Calgary Jeep Association
4x4 Related Groups => General Talk => Topic started by: murdajeep on January 29, 2007, 09:25:31 PM
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I have been doing some research for tires for my jeep when I get my 4.5" Lift and I have narrowed it down to Dick Cepek FC-II, BFG All-terrains, and BFG Mud-terrains.
My buddy is running 33's Dick Cepeks and he loves them but they are very expensive and the BFG's seem the exact same thing to me but cheaper. Now what I really want to ask is what tire out of those three I should go with.
I use my jeep for camping, and to go out to have fun. I am not really into
hard core rock climbing, and mud bogging (other then puddle hooping) but I still want a tire that will get me through a situation when the mud is deep and I need the grip. The only worry for me is the wear on the Mud Terrains and the grip in the city during winter ice. But on the the other hand the all-terrains not having anough grip to get me home if I get In deep.
I know the best option would be to go with a set of each but I am a student so 1 set is stretching it.
Thx
Dave
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A/Ts no good in mud period. They just get cloged up when you start spinning.
Went throught that decision with my last vehicle. Got mud tires and so glad i did.
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You could also look at Interco's TrXus M/Ts, work well in mud, rocks, dirt, and snow and reasonably priced. Nothing works on ice except an ice/snow tire (soft ice compound with lots of sipes).
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i had the same conserns for me jeep when i changed my tires, i went with the BFG Mud's and i love the. they work great in the fresh snow and deep powder this winter. and the few runs that i made this past summer went with out problems. I am currently running 31's with no lift and was able to keep up with the big boys :D .
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You could also look at Interco's TrXus M/Ts, work well in mud, rocks, dirt, and snow and reasonably priced. Nothing works on ice except an ice/snow tire (soft ice compound with lots of sipes).
I went to 31" Trxus M/T's with a cheap lift in November. There's no going back. I don't even notice a sound difference on the highway. The stock GS/A's were drag slicks in comparison. Everyone I talked to recommended the Trxus. I can see why. Incredible tire.
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Get the BFG MTs and have them siped. As soon as you want to be able to get through mud you need a mud tire. By having them siped will greatly improve your on street wear, increase traction on ice and they are suppose to reduce road hum. I run siped MTRs in the winter and I have better traction that when I had ATs on my Jeep
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You could also look at Interco's TrXus M/Ts, work well in mud, rocks, dirt, and snow and reasonably priced. Nothing works on ice except an ice/snow tire (soft ice compound with lots of sipes).
I went to 31" Trxus M/T's with a cheap lift in November. There's no going back. I don't even notice a sound difference on the highway. The stock GS/A's were drag slicks in comparison. Everyone I talked to recommended the Trxus. I can see why. Incredible tire.
I run the trxus for off roading and part of the winter but have street tires for HWY driving in the hot weather. The same soft compound that makes the trxus good in the winter makes it wear quickly with summer driving on pavement. It depends on how many miles you drive it. I totally recommend it for off road.
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Get the BFG MTs and have them siped. As soon as you want to be able to get through mud you need a mud tire. By having them siped will greatly improve your on street wear, increase traction on ice and they are suppose to reduce road hum. I run siped MTRs in the winter and I have better traction that when I had ATs on my Jeep
what is siped, where can I get it done and for how much. From the results that people have given me here I think I will be going Mud-terrain..
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Siping are the cuts in the tires that give you traction on ice by increasing the number of gripping edges, same technology used on winter tires. I had mine done at the Goodyear Truck Center for like $25/tire but they only do goodyears I beleive. Talk to Modern or National and they should be able to point you in the right direction
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I personally would avoid the BFG MT's as they have a tendancy to collect mud/sticks/rocks/ice between their "rim protector" and the rim and give you a slow leak. They also tear sidewalls easily if wheeled. I've been running a set for 4 years or so and I can't wait to replace them. My fronts are nearly finished and the backs are pretty much new since I've had to replace them due to sidewall cuts. My next tires will likely be the TRXUS MT's if I'm going to keep wheeling this truck or else the BFG AT's. Just my opinion though. ....Steve
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You could also look at Interco's TrXus M/Ts, work well in mud, rocks, dirt, and snow and reasonably priced. Nothing works on ice except an ice/snow tire (soft ice compound with lots of sipes).
