Calgary Jeep Association
4x4 Related Groups => Land Issues, Trail Projects & Trail Stewardship => Topic started by: Stinky Bear on April 22, 2009, 04:29:05 PM
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The website For Tread Lightly Canada Has been Launched!!!
http://www.treadlightlycanada.ca/
Check it out!!
Bear
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Right on Bear!
This is great news!
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Right on Bear!
This is great news!
Yup hopefully soon memberships will be available and we will keep you all informed as things progress!!
Bear
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I vote we become an "Official Partner Club - $250 annually" ASAP
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I think being a partner club would be a great idea
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I vote we become an "Official Partner Club - $250 annually" ASAP
Yes we should be a member. Great job Bear!
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Yes we should be a member. Great job Bear!
Oh its been a team effort but truely the pres John has been the big push to get this into Canada......Hopefully very soon I can let you all know when the memberships will be accepted....
Bear in mind that club and individual memberships are not the same. A club will have membersip as an organization but the individual will need to have their own as well if they so choose....The infastructure is very similar to the U.S. and as such memberships I beleive will be structured the same way.
More on all of this as we figure it out.......
Bear
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+1 on the partner club idea. Wheeling responsibly is a core value for our club.
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I vote we become an "Official Partner Club - $250 annually" ASAP
Good call there Ian ;). If I were still a CJA member you'd have my vote ;D.
I will be putting in for an individual membership & also membership as a dealer ASAP!
Bear, please keep us posted :).
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Good call there Ian ;). If I were still a CJA member you'd have my vote ;D.
I will be putting in for an individual membership & also membership as a dealer ASAP!
Bear, please keep us posted :).
You bet bud!!!
Bear
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I also think we should be a member.
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let us know when we can become members Bear
tried today and it wont let me clicky the clicky spot to join grrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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let us know when we can become members Bear
tried today and it wont let me clicky the clicky spot to join grrrrrrrrrrrrrr
You bet bud!!
Bear
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Can somebody please explain to me why we need an American organization like Tread Lightly in Alberta?
The point is (I believe) to open up more land as designated off-highway area in this province, and protect what is already there.
If this is what we are looking for - the organization that has the final say in these matters is the Alberta SRD. The informed realize that we (4x4 clubs and organizations) need to work WITH the SRD, and within their rules and mindset.
The SRD has their own campaign, similar to "Tread Lightly". It is called Respect the Land.
The whole Tread Lightly thing irks the SRD guys I know, as they know it is from the States, and most of them think it isn't a "made in Alberta" solution. If you follow the tread lightly principles to the letter - none of us would ever go wheeling in this province.
So - would somebody please explain to me how Tread Lightly is going to keep land open in this province? I really want to know - because from where I am standing, membership in Tread Lightly is contentious with the very government bodies I am currently working with.
Corey
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I'm not trying to ruffle feathers - but I really want to know why becoming involved with Tread Lightly is a good idea.
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Corey, I'm not going to try and tell anybody why Tread Lightly is either a good thing or a bad thing. What I am curious about is why would the SRD people you're working with be so irked about the Tread Lightly concept coming up this way, again. (it was here before)
After all this is the same SRD that has been consulting with and pushing ideas of a quad organization based from the US. I'll have to research the name of that organization again but SRD has everyone thinking this is the best agenda to follow. Rightfully so I guess, when that organization is easily influenced by the SRD ideas of closure to old seismic lines and exploration roads to 4x4's but for some reason are still a sustainable trail system to quads.
What Tread Lightly does do though, it tries to educate users of proper trail usage and ediquite (spell check) rather than take SRD's way of simply denying access to certain users. I'd gladly pay for a membership to Tread Lightly before I'd ever want to go the free use respect concept if using repect means staying out of the places I 've enjoyed for years and watch them go to nothing but quads.
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Corey, I'm not going to try and tell anybody why Tread Lightly is either a good thing or a bad thing. What I am curious about is why would the SRD people you're working with be so irked about the Tread Lightly concept coming up this way, again. (it was here before)
After all this is the same SRD that has been consulting with and pushing ideas of a quad organization based from the US. I'll have to research the name of that organization again but SRD has everyone thinking this is the best agenda to follow. Rightfully so I guess, when that organization is easily influenced by the SRD ideas of closure to old seismic lines and exploration roads to 4x4's but for some reason are still a sustainable trail system to quads.
What Tread Lightly does do though, it tries to educate users of proper trail usage and ediquite (spell check) rather than take SRD's way of simply denying access to certain users. I'd gladly pay for a membership to Tread Lightly before I'd ever want to go the free use respect concept if using repect means staying out of the places I 've enjoyed for years and watch them go to nothing but quads.
Must be Gunther.
Look - an anti-government stance is going to bear NO fruit in these times. Our TNT member who attended the reading of bill C-36 will attest to that.
I'm sorry you feel f-ed over by the SRD but they are the only people that can open up access.
A good friend of mine had no use for Tread Lightly, his name was Ken Taylor. He realized it's irrelevance in our province.
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Yup, anti government all the way. I have been for a lot of years, but only because so many of those years have been spent watching ASRD rapidly closing trails, with zero trails ever being reopened or added to any trail system that I'm aware of in this province. Show me the trails and I'll show them the respect I once had for them.
Looks like another Tread Lighlty thread going astray. :) For that I apologize, but not for my stance on ASRD and trail closures.
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Corey, taken from the Tread Lightly page as I'm sure you've visited the site as well.
Tread Lightly! Canada On Land
Travel responsibly on designated roads and trails or in permitted areas.
Respect the rights of others including private property owners and all recreational trail users, campers and others to allow them to enjoy their recreational activities undisturbed.
Educate yourself by obtaining travel maps and regulations from public agencies, planning for your trip, taking recreation skills classes, and knowing how to use and operate your equipment safely.
Avoid sensitive areas such as meadows, lakeshores, wetlands and streams, unless on designated routes. This protects wildlife habitat and sensitive soils from damage.
Do your part by leaving the area better than you found it, properly disposing of waste, minimizing the use of fire, avoiding the spread of invasive species, restoring degraded areas, and joining a local enthusiast organization.
There's only one of those that I don't agree with and that one would keep me from being involved to the fullest. I'll let you guess which one that would be. It's the same type of wording I rejected on the AB4WD bylaws.
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Yup, anti government all the way. I have been for a lot of years, but only because so many of those years have been spent watching ASRD rapidly closing trails, with zero trails ever being reopened or added to any trail system that I'm aware of in this province. Show me the trails and I'll show them the respect I once had for them.
Looks like another Tread Lighlty thread going astray. :) For that I apologize, but not for my stance on ASRD and trail closures.
Meet me in Hinton and I'll show you a whole trail system build for the public by the West Fraser Timber company, with the SRD's approval.
Meet me in Grande Cache and I'll show you areas we are allowed in that quads aren't.
Come a bit further north and I'll show you the huge tract of land that TNT is being given stewardship over.
