Calgary Jeep Association
General Forums => Chit-Chat => Topic started by: JPKIDD on January 29, 2007, 01:57:15 PM
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Carma has plans to build a condo project just south of Sobie’s in McKenzie. Now the issue is that the land has been zoned for a maximum four story building, Carma wants to re-zone the land for a 17 story building. There is a meeting regarding this tonight at 7:00pm at the McKenzie Town Church. (White church on the traffic circle) If you don’t want added traffic and lower property value please come to this meeting.
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Too bad I was working..I would have gone.
I hope that it doesn't go thru...
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i went to the meeting, i live in copperfield.......ohhh boy... people are fumed..... so much for small town feeling if this goes thru :x
the area just south of the skating rink across from the mosaics in mac. towne could hold up to 1100 units( condos ) on the 7 acres proposed if the change, rm-7, goes thru.... an increase by 500 units under the current zoning, rm-5. nothing like possibly having towers 17 stories high in our nice small town settings
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Yup its all about da cash for Carma, cram them in tight the more units they can sell.
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This city needs more apartments. At some point the sprawl needs to slow down.
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urban sprawl is a big issue in this city. we simply can't keep expanding and expanding. This city needs to build up, not out.
Sure it's easy for me to say because I don't live there... but seriously... an apartment building has got a community ready for a lynching?
It's kinda like the weasel head highway in oakridge... the community is furious about the idea... but they are also furious with traffic of 14th street S. Just doesn't make sense.
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the problem with going up 17 stories over 4 stories is the shadow that it casts.... for me i will probably lose the evening sun that i get in the backyard during the summer :cry: that is among other things :?
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Catch 22 here; I live in Braeside and if they extend Southland to join the future ring road there will be alot more traffic near my home (damn it, not in my backyard!), but I will appreciate being able to get to Sarcee Tr. quicker than bogging down on 14 St. Heading West is the playground. I think they should only connect 90th Ave. to the ring road and leave Southland Dr. as is :D Is my Alderman reading this? I agree, this urban sprawl is not the direction Calgary should go. We are following the American model of urban sprawl and look at the problems they have.
Let's talk gobal warming and urban sprawl, the sprawl only encourages more vehicle use which further warms the planet. Can we do anything to slow, stop global warming, or is it too late now? Even if we cut emissions now, the trend will be continued warming for some time. Can we ignore the warming trend, can we not ignore it for the sake of our kids and future generations? Can we afford the cost of cutting emissions which could be substantial.
We as off-roaders are not helping; we often are alone in our Jeeps when wheelin' and our rigs are gas guzzlers. I'm as guilty as the next wheeler' and I do enjoy off-roading/driving the Heep :twisted:
More stirring of the pot and devil's advocacy from the near stock advocate. Lets hear your opinions :shock: :twisted: :roll:
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Property values are out of control here, affordable housing is needed, MacKenzie seems like a weird place to build a complex like this though, wouldn't it make more sense to build apartment buildings like this near the mass transit routes, downtown, along the LRT tracks etc.
I don't have a problem with urban sprawl,I like Calgary's open layout with green spaces all over the place weather it be a park or a golf course. Builders build what people want and in Calgary the vast majority want to live in single occupancy homes not in apartment buildings.
Global warming. I think the jury is still out on that one,30 years ago everyone was panicing about global cooling.
But less pollution has got to be a good thing, no matter the reasoning behind it.
This the real solution to the major source odf pollutution on ths planet.
http://www.patentlysilly.com/patent.php?patID=6982161
We just have to figure out how to make it fit Al :wink:
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Tom, no worries, your kids will be long dead and gone before Global warming gets them. Nuclear wars will make sure of that!
North Korea
Iran
Syria
The list will get bigger in time. Nuclear weapons will be seen(or hidden) in many countries in the next 50 years. The USA will not be able to do anything to stop it.
Tom :cry:
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Tom, no worries, your kids will be long dead and gone before Global warming gets them. Nuclear wars will make sure of that!
North Korea
Iran
Syria
The list will get bigger in time. Nuclear weapons will be seen(or hidden) in many countries in the next 50 years. The USA will not be able to do anything to stop it.
