Calgary Jeep Association
4x4 Related Groups => General Talk => Topic started by: JackstandJohnny on April 24, 2015, 08:32:32 AM
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i guess i'm feeling ambitios today; or i've had way to much coffee...........
Andy feel free to chime in please.
everyone talks about SSRP; we know that plan is to basically change everything over to Provincial Parks and close down all access everywhere; it is a clear path Prentice and the former PCs have laid out before hand.
now, normally i'm the guy that would do the digging and dredge up this kind of info with calls etc. but i've been to busy at work since the election was called to dig.
so: whats the deal with trail access? what is Wildrose say? what does NDP say? and what is PC going to do wtih regards to SSRP? what about the others?
as an offroad community, we need to address this, see what lies where, and make a voice heard. 'put up or shut up' i guess you could say.
its time to start the discussion, even though its close to the wire.
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Have spoken to prentiss personally over the years on various issues when he was in federal politics. He out right lied to me and voted the other "way". Third paragraph in early parliamentary career. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Prentice
Jim Prentice out right lied.
Now no money has been spent out of the 12 million $ allocated for trail flood damage under the special fund on jeep trail flood damage. Attended the esrd meeting / presentation two months ago on this. They said they are not spending any money on jeep trails until after an announcement is made. They also said as an example they put in a truck bridge and a year later the trail gets closed and now it is wasted money.
Now Jim Prentiss was a federal environment minister.
I firmly believe if he gets voted in we will be losing a substantial amount of trails across Alberta.
Under no conditions will me or my family be voting for Jim prentiss or the party he represents.
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On this issue, there is no party that will be onside with us on trail access. Ndp wanted more closures so the ssrp didn't go far enough. Wildrose criticized the plan but mainly on the premise on private land owner ship. And I'm with Andy on the Prentiss thing. Liberals? This isn't a health care issue so Swann does not have an opinion.
The slopes and trails we love are disappearing unless we want to start a logging or oil gas exploration business... and line the government coffers.
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Prentiss smokes fatties with Trudeau
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Prentiss smokes fatties with Trudeau
That
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I am writing you with regards to a particular issue that is very important to me, and I can assure you, very important to many people living in Calgary, and South/Southwest of the city.
As I’m sure you know, there are many of us who enjoy extracurricular activities in the areas known as ‘the Eastern Slope’ aka Waiparous/Ghost recreational area, McLean Creek FLUZ, and many areas south in the Willow Creek area.
The governing PCs have initiated a ‘plan’ call the SSRP ‘South Saskatchewan Regional Plan’ which directly effects all of us in the OHV community, who have interests in these areas. We are well aware of what the PC plan is in these areas.
My direct question to you is what is the Wildrose stance on this stance? How will those of us who use these areas be effected? Will these OHV trails be closed, or be deemed closed as they are now ‘provincial parks’?
I look forward to a prompt response; we as a united group of responsible OHV users are looking to throw our support behind someone with our interests aligned; please get back to me when you can.
Or conversely, please don’t hesitate to email me or call 403 993 2514.
Kind regards,
John Campacci
;letters sent to opposition. i agree with Kev, none of them give a frack, and i would be AMAZED if i even got a response. i'd love to get it in writing though......
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David Suzuki really likes Jim Prentice. http://www.chilliwacktoday.ca/issues-envirnomentalists-take-note-we-have-to-reach-across/
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David Suzuki really likes Jim Prentice. http://www.chilliwacktoday.ca/issues-envirnomentalists-take-note-we-have-to-reach-across/
Suzuki is about as bent as they get.
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everyone talks about SSRP; we know that plan is to basically change everything over to Provincial Parks and close down all access everywhere; it is a clear path Prentice and the former PCs have laid out before hand.
I've not been on top of the OHV issue politically and your comment on the SSRP caught my attention. I went and looked it up:
https://landuse.alberta.ca/LandUse%20Documents/SSRP%20Final%20Document_2014-07.pdf
Page 205 addresses "Off-highway vehicles", and page 188 is where it starts listing "SSRP Land Uses". From the best I can tell, they aren't planning to shut down all trail access. Areas like McLean Creek (page 193) and Waiparous (page 195) are marked for OHV use as per the outline I noted on page 205.
Basically, I'd appreciate if someone were to clarify the intentions of the SSRP with respect to OHV use. Please correct me if I'm wrong but as far as I can tell by reading the document, it appears as though OHV land use will be largely unchanged.