Cross over to BC up here and we'll go visit the Kaybob area, newly created designated off-highway vehicle zones.
The biggest problem for you guys is too much population for too few mountains. Unfortunately I don't know what the solution to that is.
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Corey, thanks for explaining that there are areas for us. I never realized that we had all that. The reason I have a membership to Tread Lightly ia that one day I want to wheel in the US, so if my $25/year helps keep places like MOAB and Tellico from being closed then Im happy with it. I keep the Tread Lightly books in the Jeep and Ive actually shown them to one or two people who were curious about the sticker, they seemed pretty impressed that wheelers were actually commited to responsible offroading and willing to commit money to it.
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My take on it is we elected them and they are people very much like us trying to do their job. Unless we can somehow develop the relationships with them and educate them and persuade them as to why and moreover HOW we can keep these things open, then we lose to others who can. It's like the guy at work you want to control... anger and fighting may intimidate him into doing what you want *now*, but he'll figure a way to royally <family site> you later and moreover often the group that has had that done to them gangs up and goes payback. (Hmmm could that be *US*??)We don't have to like the game, but if you choose not to play it, you lose by default. I don't like the game, I don't like the closures and I certainly am disgusted that quads get to go a lot of places having seen how some of them have torn up some trails and watching bikes climb hills off-trail, removing vegetation and creating slippage. We're not without our problem people too... not everyone who gets a 4x4 has a clue about any of this stuff or even cares.I can't say a whole lot because when this all first started, I figured I didn't have the time to educate myself as to the process and chose not to get involved. Look where that landed me/us.Team play almost always has more clout than individual play, but that requires someone with extreme charisma who is intimately familiar with how it works and who is willing to schmooze with the opposing side to develop that rapport. As they say, "Keep your friends close, your enemies closer", not that I go out of my way to consider them the enemy.So which team(s) are the best to join in terms of their effectiveness at keeping trail systems usable and open????? Is it Tread Lightly? Is it someone else? I don't know (yet), but we need *some* larger coordinated organization that reflects *OUR* agenda, *OUR* interests and acts as *OUR* voice.Anyone have a synopsis of the game and a playbook? Oh wow... way off thread I think... dunno. I tried to investigate joining the other day, but the button on their website did nothing :)
Kinda like this post, similar to where I'm at.
I attended an open house in Edmonton concerning Bill 36, Alberta Land Stewardship Act ( check locally as to when a presentation will be in your area). The Province is being divided into seven regions. Each region will have a "Regional advisory council". Apparently two regions have chosen their councils. The other five are still choosing theirs. If you know someone sympathetic to our cause who's resume would give them a shot at a position,now is a good time to step up. A voice in the room is worth more than chanting outside.
That said, the 4x4 community will still have to present itself through the clubs, as Tread Lightly, and as individuals to these councils.
Sorry, kinda off topic, but I thought timely.
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My take on it is we elected them and they are people very much like us trying to do their job. Unless we can somehow develop the relationships with them and educate them and persuade them as to why and moreover HOW we can keep these things open, then we lose to others who can.
It's like the guy at work you want to control... anger and fighting may intimidate him into doing what you want *now*, but he'll figure a way to royally <family site> you later and moreover often the group that has had that done to them gangs up and goes payback. (Hmmm could that be *US*??)
We don't have to like the game, but if you choose not to play it, you lose by default. I don't like the game, I don't like the closures and I certainly am disgusted that quads get to go a lot of places having seen how some of them have torn up some trails and watching bikes climb hills off-trail, removing vegetation and creating slippage. We're not without our problem people too... not everyone who gets a 4x4 has a clue about any of this stuff or even cares.
I can't say a whole lot because when this all first started, I figured I didn't have the time to educate myself as to the process and chose not to get involved. Look where that landed me/us.
Team play almost always has more clout than individual play, but that requires someone with extreme charisma who is intimately familiar with how it works and who is willing to schmooze with the opposing side to develop that rapport. As they say, "Keep your friends close, your enemies closer", not that I go out of my way to consider them the enemy.
So which team(s) are the best to join in terms of their effectiveness at keeping trail systems usable and open????? Is it Tread Lightly? Is it someone else? I don't know (yet), but we need *some* larger coordinated organization that reflects *OUR* agenda, *OUR* interests and acts as *OUR* voice.
Anyone have a synopsis of the game and a playbook?
Oh wow... way off thread I think... dunno. I tried to investigate joining the other day, but the button on their website did nothing :)
My thoughts too.
The days of "us" vs. "them" are over. Either groups like ours work with the government - or we just don't work at all.
We elected them, we have to deal with them now.
It's not as difficult as some of you seem to think.
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Corey, all those areas of trail systems you say are open to you. Are those areas that had been closed and now open to the 4x4's or are they actually areas that have always been open due in part to industry and just haven't been closed YET? Big difference, and we have them all around us here too. Putting BC into that list isn't even a valid arguement for our trail system. The reason I do so much wheeleing in BC is because they haven't yet been too influenced by Alberta's policies. There are however areas down here that have been restricted on both sides making it obvious they may be working together on some of access to trails .
Why do so many people think that they are the new generation of users that have worked with SRD and no one before them have ever done that before? ::) That's the one reason I keep piping up. ASRD have people now thinking they will add trails to the system if they work with them. People for the past 30 years of wheeling have been involved with the process and get nothing in return but more closures. That's the one reason I don't trust them. They have an agenda for the years to come, and 4x4's are not part of that agenda.
We elected them? I'll correct that. You elected them if you voted for them. I haven't voted for them since Kananaskis Country was implented, so have the right to be anti government about thier trail policies.
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I dont see how it's a bad thing at all to have more than 1 organization working with us to help keep trails open. And I think all the better if they dont like each other, that to me sounds even better.
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I dont see how it's a bad thing at all to have more than 1 organization working with us to help keep trails open. And I think all the better if they dont like each other, that to me sounds even better.
Ok, and how is Tread Lightly doing that for you today? This is my original question.
The people that are going to keep the Alberta trails open = you. How is that going to happen? By working with government.
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Ok, and how is Tread Lightly doing that for you today? This is my original question.
The people that are going to keep the Alberta trails open = you. How is that going to happen? By working with government.
I agree with you Corey that working with the government is a key for any chance of opening trails. It’s their game and we can either play by their rules or not play at all. In the long run not trying will get us no where. I have been hard at that approach for a few years working on trail projects and am still optimistic. If it does not then at least I tried. I do understand the frustration of those that have gone before and lost so much trail area west of Calgary. I may have the same opinion after a few more years of trying but for now I am still working at it. Gun and others spent years working with the government while loosing trails you did some great work and your frustration is understandable considering how GAMP hit so hard in the Calgary region. For now though many of us are still enthusiastic that we can make a difference.
