like" button?
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I just want gasoline prices to be below $1.00.
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Can we please introduce a "Like" button?
and who would care? ;D
Frazer please update your status on Facebook that you are replying to a post on the CJA site and you like it. It should make you feel better. ;D
Trev,.. I have free gas for you in my garage (sometime in liquid form). Your Jeep might not like it.
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