Calgary Jeep Association
4x4 Related Groups => General Talk => Topic started by: 4PLAYZJ on February 04, 2010, 09:31:48 PM
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You hang a large furnace like this by yourself , using a ladder & a tranny jack on top of scaffolding ;D
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w290/adrc/garage/DSC03919-1.jpg)
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;D
I won't show some of the stupider things I did when I was younger.....
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Whatever works and as long as you have all your fingers.
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did someone say tranny jack?
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Rednecks don't have big tranny jacks and scaffolding. They'd use a rope hooked to the bumper of their pick up, threaded through holes that they shot in the rafters. You were just being ingenuous with decent tool at hand
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-Takes cowboy hat off-
I won't mention how I do a lot of things. ;)
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Would you mind giving the run down on that shop? Height inside, type of trusses, etc. More pics would be awesome. I'm hoping to find a new house this summer that I can build a shop at and am collecting ideas for the build.
I definatly like the pony wall, how high is it? 24"?
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did someone say tranny jack?
I saw that on a website once... :o
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yes you can borrow the tranny jack Al ;)
Here are some pics of the build. The total size will be 43 x 26 when finished. The size in the pics is 30 x 26. I poured the foundation all at once but I am building it in two peices due to moula & permitting issues. I used an engineeered roof system because I got the TGI for cheap & it is a good way to fit a hoist in the garage & still meet the city's 15' maximum garage height.
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This part was even more redneck than the furnace, who needs a crane ;D
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That's pretty much what I want to do, something high enough for a hoist. Did the roof system cost much extra? What is TGI?
Thanks for the pics.
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TGI - Tongue & Groove I-Beam
The ridge beam was close to $900 delivered it is four 18" x 1.75" x 30' peices of LVL
The rest of the roof system would normally be close to $2800
I bought a couple of frieght lifts of the TGI's for cheap so it was alot less for me.
If you have the time it will be alot cheaper(just a pain in the butt) to get a development permit to build taller walls. I didn't want to wait the 8+ weeks it would take to get the permit.
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Did you price out in floor heat? I have it in my garage now and don't think I could live with out.
How are you going to add the extra 13ft? Lean to off the back and just use it for separate workshop?
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I didnt price in floor heat because I know it is very costly & I would not see a return on it in the neibourhood I live in if I ever sell my house(already close to the top of the price bracket)
The 13 foot add on will have a roof built with the same design but the walls will be dropped 9.5". It will just look like a step in the roof not a sloped roof.
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probably a good idea not to put in floor heat cause when you go to install a hoist you could damage your heating system when you drill into the floor and that would suck. trust me this has happened to a friend not a fun repair.
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Sorry gotta pipe in on the topic:
TGI is not Tongue and Groove I - Beam. Though that is a good one! TGI is just the bad pronounciation of TJI, though the Tongue and Groove kinda makes sense.
Was in the Engineered wood business for a lot of years and even helped design the joists and the machines that produced your roof rafters.
The correct term is TJI (Truss Joist I - Joist), though that is like calling a bandage a Band-Aid. Just the common usage is all, as Truss Joist pretty much invented the engineered wood I-joist.
Those rafters are actually NJ12's produced by the now defunct Nascor Inc., at least I hope they are at least NJ12's (11 7/8" depth). I can only guess why you got them at a good deal. ;)
Sorry, way off topic. Garage looks good though.
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Sorry gotta pipe in on the topic:
TGI is not Tongue and Groove I - Beam. Though that is a good one! TGI is just the bad pronounciation of TJI, though the Tongue and Groove kinda makes sense.
Was in the Engineered wood business for a lot of years and even helped design the joists and the machines that produced your roof rafters.
The correct term is TJI (Truss Joist I - Joist), though that is like calling a bandage a Band-Aid. Just the common usage is all, as Truss Joist pretty much invented the engineered wood I-joist.
Those rafters are actually NJ12's produced by the now defunct Nascor Inc., at least I hope they are at least NJ12's (11 7/8" depth). I can only guess why you got them at a good deal. ;)
Sorry, way off topic. Garage looks good though.
Thanks for the info, nothing worse than using the wrong terms. The guy I bought my kitchen package from called them TGI's. I used NJ10's but that is why the spacing for the roof is 16"o/c instead of 24. The Nj 10's did not carry enough live/dead load at 24"/13.5' span for our possible snow loads here. Think I will have probs with the 16" centres on a 13.5' span with 2x4 furring strapped to the top?
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probably a good idea not to put in floor heat cause when you go to install a hoist you could damage your heating system when you drill into the floor and that would suck. trust me this has happened to a friend not a fun repair.
Dilling into a heated floor is actually VERY easy. You just need to locate the tubes first. I've done it a few times on mine. I use an infrared heat gun and with it can tell EXACTLY where the tubes are.
Also if you are building a new garage you can always lay the heating coils out so they leave room for where the future hoist will be or if you have the hoist already you could even set in anchors when being poured.
Drilling into a heated floor and not knowing where the coils are is asking for trouble....
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Don't worry, everyone calls them TGI's. It just always bugged me.
Sounds like you have built it right. The 2x4 strapping is the best thing you could have done. Not only does it offer strength, but it will give you air flow if you insulate your ceiling (which is probably a better way to spend your money than even the overhead heater).
Did you put a chamfered ledger on your top cap plate? Cutting birdsmouths into the joist normally isn't a good idea.
What about your overhang, do you scab on 2x4's and extend them out?
not that any of that really matters.
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Sorry gotta pipe in on the topic:
TGI is not Tongue and Groove I - Beam. Though that is a good one! TGI is just the bad pronounciation of TJI, though the Tongue and Groove kinda makes sense.
Was in the Engineered wood business for a lot of years and even helped design the joists and the machines that produced your roof rafters.
The correct term is TJI (Truss Joist I - Joist), though that is like calling a bandage a Band-Aid. Just the common usage is all, as Truss Joist pretty much invented the engineered wood I-joist.
Those rafters are actually NJ12's produced by the now defunct Nascor Inc., at least I hope they are at least NJ12's (11 7/8" depth). I can only guess why you got them at a good deal. ;)
Sorry, way off topic. Garage looks good though.
Ok, well now I know who just volunteered to help me design my next Garage!!
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Don't worry, everyone calls them TGI's. It just always bugged me.
Sounds like you have built it right. The 2x4 strapping is the best thing you could have done. Not only does it offer strength, but it will give you air flow if you insulate your ceiling (which is probably a better way to spend your money than even the overhead heater).
Did you put a chamfered ledger on your top cap plate? Cutting birdsmouths into the joist normally isn't a good idea.
What about your overhang, do you scab on 2x4's and extend them out?
not that any of that really matters.
I used a chanfered ledger on the top plates with 2x10 outrigger system with a 2x10 fascia board. I know it is over kill but we plan to stay in this house. The 2x4 strapping was an afterthought. I was about to start sheeting the roof and realized that the engineered plans had a flaw, no ventilation. So my choice was to use halfway ridge vents with less insulation, which are pricey & I could not find a place that stocked them or just fur up the roof to create an air gap at the top & use a regular ridge vent.
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i love TJI's!!!
i use them for my ramps to get the bike in and out of my truck. They are soooo cheap compared to 'real' ramps.
it cost me $24 for (2) 8foot TJI's.
sorry for the hijack. NICE garage!
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/Spinalguy/Berg/d288d8dd.jpg)
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Now there is a fitting post for a topic named "You know you are a redneck when......"