The educational information provided by Tread Lightly and soon the new Tread Lightly Canada can do lots to improve our image with the general public and may reach some of the wheelers that are not part of one of our organized clubs and improve their behavior. Bear in Edmonton and Amanda here in Calgary have been working on the getting Tread Lightly Canada up and running. One of them may be able to provide more info and correct anything I have got wrong. I think that Tread Lightly Canada is going to be focused on Education. Yes Respect The Land is a good program by the government but we have had no input on it. It is also only in Alberta where Tread lightly Canada has been formed with representation from other provinces as well. I see more individuals working on education as a benefit to improving the image of wheeling and that can only help us in the long run. Just my take on it.
I will gladly support a national approach to education of OHV users in Canada . It can only help to offset the bad press we often get. It is the May long weekend and we often get slammed in the press. Please do what you can to get out and clean up after those that are giving our sport a bad name this weekend. The efforts of the responsible users and organized clubs does help to show we are not all the same as the irresponsible users that will be shown in the news this next weekend. If all the users this long weekend supported and followed the principals set out by Tread Lightly we would not bee seen as the destroyers in the Press.
Thanks,
Blair
Tread Lightly! Canada On Land
Travel responsibly on designated roads and trails or in permitted areas.
Respect the rights of others including private property owners and all recreational trail users, campers and others to allow them to enjoy their recreational activities undisturbed.
Educate yourself by obtaining travel maps and regulations from public agencies, planning for your trip, taking recreation skills classes, and knowing how to use and operate your equipment safely.
Avoid sensitive areas such as meadows, lakeshores, wetlands and streams, unless on designated routes. This protects wildlife habitat and sensitive soils from damage.
Do your part by leaving the area better than you found it, properly disposing of waste, minimizing the use of fire, avoiding the spread of invasive species, restoring degraded areas, and joining a local enthusiast organization.
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Ok, and how is Tread Lightly doing that for you today? This is my original question.
The people that are going to keep the Alberta trails open = you. How is that going to happen? By working with government
i will work with anyone who may help to keep trails open. the government is a given.
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Respect The Land is a great program and I think everyone should subscribe to its philosophies and practices. That said I personally and another board member of Tread Lightly Canada have had conversations with SRD employees and have had a great response from them about TLC. Secondly the manpower and resources at their disposal could be bolstered by TLC and education would be definitely increased with the involvement of the organization.
One thing to remember is yes Tread Lightly is an American creation that is certain, but Tread Lightly Canada is NOT.....We are working very hard to utilize what Treadlightly has grown into, a wonderful tool for our friends to the south use, into something that we as Canadians can call our own. In doing this we will make the new facet cater to Canadian issues and address Canadian needs. Tread lightly Canada will help both educate land users in each demographic to the needs and requirements of that area which they use. Also the collaboration could help propagate and strengthen needed projects that will sustain and maintain current and future trails, waterways and multi use ares across the country.
The SRD here has limited resourses and do the absolute best they can with what they have. But what if Tread Lightly Canada could help bring more to the table to support the initiative. What if Tread Lightly Canada brought more to the table for the land users as well. Isn't it a win win situation? Together we will make this happen together change can be effected and together as a group, as a team we will all get what we want and need.
Liasing is only one part of the big picture! Working and educating with and for the users and the "governing bodies" is another.
Instead of persecuting the corperation step up and try to help make it what you want it to be....a voice and a helping hand in securing the future of off road usage!!!
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Respect The Land is a great program and I think everyone should subscribe to its philosophies and practices. That said I personally and another board member of Tread Lightly Canada have had conversations with SRD employees and have had a great response from them about TLC. Secondly the manpower and resources at their disposal could be bolstered by TLC and education would be definitely increased with the involvement of the organization.
One thing to remember is yes Tread Lightly is an American creation that is certain, but Tread Lightly Canada is NOT.....We are working very hard to utilize what Treadlightly has grown into, a wonderful tool for our friends to the south use, into something that we as Canadians can call our own. In doing this we will make the new facet cater to Canadian issues and address Canadian needs. Tread lightly Canada will help both educate land users in each demographic to the needs and requirements of that area which they use. Also the collaboration could help propagate and strengthen needed projects that will sustain and maintain current and future trails, waterways and multi use ares across the country.
The SRD here has limited resourses and do the absolute best they can with what they have. But what if Tread Lightly Canada could help bring more to the table to support the initiative. What if Tread Lightly Canada brought more to the table for the land users as well. Isn't it a win win situation? Together we will make this happen together change can be effected and together as a group, as a team we will all get what we want and need.
Liasing is only one part of the big picture! Working and educating with and for the users and the "governing bodies" is another.
Instead of persecuting the corperation step up and try to help make it what you want it to be....a voice and a helping hand in securing the future of off road usage!!!
Tread Lightly probably has some merit educating city people about the "ins and outs" of responsible off-roading in general. In that respect it probably is a worthy endeavor - if it keeps newbies in check.
As far as securing a future for off-roading in this province, you may want to read the contents of Bill C-36, and ask myself or others what exactly it MEANS in the eyes of the public servants tasked with enacting it! Bill C-36 is a really big deal.
In effect, the future of wheeling in this province has already been decided. I know this because I "liason" as you call it with high level SRD personnel - when we meet with the SRD, the SRD managers for ALL OF ALBERTA come to GP to sit down. They all knew how it was going to play out 3 years ago, when they helped us change our dialogue to be well positioned for the new way of managing Alberta lands. The release of the contents of C-36 tell me much about past actions by the government persons I deal with.
The new model calls for interest groups to join regional boards comprised of stake holders. These boards will consist of representatives from ORGANIZED groups and industry. TNT already has a spot on our regional board (the ATV enthusiasts missed the boat). We are now being asked for input each time a decision is being made that affects the way we recreate, and our input is being used in the development of a new OHV area. The best part? We get face time with the people that actually make the big decisions. That email campaign I asked people to do? Made a HUGE deal with the government - and they were very impressed. The minister responsible for Alberta Parks called me personally to thank me for the mass input from the rest of the province.
SO - what is Tread Lightly doing today to keep lands open? It may be a wonderful thing to have here - but at this important junction - how is it helping enthusiasts? Does it speak for the offroad enthusiast community in Alberta? Does it include ATV users? If it does, you may want to rethink membership in it - as ATV's have the crosshairs pointed at them right now (like we did a few years back) - and are on the shitlist with the SRD in many areas. You will not be educating government bodies - trust me - organized 4x4 groups like ours are not considered problematic, but rather are intended to be used as a solution. DO NOT lump yourselves in with ATVs.
My question to you i why hasn't your club (ECO? Or is it NA4WDA?) contacted the SRD and Parks in YOUR area and begun the process of being taken seriously by the decision makers? Do they know that you consider yourselves stakeholders in a certain area or areas? TNT has done just that, and I am pretty sure CJA has as well.
You guys are a bit behind the 8-ball right now, and to be honest Tread Lightly may be important but your enthusiasm may be better directed at ensuring that your organization is part of a process which is occurring right now
I'm sorry if I'm being a jerk about it - but I've stated the reality. Your Tread Lightly sticker won't help you when people from quad and snowmobile and boating clubs/organizations (who have already made inroads positioning themselves as "stakeholders" in various areas) are making decisions about HOW and WHERE you can take your 4x4.
