Calgary Jeep Association
4x4 Related Groups => Land Issues, Trail Projects & Trail Stewardship => Topic started by: SOMETHING WICKED on June 27, 2007, 08:09:56 PM
-
http://www.gov.ab.ca/home/NewsFrame.cfm?ReleaseID=/acn/200706/217316F02092D-99DF-90FC-1B2BAEA271F39477.html
-
here goes the trail repair projects we wanted to do in IG...
This is BS!!! The 4X4s didn't even have a chance to voice our opinion again! :evil: :evil: :evil: ....
We work hard to keep an area open and we get shot in the back again... great! :evil: :evil: :evil:
Thanks for posting the info Tim
-
Doesn't the map show IG on the other side of the road.....unaffected by this closure to Willow Creek?
It's just a matter of time though. We are fawked.....
Anyone want to buy a TJ?
-
Doesn't the map show IG on the other side of the road.....unaffected by this closure to Willow Creek?
The North side of the road (Catarac Creek) is basically Kannanaskis. We are not alowed there Eric.
(http://www.gov.ab.ca/acn/200706/21731.gif)
Very sad news... :cry:
What's weird is that me and Blair just received a letter from Darryl Johnson Thanking the CJA for our effort in the "Respect the Land" project and the cleaning up we did on May long. I just received it today...
I just don't understand :( :cry:
-
So is IG not the location it is labeled as on the map? Or is that not he part we normally wheel? It's on the north side of the highway on the map. Closure appears to be all south.
-
So is IG not the location it is labeled as on the map? Or is that not he part we normally wheel? It's on the north side of the highway on the map. Closure appears to be all south.
Closure is South of the 532... with in the green lines. It's definatelly closing the wheeling area where we were allowed to go... it's gone!
Let me know when you come to town. We due for a beer somewhere!
-
Well That Sucks!!
What can I say? With this new storm of closures please try to keep the long term goals of the responsible recreational users in focus. If an area is closed then wheel some other place. If you are breaking the rules and are on closed trials it reflects badly on all of us. Please continue to "Tread Lightly".
Yes this sucks after our hard work in this area. Will I sell my jeep tomorrow? - NO. Will I continue to work on trail projects and with SRD in other locations to regain and improve other trails? - YES. The closure does not appear to be fair to the users with larger vehicles that use the area responsibly. However, it does not mean I will quit trying to fix things.
Blair
-
So is IG not the location it is labeled as on the map? Or is that not he part we normally wheel? It's on the north side of the highway on the map. Closure appears to be all south.
Did I jump the gun on this one? Did I missinterpret it? To single out one group of users on in the off-highway comunity is wrong! Maybe someone with better computer skills can find a map or something on the gov. web site.
-
So is IG not the location it is labeled as on the map? Or is that not he part we normally wheel? It's on the north side of the highway on the map. Closure appears to be all south.
Did I jump the gun on this one? Did I missinterpret it? To single out one group of users on in the off-highway comunity is wrong! Maybe someone with better computer skills can find a map or something on the gov. web site.
No Tim from the map Dom has posted it is clear that the area we have been using for day trips is closded to truck/jeep use. Thanks for posting the info Tim
-
So now where is everyone going to wheel? It's not like everyone is going to sell their rigs and buy quads.
What the heck does the government think? That the mess was caused by the 4x4ers. Do they think that if you drive a bike or a quad then you must be a good citizen and don't cause any damage. Do they think that banning 4x4's will stop the grad party's ?
So I guess this is going to put even more strain on Maclean now. I guess we know what's coming next.
:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
But just like Blair said, I'm not going to give up maintaining the area's we are allowed to use. I will keep picking up garbage,building fences and bridges. I will keep showing the gov't that there are responsible citizens out there.
Driving a 4x4 is not a crime and I am getting extremely annoyed that the gov't thinks we are all just a bunch of drunken rednecks ripping and tearing up the enviroment.
-
Check out the article in the herald today http://www.calgaryherald.com
-
Mclean will be gone in a year. It is seeing way to much overuse.
No more day trips allowed for Calgarians.
Life sucks. Might as well buy a quad.
-
In all of the meetings and commities with government groups has the idea of user fees for these areas ever come up. If a fee was substantial enough and the penalty for using the area without a pass was high enough it would keep the "rowdys" out and allow the responsible users to enjoy the areas in peace. A system sililar to the Banff pass that people have to purchase when entering the Banff national park. This system would be fairly simple to set up, the infastructure could be accomplished through Alberta registries. The system for fines could be as simple as anyone found in recreation area withouth the pass would be subject to a hefty fine(like Banff). This would also give the government additional money to manage the lowered and managable environment impact in recreation areas. To me this seems like it would solve most of the problems for good and allow responsible hobbiest's like ourselve to continue to do what we love. Maybee this is too simple and the beurocrats like to complicate things :lol:
I encourage everyone who would like to continue to use their vehicles that they have put thousands of dollars into start to let your voice be heard. Write a letter, make a phone call do something and do it over and over until you have a response. All the hard work that the idividuals have put into these areas through volenteer time will have been for nothing if we all dont speak up. As a whole the community can make alot of noise that will be hard to ignore.