I went to 31" Trxus M/T's with a cheap lift in November. There's no going back. I don't even notice a sound difference on the highway. The stock GS/A's were drag slicks in comparison. Everyone I talked to recommended the Trxus. I can see why. Incredible tire.
I run the trxus for off roading and part of the winter but have street tires for HWY driving in the hot weather. The same soft compound that makes the trxus good in the winter makes it wear quickly with summer driving on pavement. It depends on how many miles you drive it. I totally recommend it for off road.
Thanks for the comments. I'm learning as I go. I still have my virtually new GS/A's on the stock Ecco wheels I've been unable to sell. I was putting only about 6,000 km a year on my last vehicle until I got the Jeep. I've doubled that because I just want to get out and go - anywhere - for no reason. It's just a ticket to adventure. I'm otherwise some 90 seconds from my office and usually walk or bicycle in the summer months. I hadn't thought about cycling the Trxus M/T's on their new black steels in and out of service with the GS/A's on the stock alloys or how practical it would be, or how many times I'd be doing it.
Dumb azz question: what's a suitable tire pressure for a daily driver in city commuting use or highway travels to Edmonton or Calgary? Is there a realistic balance between ride and fuel economy when I won't be off pavement with these 31" Trxus M/T's possibly for weeks at a time? I really appreciate the advice. I'm finding my way and I expect advice will determine the next steps taken into the black hole of financial drain.
Duane
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what about pro comp x-terrains and their mud terrains I hear they are not bad tires
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I've run a number of tires in the last 12 years...haven't run them all, but a few.
Yokohama Mud Diggers:
- ran in a 33x12.5x15 on an 82 Toyota LWB
no longer in production (replaced by the Geolander MT's). Fantastic tire, tonnes of tread, and an abnormally strong sidewall for a radial. Bought these in 95, and they still serve on a Samurai trail rig, out of Nanaimo BC to my knowledge.
Big O XT's:
- ran in a 33x12.5x15 on an 82 Toyota LWB
$$, but worth it for the warranty IMO.
http://www.island4x4.com/4x4tech/tires/bigoxt/bigoxt.html for a review I did on them in '99.
Loudest tire I've ever owned (more than a TSL by a long shot); sounded like a float plane cruising over the highway.
Interco Super Swamper TSL Radial
- ran in a 33x12.5x15 on an 82 Toyota LWB
decent aggressive all round off road tire. If I was going in a straight line, up or down, they were unstopable. Introduce a not so straight (read off camber), and the tire was unpredictable. "Swamper Slide" was what we called it on the 'Island. This made me generally unhappy with the tire...how often do you go up or down something that's not off camber in some way?? :wink:
Goodyear MT/R's:
- ran in a 31x10.5x15 on a 97 TJ 4 cyl
great tire, in this size. We ran at 11psi on the trail, and 29 on the street. Tire conformed well to terrain. Was on a daily driver, 5+ years of use.
Friends with YJs and 33" or 35" = not so impressed. The vehicles (both 6 cyl's) didn't seem to have enough weight to have enough contact pressure until the tire was down at 8psi or less...not really something I'd do in a radial unless I was in deep snow.
Interco TRXUS MT:
- running in a 33x12.5x15 on a 97 TJ 4 cyl
very happy with this tire. We've run this on the street for just under 18,000K, and we still have 75% tread. This included a trip to Kelowna 2 summers ago. Great in the snow on the street, great on rocks, quiet on the highway. I will buy these again!
BFG AT:
- running in a 30x9.5x15 on a 94 XJ
this tire came on the XJ I bought in Oct. Nope, wouldn't go out and buy these on purpose. I get better traction in snow/ice in the TRXUS, and previously in the MT/R. In all fairness, I've never run any tire in this size....this may make all the difference if I was comparing this tire in a 31.
Road noise is more noticable than the TRXUS
That's me, from my past experiences, FWIW.
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I have heard a lot of good things about these Interco Trxus and I have had a few comments to stay away from the bfg's..so I will do that. Anyone ran Mickey Thompsons MTZ's?
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everything I've heard about procomp's line is that hey are not good for our climate.
Interco TrXus are okay as a dual purpose.
For your application I would suggest the BFG AT's. Mickey Thompson's and Dick Cepecks are overprices IMHO.
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I have heard a lot of good things about these Interco Trxus and I have had a few comments to stay away from the bfg's..so I will do that. Anyone ran Mickey Thompsons MTZ's?
