Calgary Jeep Association
4x4 Related Groups => General Talk => Topic started by: Chase on January 23, 2008, 05:26:47 PM
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Hello all, I want to go direct with Viiar. I am going to be doing a Buy in with viiar. We will be the Canadian distributer nation wide. Is there anything you guys really like from this company, if so let me know...
Here is the Link http://www.viaircorp.com/
Thanks Chase
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Is there anything you guys really like from this company, if so let me know...
Here is the Link http://www.viaircorp.com/
Thanks Chase
Nope
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2 gallon tanks
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NOPE? HOW COME?
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NOPE? HOW COME?
electric doesnt compare to a york.
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electric doesnt compare to a york.
They sell more then just compressors
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electric doesnt compare to a york.
So true. They are 1/4 the cost, 1/10th the hassle, dont require you loose your belt tensioner, dont clog your engine compartment, dont fill your tires with oil, and arent proprietory to one overpriced outfit out of the states.
Chase,
The 400, and 450 full packages. Tank, gauge, pressure switch, and all the hardware. Do those for under 500 and they should go like hotcakes. Good user friendly package, and more then enough for most. 37's or larger, recommend the dual 450c package.
I've done quite a few of them, and everyone likes them.
Thanks. Keep up the good work.
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I am in for a tank for sure!!!!!!!! 1 or 2 gallon not sure yet. Let us know some pricing.
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So true. They are 1/4 the cost.....
The rest sure, but come on. A good York is $25.... Mine has never emitted any oil.
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I have a good filter on mine and i never get any oil through...
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I have the portable 300..... when I bought it I had 33' tires... it worked very well. I now run 35" in the winter and 37" 13.5" in the summer and the Viar 300 still does very well. It's not a 100% cycle pump but it never shut down on me.... I one time pumped up the tires on 4 rigs .... it was hot but it never shut down on me.
I'm happy... it's a good little machine for the $$.
(http://www.viaircorp.com/images/pcomp7912.jpg)
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The rest sure, but come on. A good York is $25.... Mine has never emitted any oil.
I'll take 6 GOOD yorks for 25$ a peice. Feel free to bring them by any time. I pay cash.
Kilby's full york kit is 1700$.
Junk yarding a york takes fabrication skills, and a lot hours sourcing bits and peices and getting it together. The belt alone is 50 some dollars for a half decent Goodyear.
If you run air lockers, you need a tank anyways
Dava's is one of the cleanest yorks I've seen, and he has it done right with his filters and manifold. They all oil, whether you know it or not. Its the design of a closed system compressor.
Im serious on the 6 yorks. I'll even give you 50$ for dropping them off. I wont run them, but I will build systems for people when I get a bunch of GOOD compressors for 25$ a shot.
Thanks.
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Unless its worn out it shouldn't pass any oil as its basically just a splash lube system for the bearings. I had one on my old Dodge truck in an OBA setup and never had any filtration on the out side and never noticed any oil. They are pretty easy to find at the wreckers. Most Grand Wagoneers had them. However, as well as the system worked on my old Dodge(v-belt driven) I gave up trying to put one on my XJ's 4.0, no room and too much money for a new pulley to work with the XJs surpentine system.
When in Moab I wheeld with a guy that had a CO2 tank for OBA and running his ARBs. I've been thinking that I may go that route. Was pretty slick and high pressure if you wanted it(just turn up the reg), he said a tank typically lasted him a full year. I may look more at the Viair depending on the price. But I want to use a little space as possible and I think a single CO2 would be less space than Vivair and tank. Plus I like the portability, you can just remove it from the mount and walk up the trail with it.
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Finding a good york is the easy part I spent almost 2 years trying to source the serpentine clutch outside of buying through Kilby . There are so many variables that I gave up and ordered from Kilby , even with the Ogura part number from the clutch Kilby sold me I can't find the clutch anywhere even the Ogura sales rep for western Canada can't find it
For a TJ with A/C
Brackets and clutch you gotta order from Kilby
144.95 for the clutch
259.95 for the brackets
Then a manifold , filter , tank , blow off valve (safety valve) , cut in out switch , air lines it adds up fast
I,m into my system for 800 to a grand plus countless hours
I just picked up a new Gates belt, through a buddy I got it for $60 retail is 106 :o
I love my system ;D
Would I do it again ? Probably not
My 2 cents
Steve
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Unless its worn out it shouldn't pass any oil as its basically just a splash lube system for the bearings. I had one on my old Dodge truck in an OBA setup and never had any filtration on the out side and never noticed any oil. They are pretty easy to find at the wreckers. Most Grand Wagoneers had them. However, as well as the system worked on my old Dodge(v-belt driven) I gave up trying to put one on my XJ's 4.0, no room and too much money for a new pulley to work with the XJs surpentine system.