-
Hello my fellow responsible 4x4 users. I’m preparing a letter to Ted Morton and all of SRD along with Community Development (parks).
I’m looking for as much information regarding projects that has been done over that last 5 years where 4x4 clubs have been involved. If you have photos along with locations please get contact me through email at [email protected]
I’m away for 2 weeks so I will not be able to reply until I return. Once I return I will put my letter together along with a very large document and send copies off to SRD as well to the media.
Regards,
David Dunlop
-
In all of the meetings and commities with government groups has the idea of user fees for these areas ever come up...
Yes, over and over amd over again....
THEY are PURPOSELY trying to create a world class quading destination. Seriously.
-
:roll:
-
not sure how to word this ... and I will admit I type then think ...
the gov anywhere in the free world is driven by votes and unity so we should try and band with quads/bikes/snowmobiles/etc I would think, its my opinion our alta gov does not want to micro manage any activity that isnt 'high profit', drivers license fee's - fishing license fee's etc are all collected by non-gov private corporate business ... they would much rather see a private corp offroad park's income tax form then paying out $ to enforce land use ... so ... I truely feel the gov will never consider any type of $ for usage ...
if everyone with a 4L t/c banded together in alta then we could persaud the gov to not pave jasper ave and even put in a few mogels but I sense the gov doesnt see enough unity in #'s to worry about votes ...
1 wrong cancels a dozen rights it seems , a huge discredit to our interests is what I see even as I enter our NW community , someone cut through a landscaped drainage ditch and really chewed it up needlessly , and as I turn onto our street I see car? burnouts on a soccer field ... all feeding public perception offroad / 4x = destruction ... :?
I applaud CJA being out there trying to make a difference !
-
well i have just finished typing up letters to Mr. Stelmach, Mr. Morton and my MLA Dave Rodney explaining my concerns about the issue. I hope they are read.....
-
I think what needs to be done is for us to police these areas ourself.
This is absolute bulls$%#. It's total discrimination to people who own 4x4's. They close IG to 4x4 trucks only????? But quads and mototcycles are still allowed??? The GOV is basically saying it was the 4x4'ers that caused all the garbage and mayhem. Total bull!@#$ and discrimination. We were the ones who went out for 3 weekends AFTER to clean up!!! Mclean WILL be next.
Since most of us have a GPS and digital camera we should photo licenceplates and campsites and tell people if it's not cleaned up when they leave they will be reported. I know, a little risky but we have to do something. I am not going to take this crap anymore :evil: We will loose it all before long. And the GOV has it's head up their A$$ for going the easy route of just closing down places instead of spending some money on ENFORCEMENT! Man I am pi$$@&.
-
My mistrust of the PC Gov't and SRD began with them kicking us in the yarbles with GAMP - after our efforts to work with them (cleanups, bridge building, mapping trails). They screwed us over.
And they stab us in the back (while they were smiling) with the closure of Indian Graves - while the 4x4 community continued to work with SRD in the hopes of retaining/reopening OHV areas. They screwed us over again.
Now on the news today, some rancher wants McLean closed to Jeeps/trucks because of the impact that he sees as detrimental to him using the area as grazing land.
The PC Gov't needs to heed the message that there will be political consequences come election time for their abhorrent treatment and betrayal of the Jeep/full size OHV commnity.
-
heh, i saw the same global news report. funny how they couldn't find time to add some of my comments about using the area respectably. pisses me off, even when we get interviewed and we show we are respectable, responsible users, those itnerviews have a way of NOT being used. It was like the report was written, and they were trying to find interviews to support it.
was amazing to see the rancher also ripped into 4x4s and NOT quads too. apparently ripping around in vegitation is ok if it weighs less than 800 lbs.
-
heh, i saw the same global news report. funny how they couldn't find time to add some of my comments about using the area respectably. pisses me off, even when we get interviewed and we show we are respectable, responsible users, those itnerviews have a way of NOT being used. It was like the report was written, and they were trying to find interviews to support it.
was amazing to see the rancher also ripped into 4x4s and NOT quads too. apparently ripping around in vegitation is ok if it weighs less than 800 lbs.
DO NOT TRUST THE MEDIA... they will use you to get what they want. Global used the old clips of IG when we went to clean up to show the "big, bad 4X4" on a newer news clip.
It's all about the show... they don't give a crap what we think or that we are losing trails!
Be careful if you get interviewed.... I would just walk away!
