Calgary Jeep Association
4x4 Related Groups => Tech Talk => Topic started by: Dingleberry on May 14, 2015, 09:07:11 PM
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So, what would Johnny do? Screw that, he'd sell his Jeep and move to SK :P
What would the rest of you choose?
Staun beadlocks, or weld-on rings?
I have 15" steelie D-window rims.
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Weld ons ;)
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I welded on....
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Reasons? advantages and disadvantages?
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because its the cheapest option you limey bastard!!!!!!
duh
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Reasons? advantages and disadvantages?
Price was a factor, My Wheels still have a DOT stamp,..LOL and I could have them made how I wanted.
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Price was a factor, My Wheels still have a DOT stamp,..LOL and I could have them made how I wanted.
Ever have issues with the inner bead? Is that not much of a factor for the wheeling around here, more so for rocks like Moab?
Would love to run iroks at 3psi :D
Jeep is no longer a daily driver, and getting to the point where I tow it out more often than driving it out, so having my wheels slightly out of balance from weld-ons won't be much of a problem.
Definitely leaning towards weld-ons at this point.
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All of the guys that I know who spent money on Stauns now run actual beadlocks. I have no first-hand experience, but I do know a lot of people that were less than thrilled with the Staun experience.
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All of the guys that I know who spent money on Stauns now run actual beadlocks. I have no first-hand experience, but I do know a lot of people that were less than thrilled with the Staun experience.
So True.
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Depending on the rim, some weld ons lose the inners a lot. I did 3 sets back in the day. Two held ok, one constantly lost the inner.
Weld ons are a pretty shitty setup. Of all the beadlock options they are definitely the worst.
There is no self centering of the bead. If the welds dont leak, the tire bead usually does. They are insanely heavy. They have no recess mounting point which makes tightening them up an absolute chore.
Personally I wouldn't recommend running them on anything but a trailer queen.
Swamprat has run the same stauns for almost 10 years. He does ACE, MOAB, and trips to Colorada every year and they have held up so far. He did have trouble getting them set up at first but they have been good since.
The ones Ron set up have been run by a young guy named Simon for three seasons, and he literally wheels his jeep to death. Anyone that spends any time in Mclean has run into Simon and his black rubicon.
The biggest problem with them is getting them set up right. They are usually good after that, unless you let the inner tube run at low pressure. That lets mud into the bead and wears holes in the protective sleeve.
There are new versions of stauns supposedly with improvements over the previous. I'd at least look into them.
Personally, your couldn't give me a set of weld ons to run. But that's just my 2 cents.
Honesty, if you aren't trailoring, the money you save on shitty weld ons would quickly be down the road by doubling or tripling the frequency of unit bearing and ball joint failures.
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Or just get some real beadlocks
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I had a log come into my rim and rip out the staun valve stem. I had to break the bead on the trail, pull out the staun, and I just so happened to have an extra valve stem with me I was able to install. It was odd thing to happen, but I'm not a fan of stauns because of it.
I've run the 32 bolt weld on bead locks and they are a pain to install and swap tires on IMO. If you don't change tires 3 times a year like I do, they wouldn't be so bad.
Now I have trail ready 8 bolt hummer wheels. I'm set.
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Personally I wouldn't recommend running them on anything but a trailer queen.
Honesty, if you aren't trailoring, the money you save on shitty weld ons would quickly be down the road by doubling or tripling the frequency of unit bearing and ball joint failures.
Its a trailer queen. With the next round of upgrades I'm doing, it'll be a permanent trailer queen (as opposed to just a part-time queen).
I have a buddy who's willing to sell me his set of Stauns (unused) because he went with a different rim size.
Seems there's a lot of support for weld-ons, but no-one really gave much technical information as to why (I DID post this in the "Tech Talk" section, didn't I? ;D )
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Cause the people recommending them don't have any technical input to add other than "they are cheap".
Technically, weld ons are the junk of all junk in the world of bead locks. They rank right up there with screwing self tappers through the rim into the bead.
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Cause the people recommending them don't have any technical input to add other than "they are cheap".
Technically, weld ons are the junk of all junk in the world of bead locks. They rank right up there with screwing self tappers through the rim into the bead.
So, I'll give the staun's a shot ;)
Might even give the install job to Eric at Broken Axle, I know how much he'd love that ;D
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Honestly I think both have their benefits, drawbacks and limitations, I have run both and would run either again. The only reason my Stauns are in the basement right now is I was holding out for a 2nd hand set of 15x10 DCII's which will probably never happen... I would offer mine to you (new coyote fillers thingies and tubes) but sounds like you're set up. My experience with the Stauns other than testing them out a few times was limited, that said I read alot! when deciding which way to go. Both options work a helluva alot better than nothing.
My external beadlocks are quite a bit lighter than 90% of the u-build kits out there. They are a self centering type if you put them togther right, (Sorry Bnine if I am getting what defines them as self centering wrong ???) (but the square edged beadseats are a bitch but they do force the tire to be properly centered). They are not as strong as most of the rockcrawler intended types, I ran them on a couple different jeeps and other than the occaisional broken bolt I haven't had any problems (keeping in mind I have small HP motors (2.5 and a 4.0) and never ran bigger than 35's on them and I drive conservatively. They run less bolts (only 16) and the outers are made out of alloy, they are profile shaped, not flat and for the jeep you need 1/2 inch thickness, not the thinner 1/4" and have recessed countersinking for the hex heads, the weld on inner ring are fairly low profile as well. They are purpose manufactured for sprint car racing and you can get them from Bicknell Racing Products which I see now has a Canadian on-line store. mine are on a standard steel 8" D-window (not the two-piece rims they sell). Only complaint is the nice red anodizing faded to an ugly barbie pink colour over time, I had them painted black on my YJ for the last year but am repainting them red again. I also re-seal the welds with clear silicone whenever they are apart, couldn't tell you if they would leak if I didn't, probably would though. well that is my attempt at describing them technically LOL - some profile diagrams would really help but whatever you get the idea
The backside of the outers
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h38/pipestoneflyguy/BRP%20backside_zpsz9oxqncz.jpg)
faded, beaten and scraped up but still working great
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h38/pipestoneflyguy/brp%20front_zpsxpnji3og.jpg)
Just assembled this one last night
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h38/pipestoneflyguy/BRP%20complete_zpsyqu6rcpe.jpg)
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Just as a point of curiousity - I talked to a guy from Coyote on Pirate last year that said at least one of the hammers teams was running both external beadlocks and Staun II's/Coyotes this year (won't work with 1st gen stauns tho)
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Lighter duty than the big 32 bolt ones most off roaders use, but those look to be a lot better quality than 2 quarter inch pieces of plate with 32 holes drilled into them.
Does the inner ring you weld to the rim have a lip on it that causes the bead to center?
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Yep here is a very poor diagram - the outer ring is also concave, gives you the impression it is bent but it is by design
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h38/pipestoneflyguy/BRC%20diagram_zpsdxu2n9vs.jpg)
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Yeah, considerably different than flat rings.
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Wwjd? What would Johnny do?
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Wwjd? What would Johnny do?
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He'd use JB weld, duct tape, tractor inner tubes he bought off of Kijiji, and 9 wire.
Do you really gotta ask?
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If any one could make that work you know it's me;)
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It wasn't a question.
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