Calgary Jeep Association
Off Highway Staging Area => Open Trail Rides => Topic started by: slanktapper on January 26, 2022, 12:56:26 PM
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Last year this was probably the most fun jeep trip I was on. Beautiful conditions, beautiful scenery, and probably the most fun part was the ability to do some really technical recoveries (Fedor's pick, and lower from the side of the hill, among others)
Some pics and a vid: https://photos.app.goo.gl/iaJJSWNwCZtC5pWU6
We'll meet at the Shell in Sundre at 930, and proceed to Limestone no later than 10am. (Reference the directions link below for the Shell location if you don't know)
Staging here https://goo.gl/maps/uL8EYBKKotquNmWHA at 11am-ish (Route https://goo.gl/maps/CXyKsXSeVZh9pix98)
I'm thinking we'll do the same logging road in and then determine if we want to take cut lines out or not.
Minor fact you may want to know is that I'll be on my quad and not in my Jeep (Cause I sold it and bought a JetBoat Hull)
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I’m in, should be good times!
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I’m in… barring anything catastrophic occurring beforehand. 8)
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I am gonna try to make it. My boys are wanting to some to. Watching that video I have decided to get some chains. Wondering on your guys opinion: do I get chains for all 4 tires? Would chains on just the front help not slide down a big hills? Is it better to have them on the rear so you don%u2019t slide backwards down a hill your trying to get up?
Also, is there a good map of that area?
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I am gonna try to make it. My boys are wanting to some to. Watching that video I have decided to get some chains. Wondering on your guys opinion: do I get chains for all 4 tires? Would chains on just the front help not slide down a big hills? Is it better to have them on the rear so you don%u2019t slide backwards down a hill your trying to get up?
Also, is there a good map of that area?
Before I got beadlocks I used chains on the rear, as a MOF everybody I wheeled with used them on the rear only. Putting them on the front and trying to turn would put alot of stress on the chain tensioners causing them to ????. Used to have a set of bling, bling cable chains that would have worked great on the front just never thought to put them there.
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I am gonna try to make it. My boys are wanting to some to. Watching that video I have decided to get some chains. Wondering on your guys opinion: do I get chains for all 4 tires? Would chains on just the front help not slide down a big hills? Is it better to have them on the rear so you don%u2019t slide backwards down a hill your trying to get up?
Also, is there a good map of that area?
Actually if I recall correctly that YJ in the video had chains on the rear…
I bought a pair and have used them on the rear a couple of times. Got them from Titansupply.ca
They’re the V-bar style with the cam side chain. Super quick to tighten up.
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Is there a good map of the area? Not really, google is pretty good. https://www.google.ca/maps/@51.8225774,-115.4194669,9311m/data=!3m1!1e3 we're basically starting at the staging area and running west southwest towards the Evangeline Peak Here's a rough sketch of this trail. (https://i.imgur.com/fxwIi6Q.png) The Red solid is the hopeful trail we'll follow. If the weather is nice and the hills aren't bad we'll take the dashed cutline out. All of that said Only 1 guy needs chains last year and that was to save time/gas on breaking trail through the snow. There's probably also my tracks for the limestone area in the members area somewhere
My 2 cents on chains:
I hate mounting/adjusting chains but their ice performance is undeniable.
You can use chains to help by providing traction with ice, deep snow, and mud. Rocks and chains don't mix. That's a recipe for a bad time.
I would absolutely not run chains on a Dana30 front axle.
I had a full set of fronts and rears for my TJ before I went to 35s and I never ran them in all 4 corners. Only the rears.
Like I said at the start I hate chains, I hate chaining up, I hate adjusting them, I hate having to stop every 5m to make sure they're not going to rip a brake line off but I always carried my chains in the Jeep.