-
I sent this message to the office of sustainable resources the day that I heard of the closure. I made it short and to the point because I was so angry and I want to educate myself a little more before I bombard their office with letters due to the HORSES**T response I recieved.
This letter is to address the recent closure of the recreation area in the Willow Creek area(Indian Graves). I understand that the destruction caused over the may long weekend was a total embarrassment to anyone who calls themselves and Albertan. However the approach of banning a particular group of enthusiasts will not solve the problem it only penalizes a large group of individuals that already use the areas responsibly and understand our recreation areas are a privilege and not a right. This letter is not intended to be a complaint but a suggestion or idea. In all of the meetings and committees with government groups has the idea of user fees for these areas ever been discussed? If a fee was substantial enough and the penalty for using the area without a pass was high enough it would keep the "rowdys" out and allow the responsible users to enjoy the areas in peace. A system similar to the Banff pass that people have to purchase when entering the Banff National Park. This system would be fairly simple to implement, the infrastructure could be accomplished through Alberta registries. The system for fines could be as simple as anyone found in recreation area without the pass would be subject to a hefty fine(like Banff). This would also give the government additional money to implement the fine system and manage the lowered environment impact in recreation areas. I would agree with anyone who says that the destruction of May long weekend is not manageable on a regular basis, however, the impact of regular responsible users is. In my mind this idea may solve a good portion of the problems for good and allow responsible hobbyist’s like ourselves to continue to do what we love. As a member of the “responsible” off road community I ask that you work with us in finding a sustainable solution. Thank you for your time & consideration of this letter William Haworth (403)243-5644
-
What was the responce?
I don't understand this GOV. These places they are shutting down are OFF HIGHWAY AREAS!! That's what they were created for!! And to just ban 4X4's is completely unfair and discrimitory(sp?). I say they should ban any vehical that is only 2WD. I will be talking to my MLA and telling him he doesn't get my vote next time :evil: And I agree with the park pass system would pretty much get rid of 90% of the problem. And make it cost $200 plus PER PERSON and not per vehical.
-
[email protected]
Calgary Sun
[email protected]
Calgary Herald
SEND YOUR LETTERS!! The above are a few more places to send them...I really liked sending mine to Stelmach and pointing out that his support has dwindled to a measly 39% haha.
Below was obviously edited for respective parties,
Dear ,
As an avid user of the Alberta backcountry I am livid with your recent decision to disallow access to vehicles over 800 lbs in the Willow Creek/Indian Graves region.
The problems that arise in the area are not caused by devoted and responsible Albertans. They are caused by high school students and un-educated users. Please reference the Heralds May Long comments on the seven schools that visit the region from as far as 400kms away. The fact that Sustainable Resources is claiming victory is quite ignorant. They obviously have not spent enough time in the area (is this not their “jobsite”??) to understand how to address the issue.
For starters, the issue of random camping has not been addressed effectively. The “camping nodes” you have left open to the public are the exact areas where the May long destruction took place. Give your head a shake!!
I on the other hand came back the following four weekends to help clean-up after the Albertans you have failed to educate. It may seem like common sense to you and I that a couch will not bio-degrade but to some it is not. You have NOT told Albertans how they should recreate. How do they know they are in the wrong?
You seem to like to repeat the statistics of the number of tickets issued in the area on July long weekend. Wow, it is no wonder there were only “few tickets issued”. All seven officers I spoke with explained to me that this is an educational period and that they would not be enforcing the rules for another week or two. I was also told that if users were able to prove they were responsible that there was a possibility of re-opening the area. Tell me how I go about showing that I am responsible when I have nowhere to recreate?
After all, if the method you have taken with Willow Creek will prove to be so effective (in the last seven years, registered off-highway vehicles have grown from 20,000 to 80,000) why not close Deerfoot trail and the QE2 highway?? The province and its population is getting too large, we must shut down more lanes!!
It is no wonder Ed Stelmach’s support has dwindled to measly 39%.
Taking back what is rightfully mine,
Joey Weber
-
Good letter GIS. I also think shutting down random camping within 3-5KM's from any road will also help. Basically it's the areas where 2WD access is the problem. I don't see many off road trailers that far from the roads.
-
One response I received, email your MLA guys, there are supposed to voice your concerns!!
Thanks for this Joey; it's too easy to blame one group of individuals when the government continues to fail us in providing a land-use plan that balances resource, agricultural and recreational needs. A consultation with all recreation groups and scientists is then needed to establish standards for preserving our public lands.
I hope you'll get a chance to influence these decisions.
Sincerely,
David Swann MD
MLA Calgary Mountain View
Shadow Minister Environment
#102, 723 - 14 St. NW
Calgary, T2N 2A4
Tel: 403-216-5445
Fax: 403-216-5447
Please check out my blog:
www.davidswann.ca/blog/