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There are areas south of calgary around the Coleman area that are high use ohv trail systems that are not designated as a fluz. Quads are a huge portion of the group that use that area but there are some trails that jeeps do use. Many of these trails looped and connected. The ssrp is closing many portions of these trails and putting restrictions on access (whether it be water crossing and bridges) by implementing new or expanded provincial parks.
It's easier to just close it than work with groups like us to maintain and work to keep these trails viable for us and future outdoor enthusiasts.
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And Johnny. . I copied your email and sent it my wr candidate. Waiting for a response
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And a comment on mclean... it's not just ohv there. Trails are being destroyed due to the forestry operation there. And don't hold your breathe on getting more truck trails in waiparous anytime soon...
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still no response from my guys......... edit: got a response, he's working to get an official party stance.
tried to send it directly to Brian Jean but it keeps getting rejected........
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Ssrp plan has the same language as the gamp plan. And we went from 20000 kms of trails we could access to about 300 kms of trails.
Jim prentice is not jeep friendly.
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http://www.edmontonjournal.com/touch/story.html?id=11010532
Here is a write up on Jean from wra. Very out door orientated. Witch is a good thing for us. Has is the past opposed gay marriage which Prentiss supports as outlined in the article.
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response i just got from my guy.
John,
The response I got back from the party is as follows:
“Generally speaking, we will be revisiting the land use plans. The Eastern slopes are something we want to protect, but also something we still want to enjoy.
We know ATV users are for the most part responsible stewards of protected areas, and Wildrose would make sure there is a good balance of users able to use the Eastern slopes.”
I hope that adequately answers your question.
Thanks,
Mark Mantei
Candidate – Calgary Lougheed
WILDROSE PARTY
o. 403.768.0106
e. [email protected]
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I really like wr .. seems more down about outdoor activities.. I believe he will have the less impact against us which is the best we will have..
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“Generally speaking, we will be revisiting the land use plans. The Eastern slopes are something we want to protect, but also something we still want to enjoy.
We know ATV users are for the most part responsible stewards of protected areas, and Wildrose would make sure there is a good balance of users able to use the Eastern slopes.”
And that is a very politically correct answer.... Dodges the bullet but sounds professional....
Damned if you do damned if you dont. They are all the same. The govt might leave us our trails but they will still up taxes on gasoline to get there and enjoy em...
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at least i got an answer from WRA................ the only ones so far.
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Ya for him to answer is right there pretty good. I hate politics cause you get screwed anyways. Just to find who you will get screwed less...
hey up the price of gas and a munitions and all that. Maybe you won't be able to afford it .. but at least there is still a trail to go in if one day u can afford it.
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Hope the wildrose get somewhere.
Fingers crossed.
Do your part everybody.
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Sad part is NDP is WAAAAAAY ahead in the poles.
If they get in we're hooped. :'(
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Wra was supposed to win last time and pc's had the largest majority ever...
The truth is... even if we get an ndp government it Will be a minority and less effective overall. I think we need to expect 4 yrs of something different before we get a solid government again.
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http://www.threehundredeight.com/p/alberta.html
I agree kev. But frack
Maybe after Alberta becomes a communist utopia I will finally justify moving to BC
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NDP is aligned with Castle Crown Coalition. Possible Castle closure.
SSRP is a plan that will balance use and maintain access for all OHV users. Without a plan we have nothing. If anyone tosses that plan out our chance of getting something better is slim.
Tenders are out right now for trail flood repairs and internal forces have been repairing flood damaged trails since mid 2014. Lots of repairs completed in Castle and north of Hwy 3.
Water crossings have been off limits for years (decades) but as bridges are not in place eyes have looked the other way as long as users behaved themselves in the crossings.
Proposed activities like the Crowsnest Crawl will drive the stake in backcountry usage in southern Alberta - somebody needs to clue in and put a stop to the idiots who are responsible for planning that.
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NDP is aligned with Castle Crown Coalition. Possible Castle closure.
SSRP is a plan that will balance use and maintain access for all OHV users. Without a plan we have nothing. If anyone tosses that plan out our chance of getting something better is slim.
Tenders are out right now for trail flood repairs and internal forces have been repairing flood damaged trails since mid 2014. Lots of repairs completed in Castle and north of Hwy 3.
