Calgary Jeep Association
4x4 Related Groups => General Talk => Topic started by: Elsifer on May 04, 2008, 10:47:04 PM
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To find a decent sized suv or light truck, with good gearing, a manual tranny, not right hand drive, and is diesel????
I don't need to extoll the virtues and benefits of running a diesel, those who have and know, will agree with me.
So why do I have to look at a fullsize 1ton pickup, or some weird import with lefthanded shifters??
Don't even mention the 80's tempo or ranger.
Where are the continental european imports? Why have the carmakers pushed dumbarse hybrids with lawnmower gas motors?
Where is the production midsize car, that has a biodiesel certification on it, that also happens to be a hybrid?
Why has Subaru not brought the boxer diesel to north america? http://www.boxerdiesel.com
5.6L/100km and more torque and slightly less hp than their wrx sti gas mill!
Need I go on?
So, where can I find this mythical beast of an oil-burning, rattling machine that is music to my ears, in a medium sized suv? I'd prefer not to have a lefthanded shifter, but I suppose I can suffer driving on the wrong side of the vehicle.
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the best vehicles are not bought... they are built... 1.9L VW diesel in a samurai is a popular swap. the nissan in line 6 diesel has been done. cummins 4bt can go in anything. heck find a late '80s-early '90s dodge truck with the 5.9 diesel, sure its heavy, but bolt it in, hook up 12 volt power and go. that engine needs next to nothing to make it work in anything. if you cant make any of those happen, ride a bicycle, i do;)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkqqMPPg2VI
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Just before I bought my new project jeep in feb this year, I was sooooooo very close to buying Toyota BJ74 or BJ70 from the late 80's. They are awesome indestructable 4x4s', with diesel engines, strong ladder frames, solid axles front and rear, removable tops, and some even had factory cable locking diffs front and rear. The downside....right-hand drive...I decided I could live with that, but the big downside for me was that they have 24volt electrical systems not 12 volt. While some people think that 24volt systems are fine, even superior in some ways, I just didn't want to deal with the extra difficulty getting 24volt parts, everything from light bulbs to alternators, and the more complicated boosting procedures using someone's 12volt vehicle. BUT, if you can live with those 2 issues, they are great vehicles. If I had the money to have both my 02 TJ project vehicle and another toy vehicle, it would be the BJ74.
RACKMAN
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IF your not looking for something to offroad in the Liberty's had a diesel in them for a couple of years in 2002 or 2003. The new grand cherokee also has a diesel option.
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Part of the problem is that North American Diesel needs more refinement. Their excuse is that NA diesel has more sulfur content than Europe. The vehicles don't pass emissions in NA. - That's the excuse anyway... this was one of the main reasons the Wrangler JK didn't get the Diesel option here...
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I'm not looking to wheel it. Well, not hardcore anyways. Some light 4x4 use on a limited basis.
And as a daily driver, I suppose I could get used to a left hand transmission shifter, either manual or automagic. Though it might take me a while to remember which door to get into.
But I'm not looking to spend 50+ g's to get into a new Cherokee, or Mercedes. A used Libby would be a great score tho.
I've been looking at the autotrader, and finding lots of rhd mitsu's, toy's and nissans. I'm warming up to the idea of a civilized 4x4 with a sub 3L diesel, and with 4x4. There are some neato rigs out there to be had.
Now if only the fast food drive thru would get a speaker on the other side...
Oh, Al, you need to get more sleep. That or stop posting stuff about your pet lemur. Leave the poor bugger sleeping.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkqqMPPg2VI
Thats great Al. 8)
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If you have to, i would look at the Pajero.
It is 1/2 to 1/3 the cost of a Landcruiser.
Diesel
4.88 gears
LSD f&R
33's fit with no mods.
12 volt
AWD, 2WD, 4 hi and Lo.
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/Spinalguy/Pajero/e6e6b53d.jpg)
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after looking at the pajero, i second the liberty ;-) had diesel to 2005 i believe
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Look at a Mitsu Delica.
http://www.delica.ca
Now that screams SEKSEY all over it!
And I want one, seriously.
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(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d175/DelicaClubPhils/Spacegear/2005-08-026-30-202-06ch.jpg)
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I'd prefer it stayed that way. The popularity of deisel has already driven its prices through the roof.
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I'd prefer it stayed that way. The popularity of deisel has already driven its prices through the roof.
True story on the fuel price. As for the 4BT being bolt in; it is and it isn't. After you fab motor mounts and measure for clearances it's kind of bolt in. But it sure is tall, another issue depending on what your putting it in. don't forget the torque of a diesel, useally 2 ft/lbs per 1 hp.
In the next few years you will see the big 3 come out with small cube, light weight diesels for their sport utes and half tons. The only problem with that is the emission standards they will have to meet. The DPT or sdiesel particulate trap shoots raw fuel into the exhaust to burn diesel soot, that fuel comes out of your tank and effects your mileage. European diesels run a very clean fuel and the exhaust is further cleaned up using euria (fertilizer). Diesel is the most popular fuel for vehicles in the world, the NA auto makers as just slow here, don't forget besides Asia the big 3 own most of the manufacturing of autos in the world
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get one of the new diesel grand cherokee's, you're making the big bucks now :)
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call me crazy but is that delice not RHD?? I'm saving my pennies right now for a RHD so i don't have any problems there. but Ive heard nothing but bad things about the liberty diesels.
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The only thing i have heard is that parts for Delicas are not as readily available as they are for Pajero`s.
Some vehicles, women just look better in; STOCK jeeps and any Liberty ;D
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Some vehicles, women just look better in...
I second that, Jeeps and lifted trucks. Heck just about anything with 4x and bigger tires.
I have a lead on an early 80's LandCruiser, LHD, diesel, 4 door bigger waggy.
If the diesel dies, then the engine bay is big enough for a cummins or a duramax!!
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I second that, Jeeps and lifted trucks. Heck just about anything with 4x and bigger tires.
I have a lead on an early 80's LandCruiser, LHD, diesel, 4 door bigger waggy.
If the diesel dies, then the engine bay is big enough for a cummins or a duramax!!
Both of those engines are VERY heavy, a 12 valve cummins is a nice choice, no electronics just a fuel shutoff wire and gauges. I've been reading alot lately about the isuzu 4 banger diesel, lighter than the 4 banger Cummins I'm working on and about the same HP and touque.
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I'd prefer it stayed that way. The popularity of deisel has already driven its prices through the roof.
As it did in the UK some years back
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Hey Chris!!! Maybe you should consider a KJ like I got :D ;D. Fun to drive, unique & runs on half the gas the XJ did. Now I know how to get the components for lifting & Jay knows how to build nice bumpers & rails :o.
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Hey Chris!!! Maybe you should consider a KJ like I got
You mean the "Kia Jeep" ????
Might be an option, but a gas engine can't run wvo, or vo.
WVO = waste vegetable oil
VO = Vegetable oil
Diesel's more expensive than beer, drink, don't drive!
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Vegetable oil is way over rated...unless your having it with one(or more) of the SI swimsuit girls :o ;D :o ;D!!!!!
Now there's something to think about :D ;).
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Aren't diesels harder to start in really cold conditions ?
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Not if the battery is good, the glow plugs work, the fuel has conditioner in it, and if really cold, some sort of block heater.
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my last diesel i had to plug it in if it was any colder than +20c
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my last diesel i had to plug it in if it was any colder than +20c
+20???
Your motor sucked! ;)
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thats a good excuse to get out of work. if its to cold for the truck to start then its got to be to cold to work ;)