Tom :cry:
Bingo! you got it Tom.
Iran will probably have nukes operational before the end of 2007,The first thing they will do is start tossing nukes at Isreal. Therefore in the next few months Israel has no choice but to make a pre-emptive strike against Iran. The Israeli's have the 4th strongest military on the planet, and are friendly with the US, who will drop in some peacekeepers to help them out and all hell is going to bust out in the middle east.
So I am going to drive my gas guzzling TJ as much as I can, because pretty soon I won't be able to afford gas.
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unfortunately 52 st in Mackenzine towne is actually a lrt right of way that isn't really scheduled to be completed for another 20years ( that out of an aldermans mouth ).... so they build these proposed 1120 units if the land use change goes through, in the next 5 years... tell me how a possible 4000+ people are going to get in and out of the area ....hmmmm..... that just seems to add to the congestion issue... people and auto wise.....
anyhow... that is just my two pennies..... :roll:
i personally don't want the rezoning to happen cause as TJ54 said.... "MacKenzie seems like a weird place to build a complex like this"
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Carma has plans to build a condo project just south of Sobie’s in McKenzie. Now the issue is that the land has been zoned for a maximum four story building, Carma wants to re-zone the land for a 17 story building. There is a meeting regarding this tonight at 7:00pm at the McKenzie Town Church. (White church on the traffic circle) If you don’t want added traffic and lower property value please come to this meeting.
JPKIDD, they should actually meet half way in between the 4 storey and the 17 storey and make it into a half way house. :lol: After all they need a place to go too and I think Mackenzie would be a great place for them. Gets them away from the down town core..
Asia, pots been stirred and over cooked. Global warming is just that.....we're still actually coming out of the ice age so its not people contributing to global warming at all it's just a matter of continuing on with the cycle of the earth. Besides why save anything for our kids and thier kids, you really think they appreciate anything these days. Just have to look at todays society to answer that one for yourself.
Anyway time to get back to my gas powered computer.
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Good one yellow belied "gas powered Computer" Best laugh I have had all week.
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i hate the sprawl here. havent we learned anything from ....say LA and its sprawl. how about the density of New York. they have 10 times the population as us, but the same foot print.
i think of calgary as one big parking lot. its really a small town if you have seen BIG cities around the world. how ever if you are a proud Albertan, this is the big time right here in this BIG city.
i think the problem here is developers and city planners, just use some more farm land. we have lots..... with such little density. it would be hard to have busses and trains to support the system.
hey what if they build the condo, and a few others and build a train station right away. wouldnt that get rid of a lot of congestion. well i doubt it, lets spend another b i l l i o n dollars this year on roads. wouldnt that be cool if they were all dirt trails. wheel to work!
personally i cant wait to move out of this hic town parking lot.
enough rambling ive gotta go catch a bus now !
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But less pollution has got to be a good thing, no matter the reasoning behind it.
Quoted for truth!
Tom, you really do love to stir the pot eh? Taking no sides on an issue that I feel isn't as black & white as some suggest the thing that bothers me the most about "global warming" is that seems near impossible to find any real science on the issue that isn't full of personal ideals and political agendas. I've got access to thousands of scholarly journals through school and even then I have an incredibly hard time finding non biased "peer reviewed" articles.
You've got people like Gore that spews nothing more propghanda and blatant lies and then you've got the articles to dispute it. You've got people like "Dr." Timothy Ball who through around fake credidentials to bring validity to their lies and then the articles that dispute them. Those that preach about global warming seem to have their own agenda's and those that listen seem to willingly buy into the side they "believe" in and ignore the facts from the other side. I actually had a friend tell me, when we were discussing Gore's Docu-drama, that "Bush lies lies all the time" not his exact words but I couldn't believe he had no problem with Gore presenting false information but when it came to Bush he imposed a double standard and that his lying would not be tolerated. So if a politician (cause that's all the global warming supporters/deniers are in my mind) lies it's OK if you agree with them and not if you don't???