When in Moab I wheeld with a guy that had a CO2 tank for OBA and running his ARBs. I've been thinking that I may go that route. Was pretty slick and high pressure if you wanted it(just turn up the reg), he said a tank typically lasted him a full year. I may look more at the Viair depending on the price. But I want to use a little space as possible and I think a single CO2 would be less space than Vivair and tank. Plus I like the portability, you can just remove it from the mount and walk up the trail with it.
Our problem is clay, you need to run a welding bottle, unless you have freinds in the re filling business. The after market C02 kits arent certified for use in canada, and its tough to find a shop that will fill them.
Eric Brink ran a welding C02 bottle, and he only got a few runs per fill, with 42's. Those are the bottles I use in the garage, and Im pushing 70$ a fill these days, since C02 went up so much.
I dont disagree, half decent yorks are not impossible to find, but a york OBA system in a jeep is not as simple as just the compressor alone, even if you do find a good one off a 30 year old jeep in pnp these days.
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The setup I saw used a bottle the same as whats used for filling paint ball guns. It was maybe about 2 feet tall. Very portable. My local NAPA is an Air Liquide depot and thats where I exchange my welding/cutting bottles. I asked about it they said they can have them filled for me but I didn't bother getting a price. I'll have to double check that and make sure we were talking about the same bottle. He did say for paint guns though so....
I think I will probably try it since I won't have the budget for anything else and all it will cost me is some time and materials for a mount and the cost of the bottle. I have a regulator already kicking around from another project that never got completed. I'm running 36" bias plys and don't usually air back up after a run in Waiporous since I live in Cochrane and anything farther I usually throw it on the trailer so it will be more for emergency use I think.
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I'll take 6 GOOD yorks for 25$ a peice. Feel free to bring them by any time. I pay cash.
Kilby's full york kit is 1700$.
Junk yarding a york takes fabrication skills, and a lot hours sourcing bits and peices and getting it together. The belt alone is 50 some dollars for a half decent Goodyear.
If you run air lockers, you need a tank anyways
Dava's is one of the cleanest yorks I've seen, and he has it done right with his filters and manifold. They all oil, whether you know it or not. Its the design of a closed system compressor.
Im serious on the 6 yorks. I'll even give you 50$ for dropping them off. I wont run them, but I will build systems for people when I get a bunch of GOOD compressors for 25$ a shot.
$25 is all I paid and easily found 5 good ones in ten minutes of searching. Mine has been on for 4 years. I check the oil level with a dip stick and the level has never gone down........
I do have a tank, switches and hoses as well, but that is a separate issue as you need those for the electric as well.
The only "York specific" cost was the belt which was probably $8 or something like that (I have a V belted engine). I guess you could include the cost of the steel for a bracket, say $5.
And I AGREED that is takes more work...... I was only disagreeing with the cost. But in the grand scheme of things, it was a tiny mod with very little work.
The only downside is that I now end up airing 12 tires instead of 4.....
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A V-belted york setup is an entirely different animal versus getting one into a serp system.
You can disagree with it all you want. A Viar kit is 450$ complete. A kilby complete york is 1800.
Period.
Junk yarding is only cheaper if your time isnt worth anything to you.
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A V-belted york setup is an entirely different animal versus getting one into a serp system.
You can disagree with it all you want. A Viar kit is 450$ complete. A kilby complete york is 1800.
Period.
Junk yarding is only cheaper if your time isnt worth anything to you.
My time is worth something. But $1350 gets me a lot of the way. With that attitude, we'll have to start calling you the new bolt on king. ;) Spending time building stuff is why this is a FUN HOBBY and not a job. You keep finding the expensive solutions, I'll keep finding the cheap ones.