CHOOSE an area(s). Find out who administers it in regards to SRD and Parks. Make sure they know (and I mean REALLY KNOW) why you are stakeholders in that area. Tell them you need your reps to be on the stakeholders board. Since Edmonton is in the middle of a field - I would suggest Hinton + Cadomin + Edson areas for ECO and NA4WDA. Get maps, learn the area - then give them a proposal for areas your club would manage, or steward.
Like Blair said - either work with them or be marginalized. You don't need Tread Lightly - you need to take your established club and get busy with it..
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You probably all want to read this and realize the importance of becoming a "stakeholder", asap.
http://www.landuse.alberta.ca/documents/Final_Land_use_Framework.pdf (http://www.landuse.alberta.ca/documents/Final_Land_use_Framework.pdf)
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With all due respect Corey... Being in Grand Prairie is a complete other world. No people, lots of land, no closures. It is completely different here. Lots of people and everything has been closed already. There is actually lots of area for the people, they have just closed it all. It is past the point of no return around Calgary, seriously.
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I tend to run my mouth off about these things, so I will try to keep myself in check..... ::)
I keep hearing that if you follow the Tread Lightly program to the letter, than no one would ever go wheeling in the province. Can someone quote some SPECIFIC examples of that? Otherwise, both sides are hearsay and useless to anyone listening.
On the other hand, I usually get into trouble in things like this (I'm sure Corey will remember a few discussions on Eco), as when everyone talks about some great big organization that is going to come in an be the saviour for all of us, no one can really tell me what they are exactly going to do, and what they have been doing to publicly promote our image. Then the conversation turns to why do you NEED PEOPLE TO VOLUNTEER AND HELP, but you have NOTHING FOR THEM TO DO? They all want membership dues, and do nothing with them.
By that time, I usually personally volunteer to do any kind of emailing, phoning, canvassing, etc., but people are usually so P.O'd with me trying to get them to show evidence of some sort of plan, that I'm told no one would want me as a volunteer anyway. :-[
Unfortunately, I can be quite passionate about things....so when I say that I think it is seriously stupid to join an organization that isn't going to show you why they can help you and a definate plan as to what they are going to do......feel free to prove me wrong. Show me a Tread Lightly plan, tell me what they'll do for us. Specifically. Definately. Logically and sequentially.
Don't show me a bunch of names and tell me that they are "volunteers at work" with no results to be seen. Notice the last update for AD4WD is Feb. 18, 2007 on their website.
Rant done. ;D
PS. I don't think there is a membership fee for working with SRD. ;)
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With all due respect Corey... Being in Grand Prairie is a complete other world. No people, lots of land, no closures. It is completely different here. Lots of people and everything has been closed already. There is actually lots of area for the people, they have just closed it all. It is past the point of no return around Calgary, seriously.
I know - but guess where the "model" for the rest of the province is being experimented with right now?
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Corey, do you possibly have links to the various documents that they presented at the GAMP committee open house? I think the one in particular showing the relationships between SRD, committees, volunteers etc. would be of vast benefit to people in understanding how this all fits together.
Yes, I'd like to see a plan.
Email me personally please [email protected]
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I tend to run my mouth off about these things, so I will try to keep myself in check..... ::)
I keep hearing that if you follow the Tread Lightly program to the letter, than no one would ever go wheeling in the province. Can someone quote some SPECIFIC examples of that? Otherwise, both sides are hearsay and useless to anyone listening.
On the other hand, I usually get into trouble in things like this (I'm sure Corey will remember a few discussions on Eco), as when everyone talks about some great big organization that is going to come in an be the saviour for all of us, no one can really tell me what they are exactly going to do, and what they have been doing to publicly promote our image. Then the conversation turns to why do you NEED PEOPLE TO VOLUNTEER AND HELP, but you have NOTHING FOR THEM TO DO? They all want membership dues, and do nothing with them.
By that time, I usually personally volunteer to do any kind of emailing, phoning, canvassing, etc., but people are usually so P.O'd with me trying to get them to show evidence of some sort of plan, that I'm told no one would want me as a volunteer anyway. :-[
Unfortunately, I can be quite passionate about things....so when I say that I think it is seriously stupid to join an organization that isn't going to show you why they can help you and a definate plan as to what they are going to do......feel free to prove me wrong. Show me a Tread Lightly plan, tell me what they'll do for us. Specifically. Definately. Logically and sequentially.
Don't show me a bunch of names and tell me that they are "volunteers at work" with no results to be seen. Notice the last update for AD4WD is Feb. 18, 2007 on their website.
Rant done. ;D
PS. I don't think there is a membership fee for working with SRD. ;)
Want to be part of a plan?
Form a stakeholders group. Get organized. (You have done this already)
Contact the SRD in your area, they will know what you are up to and get you the names and emails of the right people to contact.
As above - stake out your turf using maps. The SRD love maps.
Make sure you get reps on the stakeholder committee being formed in your area right now.
It's pretty much the only plan based on the way the rules have now been structured.
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I know - but guess where the "model" for the rest of the province is being experimented with right now?
My personal belief is Calgary. The rest of the province will follow our lead sooner than you think. We will see in a couple of years who is correct.
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Want to be part of a plan?
Form a stakeholders group. Get organized. (You have done this already)
Contact the SRD in your area, they will know what you are up to and get you the names and emails of the right people to contact.
As above - stake out your turf using maps. The SRD love maps.
Make sure you get reps on the stakeholder committee being formed in your area right now.
It's pretty much the only plan based on the way the rules have now been structured.
The call has been put in. If you have any contacts who have contacts down this way, I'd appreciate if you could drop a few names my way. :)
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The call has been put in. If you have any contacts who have contacts down this way, I'd appreciate if you could drop a few names my way. :)
I would also like to help you find areas to "steward" over. My job gives me access to some very sophisticated mapping software.
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My personal belief is Calgary. The rest of the province will follow our lead sooner than you think. We will see in a couple of years who is correct.
Bull - why are interest groups being sought out right now?
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I would also like to help you find areas to "steward" over. My job gives me access to some very sophisticated mapping software.
Sounds good. If you need ideas, I can get some from the guys who are actually native to this area (now, if you were looking to fish lobster off of Stanhope, PEI.....)
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I dont think I am in a position to answer all of the questions listed above this post, so dont rip my post apart if I get something wrong 8)
I can say that membership is a choice and its important for clubs to question their involvement in anything.. regardless of usership.
Before deciding to pay for something you are still questioning, perhaps we could work on a document for clubs to fill out that would provide us with feedback? Is that something you would be willing to fill out or work on?
At this point it is my understanding we (those working to get TLC active) have access to materials from TL USA, but have yet to decide if its applicable to the whole of Canada before working on ways to get it out ot the public.