If we're talking about docu-dramas I found it interesting that another docu-drama, Bowling for Columbine, discusses american's fixation with fear when it comes to the media. The entire "global warming" debate seems to be fought with fear. Fear of us all dying, fear of economic downfall, fear fear fear. Last week after the IPCC released its' recent "findings" that the sea level is expected to raise 7-23 inches by 2100 as a result of warming CNN had a report about the San Francisco airport. It said that if the sea level does increase that much that the entire air port and half of the bay area would flood. First of all, if they were stupid enough to build an airport 7 inches above sea level I feel the deserve to have it flooded. Second, the media seems to overlook the fact that the airport is 13ft. above sea level and the lowest runway is 5 1/2ft. with most being 10-13ft up. You can do the math... This is nothing more than the media using fear to sell a side to the story.
OK, rant over, back on topic...if anyone wants to debate "global warming" while taking no sides I'd love to go grab a beer and learn/educate.
The thing with affordable housing is that it needs to be affordable...clever eh? As a result I'm of the opinion that you can't easily put affordable housing wherever you see fit. It would be great to have it located by public transportation and I'm sure they are planning around the CTrain expansion but putting affordable housing in the form of Condo's simply doesn't work, in a city like calgary, near the downtown core. If I were a developer that land is too valuable to try and sell as affordable homes instead of executive condo's that would net big returns.
There are pros and cons to urban sprawl but honestly I'm a fan. Like Ian said the citizens of Calgary like living in single dwelling homes. One of the things I like about Calgary and it's build out not up mentality's is the fact that you can live in a HOME close to downtown. Areas like Sunnyside and Hillhurst give those that value location the option of living close to downtown while still retaining a yard and they pay dearly for it through incredibly expensive land. At the same time some people don't mind the commute and much prefer owning a large new home with lots of green space and man made lakes. I would hate to be faced with the decision when buying a house to decide between a yard/garage and walking to work. The traffic is also not near as bad as it could be with a much more dense population.
At the same time the sprawl makes it very difficult to have an effective public transportation system, something we are really lacking. However, that issue is as much a municipal government issue as it is an urban sprawl issue.
No time to edit, bear with me.
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At the same time some people don't mind the commute and much prefer owning a large new home with lots of green space and man made lakes.
Thats why road rage is becoming an issue in calgary. :wink:
These cake and eat it to people that smile at you and say, "no, its ok, I dont mind the 20 minute drive from downtown to tuscany" are pretty much full of bleep bleep
You see examples of this mentaility all the time in the right here in the jeep hobby.
Guys make hasty purchases on rigs or mods, find out they are below par but still back those products or push them like they are the greatest thing since sliced bread.
What do you expect them to say when they spent several hundred of their hard earned dollars?
What do you expect the person that spent 400$ on house, only to spend 2 hours a day commuting to work? Of course they smile and say, "oh its not bad at all" :roll: :roll: :roll:
I here that everyday around my office.
Ask the same people to reminisce about traffic in this city 10 years ago, provided they were here. Suddenly they have ten examples of how fast they used to get around. Keep them going and they will start to rant about todays traffic.
Really get them going and the stories about hour and a half bus rides because of crowchild backups start to come out.
People are willing to pay over 500$ month to park their car downtown in this city. Reputed as some of the highest parking cost in north america.
Are they doing that because they like their commute, or have half decent transit? Absolutely not. They do it because they hate their commute and will pay rediculas amounts of money to try and make it better.
Again, the same people that smile and say "oh no, I dont mind the 20 minute commute from tuscany".
Anyways, point being, most of those people are full of it and just saving face when saying that.
This city was never set up for a million plus people. That combined with spreading that million plus people over an area of about 2500 square km's with a terrible transit system and outdated road infastructure just leads to more problems.
There is no other way to fix except to start making changes now, and limiting the sprawl.
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The reason I moved to MacKenzie Town is to live in an area that is away from downtown so I don't have to listen to the sound of constant traffic and sirens that you hear when you are downtown. Right now it is a nice community where you can get away from the stress of the city.
IMO if you allow such a big building in this area it will just create a bunch of traffic and noise and the insanity of the city which is exactly what I was trying to get away from. Just imagine that many more vehicles going through the traffic circle at 7am.
Personally that building gets built I will be moving out of the area.
my 2cents.