Calgary Jeep Association
4x4 Related Groups => Tech Talk => Topic started by: stuffed_in_a_locker on September 03, 2008, 10:36:20 PM
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How hard would it be to put a mercedes diesel engine from a sprinter into my 07 rubicon unlimited?
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here's some pics of it ;-)
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Lots of work probably....but you could sell it to me for $1000 when you're finished. :lol:
J/K....not sure what all is involved in the wiring of the Sprinter engines....but the older 5cyl Mercedes diesels basically just needed a 12v connection to run.
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BALLLLLLLLLLLLA..... ;D i do like the choice of rims looks good
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uhmmmmm........so when are you gonna lower it and put in the air ride suspension ???? ::)
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Sorry I have to ask, why would you buy a rubicon with no intentions of offroading it? :o
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X2 what BlackYJ said...........WTF ?? ???
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I was thinking the same thing.... WHY??!!! :'( :'( :'( :'(
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c'mon guys... its got a Fox sticker on the back... that means off road. then again the DUB sticker kinda takes away from it all...
im assuming you want the 3.0L bluetec diesel engine. that in my opinion is a wicked engine. wish they would put it in everything. lots of power all through the rpm range.
but putting it in a JK would be very expensive and not that easy. look for one from a grand cherokee. not sure if there is much choice for transmission and transfer case options. so you may be stuck with whatever its got bolted to it. after that the stock JK rubi axles would handle the power. considering the grand cherokee had a lame aluminium rear dana 44ish thingy out back.
now its pretty obvious by your choice of wheels that you like to waste money, so if thats the case go for the hemi swap. seems to be a few on the market now.
good luck
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I will venture that only 1 of 10 Rubicons actually go off road.
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It's your Jeep, not my taste.
I feel that this thread needs some balance... I like this one...
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you makes those flat fender flares??? they look awesome!
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thats a sweet ars ride that tire swing out is sweet as well
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DAMN!!!!
I might have to make the wife drive the Grand, just so I get the TJ.
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you makes those flat fender flares??? they look awesome!
I wish I could fabricate that stuff, those are Off Road Evolution, flares and armour. It is on my wish list.
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I think we scared him away... :D
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(%R&^%$*^!!!!!!!! ouch my eyes! oh god! What the hell did you do that for??!!!!
thats what Hummers are for. or Denali's, or maybe a Yukon....
and it was a RUBI. seriously. wtf.
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I'd wait and see how the mopar CRD crate engine pan's out if interested in a diesel swap especially since jeep already builds a jk overseas with it ... checkout the link on this somewhat ignored thread http://forum.calgaryjeep.com/index.php?topic=9918.0
I'm with Z on the percent that go offroad, we see rubicons different than most consumers - I've read that in this era of luxary its considered to be the 'loaded' package and consumers like that without knowing its capabilities ...
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someone can rescue it in a few years... when they are not "cool" anymore.
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That's our plan. We have the '04 2 door Rubi to play with now and a Cherokee we are going to be working with or supplementing or... but eventually, our eyes are on a 4 door JK rubi to work with.
I've seen a bunch of YouTube vids and sites about this particular engine swap... seemed interesting, but beyond what I'm willing to do at this point. Now if that guy that does hydrogen supplementation gets it to where it's commerical and usable offroad... *then* I'll be taking a more serious look.
Definitely document *every* little detail if you do the swap, as that will be valuable information!
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i dont get why everyone had to hack on this guy about his jeep.... if he likes it thats all that matters... different strokes for different folks.... so he likes big rims and a lower pro tire... personally i think it looks decent as is
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i also agree. yes its a rubi but its his rubi. at least he bought a jeep
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Now *there* is a slice of truth... the more people keep buying the Jeep marque, the more likely it will stay around, even with the changes to "civilize" it. Heck, it may even lead to a more fuel efficient version that is still very offroadable sooner rather than later.
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Now *there* is a slice of truth... the more people keep buying the Jeep marque, the more likely it will stay around, even with the changes to "civilize" it. Heck, it may even lead to a more fuel efficient version that is still very offroadable sooner rather than later.
Funny how most of these comments are siliar in tone to when the ZJ's came out. :lol:
It's all in good fun, though, and most here should realize that....it's US that need to get used to the newer jeeps, not that there's anything wrong with them.
I bet everyone said the same thing about the Cj5's when they came out, after years of flat fenders. :)
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I'm gonna stay outta this one...............I guess I'm to biased in my opinions, in that I believe in "Purpose Built"
You don't put perfume on a pig, same sex marriages...........etc. Somethings just are not right.