As much as Id love to speak for TLC and our next steps, I dont think I should just yet ;) We are still trying to work with what we've got. The mandate is there and our hearts are in it more then you could ever know, but we have just as many questions as you do - maybe just different ones...?
To become a member at this time gives us the opportunity to grow, grow through funds that enable us to print/order/create reading materials, pay for paper/printers/ink or anything else that we need. More importantly it gives us the opportunity to grow with your feedback and grow through your support.
Corey, if you dont want to be a member, then simply choose not to be. You may not agree with what I say, but why not direct your statements to TLC directly? Why post it on a forum.. I hardly visit this forum and Im not sure how often Bear does. I just question how you would ever get your questions answered if no one's here to look?
(I came on here looking for a set of tires and stumbled on this.. lol)
When we signed up, we all agreed to meet the expectations stated on the website. What the website says is what we will do for you. I can not promise we will be at 100% operating capacity tomorrow, but i can promise we will do our best to meet the expectations voiced to us.
Although I understand and can appreciate the questions being posed, its hard to swallow the agression and frustration thats sometimes conveyed via internet...
Feel free to pose your questions, but perhaps ask us directly via Email after discussing it with the rest of your club or friends... at least give us the chance to talk about it first...
My Email: [email protected] (a local contact if you like)
Amanda
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The Bill 36 Open House is tonight, find out more information, schmooze and perhaps make contacts:
The May 14 Calgary session will be held at the Greenwood Inn and Suites, Evergreen D Room (3515-26 Street NE). The open houses run from 4 p.m. to 8 p.m.
More information on the Land Use Framework and Stewardship Act are at http://www.landuse.alberta.ca/ (http://www.landuse.alberta.ca/)
You guys need to go to this.
I realize it is late in the day BUT get there, and make sure the lady at the door taking names knows who you are, and who you represent, and what your club stands for. If you have to, tell her word for word why your group should be considered a stakeholder.
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If you have to, tell her word for word why your group should be considered a stakeholder.
Feel free to put words in our mouths here. :)
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I dont think I am in a position to answer all of the questions listed above this post, so dont rip my post apart if I get something wrong 8)
I can say that membership is a choice and its important for clubs to question their involvement in anything.. regardless of usership.
Before deciding to pay for something you are still questioning, perhaps we could work on a document for clubs to fill out that would provide us with feedback? Is that something you would be willing to fill out or work on?
At this point it is my understanding we (those working to get TLC active) have access to materials from TL USA, but have yet to decide if its applicable to the whole of Canada before working on ways to get it out ot the public.
As much as Id love to speak for TLC and our next steps, I dont think I should just yet ;) We are still trying to work with what we've got. The mandate is there and our hearts are in it more then you could ever know, but we have just as many questions as you do - maybe just different ones...?
To become a member at this time gives us the opportunity to grow, grow through funds that enable us to print/order/create reading materials, pay for paper/printers/ink or anything else that we need. More importantly it gives us the opportunity to grow with your feedback and grow through your support.
Corey, if you dont want to be a member, then simply choose not to be. You may not agree with what I say, but why not direct your statements to TLC directly? Why post it on a forum.. I hardly visit this forum and Im not sure how often Bear does. I just question how you would ever get your questions answered if no one's here to look?
(I came on here looking for a set of tires and stumbled on this.. lol)
When we signed up, we all agreed to meet the expectations stated on the website. What the website says is what we will do for you. I can not promise we will be at 100% operating capacity tomorrow, but i can promise we will do our best to meet the expectations voiced to us.
Although I understand and can appreciate the questions being posed, its hard to swallow the agression and frustration thats sometimes conveyed via internet...
Feel free to pose your questions, but perhaps ask us directly via Email after discussing it with the rest of your club or friends... at least give us the chance to talk about it first...
My Email: [email protected] (a local contact if you like)
Amanda
Go back and read what I have been saying. The SRD is in the process of taking names RIGHT NOW Amanda. What is TLC in Alberta? You and Bear?
If you are passionate about 4 wheeling in Alberta, pimping an American lobby group may not be the right choice for May 14, 2009. Especially when the SRD as an organization isn't affiliated with or recognizes the Tread Lightly group. There are reasons for that which I would be willing to go over with you via email.
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I'm not being aggressive. The fact remains that you will be marginalized if you choose to not become involved with a process that the government has already begun. Believe it.
Initially I went to SRD with the names of 60+ adults that my 4x4 club speaks for. I also had lists of the various industry contacts my club has. We attended every open house they had in our area. We put our names in to be stakeholders in the Land Use Framework. We met with them and went over maps for months. Over 400 emails poured in from our email campaign last month, from every corner of the province. The SRD knows who we are, what we want, and are including us in this process.
Like I am saying - I don't necessarily have a problem with your program - but the time for action is now, and if you have problems vocalizing your intent as an organization and cannot show a large membership base, any history of responsible backcountry use or promotion, or even a support base TODAY, how can you expect the government to take you seriously?
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Lastly, why should I care what you do - or do not do? The reason is I'm selfish - and the more 4x4 representatives that are on the 7 Regional Land Use Framework boards - the better my chances are of wheeling in the manner I want to 20-30-40 years from now.
I'm glad this is being spoken on a public forum.
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Feel free to put words in our mouths here. :)
Tell them you want to help promote and foster sustainable motorized backcountry use, within the guidelines of the Land Use Framework, by stewarding areas your group has historical and intimate knowledge of.
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I'm not being aggressive. The fact remains that you will be marginalized if you choose to not become involved with a process that the government has already begun. Believe it.
Initially I went to SRD with the names of 60+ adults that my 4x4 club speaks for. I also had lists of the various industry contacts my club has. We attended every open house they had in our area. We put our names in to be stakeholders in the Land Use Framework. We met with them and went over maps for months. Over 400 emails poured in from our email campaign last month, from every corner of the province. The SRD knows who we are, what we want, and are including us in this process.
Like I am saying - I don't necessarily have a problem with your program - but the time for action is now, and if you have problems vocalizing your intent as an organization and cannot show a large membership base, any history of responsible backcountry use or promotion, or even a support base TODAY, how can you expect the government to take you seriously?
I just got back from the meeting in Innisfail, and I'm very glad I went. As President of the Red Deer Jeep Packrats, I now have a standing invitation to drop into the Rocky Mountain SRD office to meet with them, discuss past history and issues, and go over maps in order to make suggestions and have discussions on the direction they will be taking in the Clearwater area. We don't necessarily agree on every issue, but THEY want US to come and meet with THEM. That, to me, is time well spent.
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I just got back from the meeting in Innisfail, and I'm very glad I went. As President of the Red Deer Jeep Packrats, I now have a standing invitation to drop into the Rocky Mountain SRD office to meet with them, discuss past history and issues, and go over maps in order to make suggestions and have discussions on the direction they will be taking in the Clearwater area. We don't necessarily agree on every issue, but THEY want US to come and meet with THEM. That, to me, is time well spent.
That is awesome, very cool. This is how it starts for your club.
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That is awesome, very cool. This is how it starts for your club.