You will hear opinions all over the board. I have seen lots of guys run BFGs with no problems.
Stay away from the X-Terrains, as Apex said not good for the climate
Basically, you really need to decide what is more important in tire performance. On roading handling or off road ability. Then it will be easier to decide. If you go with a mud terrain, you have to realize that it is a mud terrain and you have to learn to drive accordingly in the winter. Just like a lifted Jeep is not a sports car, even though I wish sometimes it was.
RedApe, as far as tire pressure goes, it really depends on the tire. I typically run 28-32 psi in my 31s and 33s on the road. I probably could go a little less with my 33s like 25 psi for more even wear
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ya I was looking at some tires today and I realized I am not going with the pro comps. Which is good for what everyone has told me on here. I believe I am going to go with a mud-terrain and buy new rims for it and keep my 31's laying around for winter or long periods of time on the pavment, and then buy a set of All-terrains when I get more cash. Thank you all for your opinions :lol:
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there are quite a few options available for an all terrain tire that are reasonably priced and mud terrains for that matter too. PM me and I can get you some prices no both. Cooper makes a great all terrain that is more aggressive than the BFG AT there are also some off shore tires available that can compete with the BFG now too.
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k thx
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everything I've heard about procomp's line is that hey are not good for our climate.
calgary/edmonton climate?
I am in the deciding stage of which new tire to purchase come spring. One of the tires which I might pissibly go with is the procomp xterran
why is there so much dislike amongst this tire?
I looks beefy, rides smooth(someone I know has these @33").
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from what I understand... procomps are soft rubber that don't like the cold weather typical with our environment.
I think Scott has some more info than me... Also check the Eco forums. I think there's been a fair bit of debate on there about procomps.
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Funny how nobody mentioned the Trxus chunking off and losing lugs in rocky situations........For that reason alone I got BFG MT's, and was super happy with them......
Is the chunking issue something that's been remedied? or just less frequently noticed?
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I run 32" BFG MT's all year around. Very happy with them.
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How well do the truxus mt's stand up to sidewall puncture. How do these tires compare to cooper stt's?
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stuck again wrote there are quite a few options available for an all terrain tire that are reasonably priced and mud terrains for that matter too. PM me and I can get you some prices no both. Cooper makes a great all terrain that is more aggressive than the BFG AT there are also some off shore tires available that can compete with the BFG now too.
Can you give us some examples of the off shore tires that are comprable? Do you have access to the truxus mt's? Do you have any cooper stt's in yet?
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I have known a couple guys to run procomps tires, some MTs and another guy the X-terrains. The guys running the MTs bought they because they were cheap. I believe they wear fast and become pretty hard in the winter. As for the X-terrains, they are brutal in mud from what I have heard. B-man from ECO ran a set and I believe he said they were one of the worst tires he has ran, and he has ran A LOT of tires.
Ask Dom and 01Sahara about the sidewall strength of the trxus MTs. I think that I am going to convince my dad to get a set of the Cooper STTs, TJ54 is running them right now and from my understanding loves them
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I run 32" BFG MT's all year around. Very happy with them.
yup im running 31" MT's, they did very well on a run in the snow yesterday. Im happy with them
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from the sounds of things M/T's are the way to go :D
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The BFG is a good tire with a proven tread design.
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So what are you guys getting out of a set of Truxus mt for miles. I am looking to put a set om my yj..... I found a good deal so I am interested....
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So what are you guys getting out of a set of Truxus mt for miles. I am looking to put a set om my yj..... I found a good deal so I am interested....
i would like to know as well AND :) do they balance and stay balanced?
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So what are you guys getting out of a set of Truxus mt for miles. I am looking to put a set om my yj..... I found a good deal so I am interested....
i would like to know as well AND :) do they balance and stay balanced?
I'm almost at 18,000 Km's on my 33's....and still 75%'ish tread left on a daily driver. I have not had to re-balance them, and still ride relatively quiet on the highway. I will be buying these in a 31 for the XJ this spring, to replace the BFG AT's. :wink:
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So what are you guys getting out of a set of Truxus mt for miles. I am looking to put a set om my yj..... I found a good deal so I am interested....
i would like to know as well AND :) do they balance and stay balanced?