Here's a video of a JK running front tire only chains in some deep snow https://streamable.com/h5o2b
Here's a video of 2 vehicles one with no chains one with chains on all 4 corners: https://streamable.com/c41ybx
Here's that same fully chained up WK unable to get himself out of the predicament that he got himself into: https://streamable.com/y37jyb
Here's Eric realizing that his Falken tires were Falken Terrible on ice: https://streamable.com/un8a8
TJ with chains at the Lookout: https://i.imgur.com/2hyezFV.png
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Here's a video of a JK running front tire only chains in some deep snow https://streamable.com/h5o2b (https://streamable.com/h5o2b)
Here's a video of 2 vehicles one with no chains one with chains on all 4 corners: https://streamable.com/c41ybx (https://streamable.com/c41ybx)
Here's that same fully chained up WK unable to get himself out of the predicament that he got himself into: https://streamable.com/y37jyb (https://streamable.com/y37jyb)
Here's Eric realizing that his Falken tires were Falken Terrible on ice: https://streamable.com/un8a8 (https://streamable.com/un8a8)
TJ with chains at the Lookout: https://i.imgur.com/2hyezFV.png (https://i.imgur.com/2hyezFV.png)
Now that’s funny 8) That trail with Raf & Dave is the one that ate part of my fender & gutted my Costco winch that day… I miss that trail. :(
Rob I was fully expecting to see the YouTube video that you took of me heading up lost knife… My first two run attempts were without chains and the third run on the video was when I borrowed a set of chains from Dave and put them on the rear.
https://youtu.be/NfVgXtQl_74 (https://youtu.be/NfVgXtQl_74)
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Thanks for the map and description.
And the videos, that’s good stuff. Here is my observations:
Using speed and momentum in the winter is even sketchier then in the summer.
Chains on all 4 tires just allows you to get more stuck. Chains on the back seems like the way to go.
Didn’t consider my stock Dana 30. From the research I did it seems like it’s not bad for “normal” 4x4ing. However, chains and potentially meeting a rock is not normal conditions.
Thanks again and looking forward to the trip.
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Oh Matt Brilliant! I forgot about that day, damn! That was sketchy! Can't believe I forgot how far you slide in reverse.
> Using speed and momentum in the winter is even sketchier then in the summer.
True unless it's a deep snow situation then you need speed. That's what makes winter wheeling fun!
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Most of the time, if you need chains you're going to be going uphill so putting them in the back makes the most sense as that's where most of your weight and traction is going to be. Putting them in the back also minimizes damage if they become loose. We've done tests, JKU had chains in the front and couldn't make it up the switchbacks to lost knife, all of us had them in the back or all 4s, he changed them to the back and had no problems.
That said. I'm in for the trip :)
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Was out there yesterday. The trails don't have much snow and the skeg is well frozen. I broke trail for most of the day, there was a crust of about 3-4 inches that made breaking trail a little harder but it's much better than having bumper deep snow. We were able to get to about 1/2 way to Evangeline on the cutline until a big drift high-centered the leading jeep. Did a mix of trails after turning around. Exited at Pineedle and 40. Around 6 1/2 hours on trails. It's gonna be a good year for early access.
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Was out there yesterday. The trails don't have much snow and the skeg is well frozen.
Oh nice we had a ~foot of snow up here near Rocky.
Wet heavy snow, the kind of snow that turns hard as soon as you touch it, the kind of snow that rips the plow right off through mounts on your quad leaving you to have to use shovels...
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Oh nice we had a ~foot of snow up here near Rocky.
Wet heavy snow, the kind of snow that turns hard as soon as you touch it, the kind of snow that rips the plow right off through mounts on your quad leaving you to have to use shovels...
lol ouch.
I think there's about a foot of snow there now too.
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Was out there again last weekend, the trail to the bottom of Evangeline lookout is doable, some deep snow sections. We took the creek in like last year, way less ice, but we'll see how much melt there is by Easter. Had a v8 on 42s breaking trail on many sections but they went on top of the snow and I ended up breaking through to solid ground. There's way less snow than in Rocky or Red Deer, maybe only 3 more inches from the weeke before.