Hopefully. There's some bad history between the jeeps and SRD in the Rocky area, so both sides are wary. However, both Robert (the guy I talked to) and myself weren't involved in it, although we know of it. That will hopefully get us past and moving forward.
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I just got back from the meeting in Innisfail, and I'm very glad I went. As President of the Red Deer Jeep Packrats, I now have a standing invitation to drop into the Rocky Mountain SRD office to meet with them, discuss past history and issues, and go over maps in order to make suggestions and have discussions on the direction they will be taking in the Clearwater area. We don't necessarily agree on every issue, but THEY want US to come and meet with THEM. That, to me, is time well spent.
Great job! Thats how it starts. Pick a small project SRD wants accoplisehd and build. Working to gether on a project helps to build comunication and gives the ASRD staff something to talk up to the supperiors. You lead and some of us from down south will come up to help.
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Great job! Thats how it starts. Pick a small project SRD wants accoplisehd and build. Working to gether on a project helps to build comunication and gives the ASRD staff something to talk up to the supperiors. You lead and some of us from down south will come up to help.
We'd appreciate that Blair. Seeing as you guys have pretty much lost most of your area, Clearwater county is the next closest thing.
Unfortunately, the same holds true for May Long trouble..... :(
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Corey.. my response to everyone's questions (not just yours) has now been taken out of text and turned into something negative. The point was missed, and now gone
.. I am fully aware of our 'situation' and what SRD is doing. But thank you for the reminder and push to get others to follow suit in what so many of us have been doing for years. TLC is not my first, nor my last venture. If you consider yourself truly involved.. Id think you knew who was speaking and just how much I have done and continue to do for you as well as others.
I question you and your level of understanding on issues outside your area when you question my passion or dedication.... however... should you need help in applying for TFA's, organizing and or developing projects in your area, or ever need help seaking out volunteers or applying for grants, I would be willing to help you and your club.
Myself and a few others have been working very well with SRD in this area. In doing so we have learned a lot and developed positive and personal relationships with many people. Not only that, but as volunteers, we have been successful in every project we have taken on.
If you like, there is a website available (for FREE) that provides users/volunteers with information on how they can become more involved and who is doing what... that website is www.abprojects.org.
With hard work, dedication and donations from people who just want to help, that simple website has proven to be one of the most useful tools (to some) to get information about what projects are being done in Alberta, as well as who is doing those projects and why.
I hope you will take that information and use it as well.
In saying that, Im not overly willing to visit this topic again, sorry.
Amanda
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Corey.. my response to everyone's questions (not just yours) has now been taken out of text and turned into something negative. The point was missed, and now gone
.. I am fully aware of our 'situation' and what SRD is doing. But thank you for the reminder and push to get others to follow suit in what so many of us have been doing for years. TLC is not my first, nor my last venture. If you consider yourself truly involved.. Id think you knew who was speaking and just how much I have done and continue to do for you as well as others.
I question you and your level of understanding on issues outside your area when you question my passion or dedication.... however... should you need help in applying for TFA's, organizing and or developing projects in your area, or ever need help seaking out volunteers or applying for grants, I would be willing to help you and your club.
Myself and a few others have been working very well with SRD in this area. In doing so we have learned a lot and developed positive and personal relationships with many people. Not only that, but as volunteers, we have been successful in every project we have taken on.
If you like, there is a website available (for FREE) that provides users/volunteers with information on how they can become more involved and who is doing what... that website is www.abprojects.org.
With hard work, dedication and donations from people who just want to help, that simple website has proven to be one of the most useful tools (to some) to get information about what projects are being done in Alberta, as well as who is doing those projects and why.
I hope you will take that information and use it as well.
In saying that, Im not overly willing to visit this topic again, sorry.
Amanda
I'm not questioning your dedication. I'm questioning the need for the Tread Lightly organization. Nothing personal, relax.
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Sorry to hear that Amanda.
Well they said they had about 110 total visitors to the meeting. Indeed, they "took names", but mainly for mailouts, however it does get the name into the system. There was a lot of literature there, much of which is not available online. I had the contact person and information pointed out to me to obtain more copies if necessary.
However, and this is more pertinent, a discussion "broke out" about the Bill, the Plan, The Stewardship group, how things are progressing (and aren't) and where the blockages are. This involved some fairly high level staff from SRD, but there were two of us from different 4x4 groups (Gunther was the other fellow) doing mostly listening, one guy from mostly a quad group doing most of the talking and a lady who didn't reveal her affiliation, but who made a few poignant points.
I provided some input, but it became clear that being more active in providing input that we are willing to play "Win-Win" and do reclamation as well as trail maintenance etc. etc. will go a long ways toward creating goodwill with the other groups who have a knee-jerk reaction to anything to do with opening more trails due to founded and unfounded concerns. Addressing and allaying those concerns will go a *long* way towards getting their "yes". Perhaps that is where TLC may play a role, who knows.
Oh and before I forget, while other areas started before Ghost and while it is not "official", Ghost is way ahead and is pretty much becoming the example upon which much of the rest of the provinces' areas will be patterned. Don't forget also that Alberta is leading in this initiative as well. Let's get it together and do this as right as we can because the impact goes way beyond us. (And we could get the blame if it goes horribly wrong!!)
'Nuff for now, I'm too tired to make sense anymore! :P
Please tell me you weren't the person that came into the conversation midway and kept answering the cell phone, as well as making calls without moving away from the group.
:D
Anyway, that person from ASRD was Rick Blackwood, Todd the guy with the name label was a government spokesman who brought over and introduced a single track user. I pretty much had visited with Rick for a while prior to them coming over. Said what I wanted to say and heard more of the things that still didn't convince me to jump onto the wagon of stewardship projects. Lack of trust for anything new. Everything is way too slow moving in trails being added, with all the different organizations being formed and no one of them moving along with any great speed. If I had kids I'd probably be more involved still if there was a future for kids and kids kids because that's about the time they might end up adding one trail. (or not) ::)
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Please tell me you weren't the person that came into the conversation midway and kept answering the cell phone, as well as making calls without moving away from the group.
:D
Anyway, that person from ASRD was Rick Blackwood, Todd the guy with the name label was a government spokesman who brought over and introduced a single track user. I pretty much had visited with Rick for a while prior to them coming over. Said what I wanted to say and heard more of the things that still didn't convince me to jump onto the wagon of stewardship projects. Lack of trust for anything new. Everything is way too slow moving in trails being added, with all the different organizations being formed and no one of them moving along with any great speed. If I had kids I'd probably be more involved still if there was a future for kids and kids kids because that's about the time they might end up adding one trail. (or not) ::)
Hopefully you drink beer Gunther. I'd like to have one, or five, with you at ACE.
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Question for Amanda. Does TLC have the support of the US branch of Tread Lightly? If you do, there should be significant resources that can be drawn from. From what I understand the US organization has a large member base, large scale resources and deep pockets. If you do not have the ability to draw from these resources and are simply trying to start it up here, there is probably no point at this time.