No balance problems with the tires and they run well. I only have 31" set the larger sizes may have more balance issues.
I was happy with the performance last winter when I got them, but swapped back to my street tires for daily driving in the summer. I run about 40,000 - 45,000 KM a year the Truxas got about half of that mileage and now have 50% + left on the three originals. A log ate one of the sidewalls on a trail run in the fall. The soft compound did appear to wear faster in the heat of the summer but some weeks I was to lazy to change them back after a trail run. They are good tires but not a high mileage tire. (45,000-50,000)KM+- would be my guess from the first year of driving.
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I had 35" x 12.5" TRXXUS mt's on my last jeep and they kicked butt. I would definitely buy these again. they were awesome in the mud, snow, pavement, dirt, whatever. At mclean creek you know there are lots of jagged rocks in certain area's and they did great with the rock's while my buddy's mickey thompson baja claws got chunks taken out of them. Plus the sidewall tread is amazing for when you air down. I'd go with the trxxus mt's because I loved them and I haven't heard anyone else say anything negative about them.
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I've tried most of them. I have Goodyear MTR's on now and can't wear them down enough to have an excuse to let me spend some more cash on tires. I find they don't heat up on the rocks as well as I would like and they are definitely weak in mud. I air down to 5-8 psi with outlaw II's (10") and have NEVER lost a bead. My next set will be IROC 36"s (a true 36"). Those TRUXXS are a great tire also due to side design..
http://www.intercotire.com/site.php
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I have been looking to get new tires also and the Mickey Thompson MTZ or BAJA Claw's are what has been recomended for me here in the Okanagan.. Definatly do some shopping around as i have found $300 price difference on a set of 4 with steel simulated beadlocks!! WOW is exactly what my reaction was... :? now that i have quotes from all the shops here i went back to Kaltire who was the the most expensive and they beat the best deal and they have great service too.. just my opinion but definatly donot be afraid to shop its worth the time and effort!!
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I have started looking at a tire upgrade, and was hoping to get a few more questions answered on Mud Terrain Tires.
How do they ride on the highway, also is the noise going to be that noticeable over the wind, hehe? How are they in the city, i've heard its possible to have them jump around a bit at lower speeds/stopping.
I am basically looking at getting some 31x10.5s for a DD, and weekend warrior when i have the time. Cheers!
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How do they ride on the highway, also is the noise going to be that noticeable over the wind, hehe? How are they in the city, i've heard its possible to have them jump around a bit at lower speeds/stopping.
The howling will be heard over the wind but after a little while all the noises just blend together.
On the highway to me they ride like any other tire same with the city. Where you will notice the difference is that not many MTs, however more and more are coming out with SIPES. Sipes are what give you traction in very wet and icy conditions.
If you are looking for a good on/off-road tire look at the Toyo MTs, Cooper STTs, BFG MT, Goodyear MTR, but I would stick with the Toyos or STTs as they have siping and are basically an improved design over the MTR.
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Now will this size of tire fit on my stock 15x7 wheels? I ask because the quote I got on 4 goodyears was the same as 5 trxus and Steelies!
How does everyone find the trxus in rain and ice, do they need to be or can they be siped?
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Now will this size of tire fit on my stock 15x7 wheels? I ask because the quote I got on 4 goodyears was the same as 5 trxus and Steelies!
How does everyone find the trxus in rain and ice, do they need to be or can they be siped?
I have seen upto a 12.5" wide tire mounted on a 7" wheel, but I would not recommend more than about 10.5". Also most if not all the tire vendor list a recommended wheel width for the tire.
If you look at the Trxus tread pattern you will see that they are already siped.
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Thanks for the help, I think i'll give em a shot!
Does it matter that they are not radials?
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Does it matter that they are not radials?
Which tires are not radials?
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I though i read that the trxus arent radials, but i see now that its the STS that are bias and radials.
Thanks again for all the help!
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well bought the Mickey Thompson MTZ's 33's
I absolutley loved them. I would go 2wd through most stuff that
my friends would have to go 4wd through. They are a bit noisy on the
hwy but hey it's a jeep thing for a reason. Wheeled with
a buddy with Truxs Mud terrians 33's and he kept having problems
with his tread clogging up mine seem to clean out the tread even at a low speed. I would definitely recomend anyone out there the MTZ's they
are a little more than the Truxs but worth it!!!
Cheers
Dave