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deleted, not relevant to the thread...my bad.
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that title goes to me Tom, I am the 'Thread Killer', till now thinking my postings been blah and maybe to much common sense - let me prove it posting this ...
aint worried bout the wheels till my kids goto school in this
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edit - always like to include my name if I address someone directly ... more blah ... sigh ... this topic is now offically dead ...
Randy
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Just cause you cant afford it or it isn't your taste RUBI, don't hack on it. If I didn't have plans for it, why would I be inquiring about dropping in a diesel? It has and will continue to go off road. I had a jacked up TJ before I bought this. My wife drives it most the time with our baby in the back seat so I wasn't going to put it up on anything bigger then the 33's for now. I'm getting her a Lincoln MKX eventualy and I will make the Rubicon into an on/off-road toy. I already have the suspension kit in my garage for when I put 37's on it with the 24's. I drive my Diesel F-350 everyday so the jeep will be a project. That 3.8 liter engine has got to go and I want some real feedback from people who know what they're talking about instead of a bunch of jealous tire kickers who don't have any good input to contribute.
Let's get back on track here. What is needed to do the swap? There was a 07 Rubicon diesel at sema with the 3.0 common rail diesel in it. Does anyone know of anybody who has done something similar to this before?
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:-X Apperently someone is a bit sensitive :D
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A bit sensitive huh? Why are you posting in here if you aren't going to keep on topic. The question was not "what do you think of my rims?". Look at all the jacked up diesels you see around town. Do you think that any of those go off-road? Hell no. So why do they do it? They like the way it looks that's why. I like the way my rubicon looks and once I get my wife her MKX, and I can start really doing stuff to this, then I'm positive you will all like the way my rubicon will look once it's done and it will continue to go off-road. You think that because it has 24's it's incapable of going off road? It still has 33" tires on it, It's still a Rubicon and I don't plan on rock crawling with it anyways so a little mud won't hurt. Use your head before you start spouting off and making assumptions.
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UR right bout the post jacking ( my bad ) Sincere Apology :-[ I agree 110% on the over juiced Monster trucks...they usually have a set of beans dangling off the receiver as well, and none of them would even go where a stock Rubicon would go for sure. YES....it's all a matter of taste to the individual, and I LOVE the big rims as well ( maybe on cars and such though....but that's me) $$$$$$$$ ... on a big set of wheels like that and then the rubber as well...that would be why I assumed it would never leave the pavement, thats just to much polished aluminum to gouge up on rocks n mud !! I don't even use my stock Moabs on mine for summer outtings, again ...why bash em up. Nor am I into the Rock Crawling thing........maybe if I lived in Utah, Arizon and that was the terrain ......but , I don't.
The JKs are are every bit as capable as any or all of the older models ( been out with lots on the trails) ...even with the 3.8 they seem to have all the power one would need out wheeling. I was originally planning on a 5.7 Hemi swap myself......but consider the $30,000 already spent on a new Rube at the time ??? The only time I Truly find I'm lacking in power ( 4.o Litre) is on the Highway, specially slinging the 35s. I don't know that the diesel would give you that much better, maybe one should explore all the options on the 3.8 first ??? Headers, Hi Flow exhaust, Air intake, ( power adders ???) and gearing could be a big help also.
I saw a TJ with spinners on it a year ago........and that wasn't my style either ....but, I guess to each his own.
Once again though..........SORRY :-[ ( jacking the thread, and hacking on personal taste)
I'll go out wheeling with anybody and anything just to get out there. ;)
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The JK at Sema if I am not mistaken was a 3.0 CRD out of a Grand Cherokee. There is a rumour that AEV is doing a kit, you may want to contact them.
I found the 3.8 pretty good off-road, but it is a bit underpowered on the street.
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That's cool man. You're entitled to your own opinion but I just didn't want them in this thread. I was just posting on here to get some input on the diesel and it turned into a conversation about my wheels. I love mudding and trails and I got out a few times this summer with these rims and tires. A little bit of a rougher ride but I was still able to air down a bit. When the 37's go on, the ride will be much better but it's not all that bad as it is. I will always own a jeep and I will always be into 4x4ing and that's all that matters. Here's a picture of my last TJ and a picture of when I first got the Rubi and took it out with the jeep association.
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The JK at Sema if I am not mistaken was a 3.0 CRD out of a Grand Cherokee. There is a rumour that AEV is doing a kit, you may want to contact them.