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Bull - why are interest groups being sought out right now?
The Government is really good at making it "appear" they care about your input and then doing whatever they please......
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Ayup that was me and that was my wife on the phone who wanted to try to hear the conversation, but who took our 4 year old son to the restaurant because he would have totally annihilated the conversation (certainly much more so than the cellphone). I apologize for the interruptions. Won't happen again. Thank god birthdays only come once a year. Yes, we went to the meeting on my wife's birthday.
At least you showed up, expressed your opinion and explored your options. Kudos for that. Who else did? How many of the 110 people or so were others from our interest group? Who here talks the talk, but won't walk the walk? Actions speak much louder than words.
This meeting was about the LAW which will affect other LAWS which is intended to give the plans teeth. We've seen government plans and programs that are flash-in-the-pan things and this may turn out to be that in enough time, but I don't think so, not after major changes are made to the various acts. This takes long-term vision, not short-term instant gratification thinking. Alas, I realize long-term isn't very common in our society at this point.
I understand people's frustration with the process etc., but how long did it take for people like Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King to make changes? It's still going on in places!
Does that mean that they should have given up?
Does that mean that people who don't have kids should give up on kids in general?
If they had given up like some people on this board are obviously doing, would anything have changed?
Isn't it much more productive to try to grease those sticking spots and keep things moving than to just say the machine seized?
Isn't what we are fighting for worth it?
I see problems, I see issues and I see that this may or may not take a while. Not participating in the process pretty much says "Ok, C'mon and close my trails, I give up". Now if the nay-sayers were creating a strong, focused group opposing this legislation, that would be a different matter, not that I think you'd have much success with that.
The process has been going on for much longer than I've been an active offroader and I admit, I didn't do my due-diligence, I did a bunch of putting my head into the sand and I've avoided playing the political game most of my life. I have come to the realization that my strategy has been wholly ineffective and I'm trying to learn the ins and outs on the fast-track.
I'm extremely disappointed at the attendance at these last two functions. From all the hot air going around, I expected more. Perhaps I can find a group to join who actually walks the walk so that I can come up to speed and be more useful and effective sooner rather than later and hopefully leave a legacy for my son.
CJA or TNT would be happy to have you I am sure.
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From what I was told last night, SRD right now is willing to work with groups. However, there is always the possibility that someone higher up who doesn't like jeeps, atv's, etc will jump in and say "No. Cut them out of the process and block all access for xxxxxx." That cuts off the guys you are working with.
Then I was told that unfortunately, a LOT of what happend in the south areas around Calgary was political, and made because of political decisions instead of due process. And once it is done, it is VERY hard to reverse.
So yeah...Calgary area is screwed right now. And will be for a while, but THANK GOD for people like Blair and the others who have been trying to reforge a relationship with SRD. It might take a long while, but if they weren't working right now, it would take even longer.
So yeah, we'll be trying to influence things up here in a positive way instead of trying to reverse the process. But just because things happened south, it doesn't mean the rest of us in the province should give up.
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From what I was told last night, SRD right now is willing to work with groups. However, there is always the possibility that someone higher up who doesn't like jeeps, atv's, etc will jump in and say "No. Cut them out of the process and block all access for xxxxxx." That cuts off the guys you are working with.
Then I was told that unfortunately, a LOT of what happend in the south areas around Calgary was political, and made because of political decisions instead of due process. And once it is done, it is VERY hard to reverse.
So yeah...Calgary area is screwed right now. And will be for a while, but THANK GOD for people like Blair and the others who have been trying to reforge a relationship with SRD. It might take a long while, but if they weren't working right now, it would take even longer.
So yeah, we'll be trying to influence things up here in a positive way instead of trying to reverse the process. But just because things happened south, it doesn't mean the rest of us in the province should give up.
Well put. My local SRD guys pimp us around all the time - they love TNT.
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Optimism...
i had some of that for a while. Than i lost it.
But, time went by and my bitterness slowly ground down to frustration.
So, i decided to go do the NOHVCC training and realized that we are done.
There are no trails that will meet the 'standards' of NOHVCC without a TON of work.
The CJA bridge projects would be considered an EASY task compared to the work needed to get 4x4 trails opened again.
And it gets better (roll eyes!)
They have officially announced the group of people (Regional Advisory Council - RAC) that will be recommending to the SRD on how to implement the Land Use Framework for most of Southern Alberta. The official area is known as South Saskatchewan.
There is NO ONE on that council that has any ties to ANY OHV user group.
News release
May 13, 2009
New council will tackle land use, population, water issues in southern Alberta
South Saskatchewan Regional Advisory Council to advise government
Edmonton… The new South Saskatchewan Regional Advisory Council (RAC) will look at key issues such as water, land use and population growth as it provides advice to the Alberta government to develop a regional plan under the Land-use Framework.
The South Saskatchewan Region ranges from the town of Crossfield in the north to Montana, and from the B.C. border to Saskatchewan. The region includes Calgary, Lethbridge and Medicine Hat. Approximately half of Alberta’s population lives in this region of the province.
The plan will build on work started with the Water for Life strategy, the Provincial Energy Strategy, the Alberta Plan for Parks, the Rural Development Strategy and the draft Calgary Regional Partnership metropolitan plan.
“Rapid population growth and water use are the key issues before the South Saskatchewan Regional Advisory Council,” said Sustainable Resource Development Minister Ted Morton. “We have to be smarter about our future growth. Now is the time to manage the impact on our landscapes and watersheds.”
Eighteen members representing municipal and provincial bodies, industry and environmental perspectives have been appointed so far to the South Saskatchewan RAC. Government is awaiting a member from Treaty 7 First Nations and is holding a seat on the RAC for this member. Rob Penny, an Alberta Environment assistant deputy minister, will chair the council.
The South Saskatchewan RAC is the second council established for the seven land-use planning regions across Alberta. The Lower Athabasca council was announced in December 2008. The remaining five will be phased in by the end of 2011.
Once approved, the regional plans will provide the direction for land and natural resource use in all of the regions and help Alberta better balance its economic development with social and environmental values.
The Land-use Framework is available at www.landuse.alberta.ca.
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Backgrounder: South Saskatchewan RAC members
Media inquiries may be directed to:
Dave Ealey
Sustainable Resource Development
780-427-8636
[email protected]
To call toll-free within Alberta dial 310-0000.
May 13, 2009
South Saskatchewan Regional Advisory Council members
The Regional Advisory Councils, under the Land-use Framework, will provide the Government of Alberta with advice in the development of regional plans. The members of the South Saskatchewan Regional Advisory Council are as follows.
Rob Penny
Council Chair
Assistant Deputy Minister
Environmental Management
Alberta Environment
Edmonton
Stanley A. Church
Council Vice Chair
Partner
Beaumont Church LLP
Calgary
Jay Bartsch
Former Field Operations Manager
Southern Alberta region
Ducks Unlimited Canada
Brooks
Linda Bruce
Mayor
City of Airdrie
Chair, Calgary Regional
Partnership
Airdrie
Lisa Maria Fox
Founder and Executive Director
Sustainability Resources Ltd.