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Bnine the BOLT ON KING.... :o
it is very clear that you have never met Bnine or see his work..... a whole lot of the Jeeps in the club have a lot of HIS handiwork and fab work on them.....a lot of times at more reasonable prices for a stronger part. for example his custom BNINE ARMS, upper and lowers ... made to a custom length with Johnny Joints and thicker wall tubing.... for a fraction of the price of a set from a leading manufacturer. ;D
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I gotta pipe in here.... I think one of the points Bill is making is ... for $450 you can have a viair system... which when you look at the time and effort to piece together a york system... becomes pretty attractive. So its not really 1350 you're saving... its only a few hundred cause the viair system exists and works pretty well.
Plus buying a viair gives me more time to hang out at "Bolt on Bills" place ... where we've "bolted on" poly performance coil over brackets front and rear so I can run 12" travel front & 14" travel rear Bilsteins, currie anti-rock front and rear ... and coming in the next few weeks a long arm setup using poly perf brackets and some pretty beefy joints ;)
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I went with a Viair system for one simple fact. The compressor needs electricity to run. Not motive energy from the engine.
If my rig has no motor, and I need to use air tools, then chances are pretty darn good my battery will run the compressor for a while.
I built my system around survivability. My air compressor is not dependent on my motor, which is dependent on many, many things working correctly.
Besides, being all in for the 3rd party tank, Viair 450, and a hookup kit, I'm still shy of $500.
Besides, I like my air conditioning, and the fact that it works. I like the fact that I don't have to buy bracketry, clutchery, and beltery. I could fab the brackets. But for the time/energy that would take, I could fab bracketry for my compressor, tank, and run tubing front and rear for quick-connects. Plus relocate the air pumps for my diffs, or run them off the main air system, and use propane pressure regulatorss for my lockers.
I simply chose the best bang for my buck, the fact that my air system is not dependent on my motor, and something that is clean and simple. I like the york systems, they are slick and powerful. Can't really beat them for output. But they don't work for me.
Thats my two bits.
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Bnine the BOLT ON KING.... :o
it is very clear that you have never met Bnine or see his work.....
::)
It was a JOKE.... Notice the "Wink" smiley..... :o
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Personally I laughed my butt off ..... it's hilarious and I think Bill should be now known as "Bolt-on-Billy... the Bling King" bahahahaha
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That gives me a pretty good idea of what i should bring in, I appreciate the feedback !!!
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I run a small N2 bottle from Air Liquide.
I used an old O2 regulator ($50 at pawn shop), bought some fittings and hose at PA ($25) and a 10lb fire extinguisher bracket ($15).
The bottle contract is $45/yr.
The bottle is $45/fill.
I can air my 38.5" Boggers up from 6lbs to 30lbs six times on one bottle.
I go wheeling about 24 times a year.
So my OBA costs me about $225/yr (over 4 yrs) - BUT I always have nitrogen filled tires, the system is simple, and I can crank up to 200PSI and seat beads like nobodies business.
And it's foolproof. No belts. No motors. Just a bottle, a regulator, a line and a chuck.
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First, I'll apologize for helping pull this thread off topic.
As to the original question.... I agree with Bnine, the 400C and 450C. Emphasis on the 400C as it really makes the most sesne for our application.
Maybe the 280C as a lower cost option.
Personally I think "kits" are a bad idea but some items that may be harder to find locally such as tanks and the small weatherproof pressure switches. Anything else is easily bought at any industrial supply shop and why waste inventory competing against them.
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I've done Viar's both ways. As long as you dont have MAW (might as well) sickness like I do, you can do the peice work a bit cheaper locally. But if you are like me, you end up buying the better line, high end switches, blah blah.
The peice together I did on Denise's to run her ARB's and fill tires came in close to 900$ after I had my way with it....lol
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Back when I lived in Calgary, up on 16th ave was a place called "Rooks".
Kitty corner to the old Brick.
It was a lesbian bar.
I went there one night when I was about 20, back then I figured all lesbians looked like the gals in porn.
Boy o boy - was I ever wrong.
And I lost $50 to those huge dykes at the pool table.
My point is, run the air system you want - but I would never run an electrical system. Too damn slow.