I found the 3.8 pretty good off-road, but it is a bit underpowered on the street.
See... now in the 2 door I find the 3.8 plenty... this Jeep has about as much jam as my Mazda 6 did... not as much top end mind you... but it accelerates fine...
...as for the diesel... what about importing the JK Diesel from Europe... just the motor I mean? Shouldn't that just bolt in? The specs on it are good IMO....
They do something weird with the front bumper too LOL
http://www.jeep.co.uk/wrangler/index.html
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The JK at Sema if I am not mistaken was a 3.0 CRD out of a Grand Cherokee. There is a rumour that AEV is doing a kit, you may want to contact them.
I found the 3.8 pretty good off-road, but it is a bit underpowered on the street.
Yeah I saw that. I would rather source out the motor myself and maybe buy the motor mounts, wiring, etc. from them to do it myself. I agree with you 100% on the power thing.
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See... now in the 2 door I find the 3.8 plenty... this Jeep has about as much jam as my Mazda 6 did... not as much top end mind you... but it accelerates fine...
...as for the diesel... what about importing the JK Diesel from Europe... just the motor I mean? Shouldn't that just bolt in? The specs on it are good IMO....
They do something weird with the front bumper too LOL
http://www.jeep.co.uk/wrangler/index.html
Now why wouldn't they offer that here? At least as an extra option or something. Instead we get only the caravan engine.
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Now why wouldn't they offer that here? At least as an extra option or something. Instead we get only the caravan engine.
I know, I would have opted for the CRD in a heartbeat.
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Now why wouldn't they offer that here? At least as an extra option or something. Instead we get only the caravan engine.
It's actually "coming" eventually.... they could not meet North American Emission Standards - so they could not offer it. This is the excuse anyway. Partly because of NA diesel having a larger sulfer count. But they are testing it here ... and the rumor is it shall be offered in the next couple of years... if you want to believe that. This is why I leased my Rubi... just in case...
But the 300 ft lbs looks kinda cool on that unit, huh?
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I used to think the same thing, but honestly, if I had the money to drop on a new 4 door for my wife that would never go offroad, I wouldn't see a problem in suiting it up like yours.
THAT said, back on topic:
http://www.dieselpowermag.com/features/0803dp_2007_diesel_jeep_wrangler_rubicon_jk/index.html
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As for the CRD eventually coming, Jetta TDI's are now going to be available again, and now inline with emission standards. The CRD will not be far behind (say 2yrs at most).
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there is mostly only discussion on the web regarding a CRD transplant, one
forum there was a post on someone willing to sell the 'how to do it' cookbook
? obviously an entrepenur type ... anything is possible with skill and/or $;
the 2.8 CRD that came in lib's was about 160hp and 280ft/lbs torque , from
what I have seen they were all mated to a auto trans made for the job;
this is the crate kit that mopar may release with adapters for the nv3550 trans
and others upto the task;
if I had a jk and this was of interest I would research the drivetrain and I'd pick
up a lib off ebay and do a complete swap then let the lib go back into the wild;
Seems this would be cost effective ...
the thing I like about the kits if mopar produces is the fit/finish product should
include the little extras like how to get your gauges to work , trim rings etc as opposed to
trail/error - time wasted I dont have and alot of head scratching WTF? I wouldnt
want my jk to look butchered when I was done ... you know the saying ... first 90% take
10% of your time and the last 10% takes 90% of your time ... or something like that ...
the 3.0 CRD at sema I believe was built by AEV in montana and mopar, it
puts out 260hp and a whopping 380ft/lbs of torque - this would require additional
drivetrain beef in the JK but would be sweet when done but its a wild departure from
the closer to stock CRD lib solution ...
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Yah, the Euro JK is a 2.8 Litre.... probably the same engine... but with a manual only....
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Has anyone looked at the sticker in engine compartment of a JK? It has the CRD information listed along with the 3.8. I just wish they would just offer it.
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Burnsville threw a CRD into a JK, but the site has been removed. Maybe some digging for those keywords might turn up something. I saw the pictures, and it was really tight in there.
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http://www.burnsvilleoffroad.com/Hemi/Hemi57.aspx
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Uhmm....Hemi's aren't diesel.
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If it were me...
i would buy my MITSUBISHI diesel and put that in it. You could part out the rest and be golden!
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Or buy Bill's Nissan 6cyl diesel.....and then again, I do have a 5 cyl Mercedes motor sitting in my garage......