Cochrane
Wolf Keller
Director of Water Resources
City of Calgary
Calgary
John Kerkhoven
Manager Stakeholder Relations
North American Natural Gas, Petro-Canada
Calgary
Georgina Knitel
President and Partner
Rowland Seeds International Inc.
Lethbridge
Leah C. Lawrence
President
Clean Energy Capitalists Inc.
Calgary
Gord Lehn
Woodlands Manager
Spray Lakes Sawmills Ltd.
Cochrane
Hugh Lynch-Staunton
Owner
Antelope Butte Ranch Ltd.
Lundbreck
Ron McMullin
Executive Director
Alberta Irrigation Projects
Association
Lethbridge
Ralph Nelson
Councillor
Municipal District of Foothills
High River
Greg Sekura
Councillor
Municipal District of Taber
Taber
John E. Squarek
President and CEO
Oasis Energy Inc.
Lethbridge
Bill Szabon
Councillor
Town of Nanton
Nanton
Daniel J. Smith, QC
Barrister and Solicitor
Gordon, Smith & Company
Medicine Hat
Kevin Van Tighem
Superintendent, Banff Field Unit
Parks Canada Agency
Government of Canada
Banff
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Nice tread highjack ::)
this tread is way off topic..please stay on the Tread Lighttly topic or start another tread ...
I will delete any post future post off topic.
Thank you guys
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Yeah, it was way off topic before i posted.
i never saw the info i posted before and as this thread started crappin on Tread Lightly a few pages back,
i thought it was important to get the info out that RCA trumps anything Tread Lightly, ASRD, AOHVA, GMSG,
SGC,CJA,RMDRA,AURS, A4WDA, etc etc etc has to say about trail future.
But maybe we can come up with more acronyms and task forces to keep trails open?
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no worries Tom.. not picking on you...
I think there is only 5 posts on Tread Lightly on 6 pages of posts ::)
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Back on the topic of Tread Lightly Canada....
Incase anyone is interested in becoming a member, they don't have a bank account set up yet and that is why you can't sign up on their website just yet. I was told it would be a couple weeks until they get everything set up.
We are going to become a "retailer member" as soon as we're able to sign up. I, for one, fully support Tread Lightly & am happy to see a Canadian division.
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Tread Lightly is world wide now.
I read in a UK mag about them setting up there and Australia.
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The current SRD culture doesn't include "Tread Lightly", and the program is looked upon as being in conflict with their own program.
Could you elaborate on that specific part of this please? It sounds like you are saying that they think Tread Lightly is going against what they are trying to accomplish.
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Could you elaborate on that specific part of this please? It sounds like you are saying that they think Tread Lightly is going against what they are trying to accomplish.
No not necessarily against - I am pretty sure they view it as an American institution, primarily funded by special interest groups.
I have heard several of the SRD guys I know well refer to "Respect the Land" as a made in Alberta.
We have a huge SRD presence in our area due to the enormous volume of oil and gas development.
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Ok
I have watched this long enough and now have something to say.
One – Tread Lightly CANADA is going to be nation wide and should in theory work along side any other government programs, Alberta, Ontario, Nova Scotia or the Yukon.
This is going to be the same hear as it is 4 days drive east, Canada is a big area remember. Largest country in the world in land mass.
Two – I have never heard of Respect the Land, I Goggled it and got Food network stuff, a map of Alberta sowing different Provencal parks are nothing about the program, then finally 10 options in, a PDF file with a 7 page panflit taking about random camping and bear safety. We all know the government is not handing out much money for programs, Trade Lightly and its Corporate donations will have a bigger bugget, and using volunteers will get the word out more what is wrong with that.
Three – steward ship is the way of the future, I do not deny that. You are acting like nothing is been done down hear but there is. Your area was the first in Alberta, Congratulations. We have a lot of issues and added complications compared to where you are, a big one is burnt bridges to be mended, which is happening. We also have a much larger user base with every interest and option out their. It is coming it is just going to take longer.
In conclusion instead of fighting something that is coming and you can not stop. Why don’t you work with it? If SRD has such an issue with a program that is internationally known preaching the same thing they are why don’t they throw some money at there program so more will know about it. I guarantee that I am not the only person to have never heard of the program until you brought it up hear. Also if SRD fells it is not relevant that is fine. That dose not mean it is a bad thing.
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I am well aware of CJA's huge contribution to enhancing the current level of backcountry access in the Calgary area, and yes you guys have specific challenges. A massive population on the doorstep of the wheeling areas certainly doesn't help.
Challenges aside, the CJA pretty much is what our club aspires to FYI.
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I grew up in Calgary, we went wheeling in the Ghost/Waiparous and Maclean areas for years before moving North. Even 15 years ago those places were being abused, we would shake our heads at what we saw there. I'm amazed it actually stayed open like that for as long as it did.
I remember seeing the White Knight crew when they drove a fairly stock white Blazer, back when we thought a Jeep on 33's was pretty badass.
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Tread Lightly Canada is now s now excepting membership though PayPal.
I will let you know now they are not sending out the care packages like the US dose. The funds are not in place to facilitate that yet.
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I wish I had the money to get in on some of that stuff.. Tread Lightly is a good Organization..
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The loggers aren't Treading So Lightly in Waiparous >:(
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The website For Tread Lightly Canada Has been Launched!!!
http://www.treadlightlycanada.ca/
Check it out!!
Bear
Is there something wrong with the website?
I keep getting this:
Error 403 - Forbidden
You tried to access a document for which you don't have privileges
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their website is toast. expired most likely
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same here
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Are they going to have a new website or is the Canadian version of Tread Lightly just dying out? :o
Our club actually move ahead and joined Tread Lightly this year to help promote responsible off-roading as well, I am not that happy to see the site has expired.
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You guys probably joined the US based Tread Lightly. The Canadian one dyed off because there was not enough interest in people running it and more not enough money to get it off the ground.
They also had lots f other political issues as well as Governments not to interested in the program due to most provinces have some kind of tread lightly program. Alberta is Respect the Land and it is underfunded and is hard to get info on. It is also more set up for hikers and quaders.
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BaZing
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You guys probably joined the US based Tread Lightly. The Canadian one dyed off because there was not enough interest in people running it and more not enough money to get it off the ground.
They also had lots f other political issues as well as Governments not to interested in the program due to most provinces have some kind of tread lightly program. Alberta is Respect the Land and it is underfunded and is hard to get info on. It is also more set up for hikers and quaders.
Actually you are right; I was looking into it a bit today and we are signed up with the American Tread Lightly. I was thinking were were signed up with the Canadian one because our club name wasn't mentioned on the US site; we got the welcome package and everything so we are inquiring into why our club isn't listed now.
That is a bit of a shame that we missed out on supporting the Canadian Tread Lightly though :'(