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Thanks for the update Fedor! 8)
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Anyone want to camp out there that Saturday night?
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Anyone want to camp out there that Saturday night?
I'd probably be up for that, and hitting more trails Sunday if anyone else is up for it.
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I'm not going to camp, but I'll bring my BBQ, propane tank, and cooler if others want to bring food to eat after the ride.
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Had a little scouting run this weekend, Still a ton of snow in areas but we'll be fine.
If you have chains of course bring em but I doubt we'll need em.
Should be a great ride.
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Sounds like it’s going to be a great day!
So still just the five of us making the trip… no other takers?
Thanks for the reminder. I haven’t tried fitting the chains on the Rubi yet…
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Sounds like it’s going to be a great day!
So still just the five of us making the trip… no other takers?
Thanks for the reminder. I haven’t tried fitting the chains on the Rubi yet…
There might be someone from Red Deer but won't know until closer to this weekend, it's an open invitation. We had a few of them scouting with us Saturday.
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For those that don't have it I have uploaded the limestone trails here:
https://forum.calgaryjeep.com/index.php?topic=32586.0
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For those who are interested in driving down to Sundre together.
Meet at 8:00 at the Timmies by Airdrie Chrysler.
185 East Lake Crescent NE, Airdrie, AB T4A 2H7
https://goo.gl/maps/gRuGbTLbCZc7bUej6
We roll at 8:20.
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Are old worn out ex members allowed ?
Not sure how many that I knew are still around (except that Vinman Guy :P)
Im going to try and come with the boy perfect run close to home
Steve
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Are old worn out ex members allowed ?
Not sure how many that I knew are still around (except that Vinman Guy :P)
Im going to try and come with the boy perfect run close to home
Steve
Holy Shitbang Batman! Where the hell have you been for the last decade and a half?
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For those who are interested in driving down to Sundre together.
Meet at 8:00 at the Timmies by Airdrie Chrysler.
185 East Lake Crescent NE, Airdrie, AB T4A 2H7
https://goo.gl/maps/gRuGbTLbCZc7bUej6
I’ll see ya there, are you camping Saturday night? I’m going to bring all my stuff and plan to stay out there.
We roll at 8:20.
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Are old worn out ex members allowed ?
Not sure how many that I knew are still around (except that Vinman Guy :P)
Im going to try and come with the boy perfect run close to home
Steve
I think so, should be a fun day out there!
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Holy Shitbang Batman! Where the hell have you been for the last decade and a half?
Fixing the Jeep lol
Im now running Billy's old motor.... should make me a better right?
Hows it going Vince
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Yes, I'll be camping with ya man :)
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Great day! Tons of snow still in some places. We crossed like 5 frozen skag fields and saw some trails we've never seen.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/accMhTxkbPaDbio78
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Added a few pics to Robs link…
We had a great day at limestone. A little bit of trail rash and I tested the structural integrity of my passenger side front fender but other than that made it back to air up with little or no issues. The Jeep performed really well.
Aaand then I left to come home… Quarter-mile down the gravel road heading out and I lost my four-wheel-drive, ABS brakes, stability control & cruise control.
I am so happy I bought the extended warranty 🤪
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Thanks for setting that up, what and epic fun weekend.
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It was great meeting you all
Thanks for a great day out
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I've added some pictures to Robs album. Same ones on facebook.
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Always nice to see those great photos Fedor!
I'll have to figure out when it would be a good time to do another jeep ride this summer!
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Agreed; there’s some nice shots there Fedor! 8)
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Wow!! Looks like it was a good one.
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Wow!! Looks like it was a good one.
Definitely a good time, too bad you couldn't make it! I'm sure I sound like a broken record but wheeling in the limestone area is always exceptional.
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Wow!! Looks like it was a good one.
We’re ya down at EJS Ron?