Water crossings have been off limits for years (decades) but as bridges are not in place eyes have looked the other way as long as users behaved themselves in the crossings.
Proposed activities like the Crowsnest Crawl will drive the stake in backcountry usage in southern Alberta - somebody needs to clue in and put a stop to the idiots who are responsible for planning
Okay, now I am confused, what are you saying? Don't vote NDP, that's a given LOL. What does the crowsnest crawl have to do with the election?
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Cuzican is not keen on the exposure that something like the crowsnest crawl will bring to the region and OHV activities. I partially understand his concern but I also feel that if there is not more exposure to our activities then we stand little chance of gaining any support.
Anyway, NDP would be bad news for our back country activity. Not sure there is a lot to their platform that is very appealing in my eyes.
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Cuzican is not keen on the exposure that something like the crowsnest crawl will bring to the region and OHV activities. I partially understand his concern but I also feel that if there is not more exposure to our activities then we stand little chance of gaining any support.
Anyway, NDP would be bad news for our back country activity. Not sure there is a lot to their platform that is very appealing in my eyes.
I am very aware of the negative exposure the Crowsnest Crawl will have. Especially an activity that is advertised with dates before it is even planned or vetted with the authorities responsible for the area. I don't expect it will receive the TFA's - provided they have even been submitted - the bad part is that lack of TFA's and authorization will not prevent the many people who have planned their vacations around the activity from coming anyhow. Significant effort has been put into repairing trails and the potential trail traffic from a proposed Moab style seven day event will have a significant impact on the trails.
If it can't be done properly it shouldn't be done at all - if the planning is not done up front it has started out wrong - I know as Dave Hubert contacted me about some of the issues and wouldn't tell me why he was asking. Only afterwards did I realize what he was putting together. Carefull consideration of the potential repercussions are required at the planning stage.
If it's not clear my feeling is the Crowsnest Crawl has the potential to cause more damage to our sport in Southern Alberta than the SSRP.
I can only hope that the organizers will be held financially responsible to repair any damages that occur based on activities occurring on the proposed dates.
This might not have been the right post for me to bring it up on, but the comments on water crossing and SSRP just got me going on several points. At least I did not get carried away and vent about how fumed off I am that the JK was introduced to the marketplace. If that minivan grocery getter hadn't been developed there'd be fewer of us running around in older jeeps drawing less attention to ourselves and a greater likelihood that we could sustain the existing trail system. Now people don't need to know how to build a jeep anymore they can just use their credit card and right away they think they're ready for the trails.
BTW I'm blue through and through and I don't want Alberta to change one little bit.
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What does the crowsnest crawl have to do with the election?
It advertises an area where all the frickin' yahoos can go and party it up...
I have a vivid memory of Indian Grave after Waiporous was closed "a few" may long ago. It was just a war zone! It took many volunteers and countless hours...weeks to clean it up. It was just out of control and the government closed it not long after. That's what going to happen!
A good fisherman will never talk about his favorite fishing hole.. he will show friends. That's all!
I'm finished
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Wrong topic to rant about Crowsnest crawl. Start another topic if you want to continue with it.
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Well voting has gotten soooo much easier. I "advanced voted" this weekend. Took me a total of 2 minutes to register online. Then on Friday I drove to the poll handed in my reg form, got the little paper wrote my X and stopped the stopwatch (my wife and I had a bet... I won) 7 min including drive time. Total time under 10 mins
Don't ask me what I won, this is a family site. ;););););)
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Wrong topic to rant about Crowsnest crawl. Start another topic if you want to continue with it.
I did say I was finished... what's the point of your post. Flexin?
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Ctv calling an NDP gov...this could be bad news for us.
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Sad day, whole lotta NDP koolaid drinkers out there. Lucky I don't need to stay here, Moab retirement here I come LOL.
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They gone.
Trails gone.
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Anyone want to buy an acreage in CNP that backs onto the new Castle hiking area.
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Yes frigging sad. Who the frack voted them in?
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All of Edmonton, all of Red Deer, all of Lethbridge, and the majority of Calgary.
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Sickening. Let the fairy tales begin..............
Trade corporate corruption for union corruption. Lucky us.
At least with corrupt corporate we all had work.
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well i should make out well with that then. wifes a teacher. at least one of us has a steady job here now........... i'll collet the EI and raise the family while she brings home the bacon!