Calgary Jeep Association
4x4 Related Groups => General Talk => Topic started by: BlackYJ on May 12, 2010, 07:48:53 AM
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So I see in the paper with morning that the government is imposing a liquor ban in National, Provincial and Public Lands starting May long weekend and it looks like McLean and Waiporous are included in the ban.
It will definitely be interesting to see how this works out for them this year
http://www.calgaryherald.com/travel/Alberta+joins+liquor+national+provincial+parks+long+weekend/3016321/story.html (http://www.calgaryherald.com/travel/Alberta+joins+liquor+national+provincial+parks+long+weekend/3016321/story.html)
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So I see in the paper with morning that the government is imposing a liquor ban in National, Provincial and Public Lands starting May long weekend and it looks like McLean and Waiporous are included in the ban.
It will definitely be interesting to see how this works out for them this year
http://www.calgaryherald.com/travel/Alberta+joins+liquor+national+provincial+parks+long+weekend/3016321/story.html (http://www.calgaryherald.com/travel/Alberta+joins+liquor+national+provincial+parks+long+weekend/3016321/story.html)
In the article it said that they are not included in the ban. That is too bad. Wish they would have been. Hope there other enforcement level is high this year.
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Quote from link.
"That means liquor will still be allowed in high-use public areas like Waiparous and McLean Creek."
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Perfect. That wont make things worse in mclean and waiparous at all.........................
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Perfect. That wont make things worse in mclean and waiparous at all.........................
What Bill said.
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Quote from link.
"That means liquor will still be allowed in high-use public areas like Waiparous and McLean Creek."
I missed that line this morning, oops. I had not finished my morning coffee. Thats GAY!!!
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you almost gave Nathan a heart attack
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Sounds like they are trying to send all the rowdys out into the bush so they have an excuse to close it all.
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Last year they did a great job enforcing, lots of check stops lots of booze poored out and licence plates were recorded at rowdy messy campsites. Warnings were given to the messy campers that if they did not clean up a fine will be given to vehicle owners.
There was little to no clean up last year.
I'm sure this year will be even stricter.
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Last year they did a great job enforcing, lots of check stops lots of booze poored out and licence plates were recorded at rowdy messy campsites. Warnings were given to the messy campers that if they did not clean up a fine will be given to vehicle owners.
they did that at IG too........... worked great. quote from the kids that burnt the car 'man, we spent 2500 on booze for this weekend, frack a 150$ ticket'
granted last year was a lot better....... i also think it'll be stricter this year and am all for it. i would also support a booze ban. i can give up one weekend for a summer of wheelin.......
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Im 20 and I hate most of the kids out there. This will be our (my friends and I) 6th year and it just gets worse every year. Last year there must have been 400 cops, but that stopped very little. This ban is just forcing the rejects to mclean and waiporous....if theyre going to ban the boose it has to be done everywhere. I love sitting around the campfire with a beer after wheeling around a bit, but now im scared to take my jeep to mclean on may long.... my 2cents
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Here is how i see it. IF you ban drinking on long weekends at a few troublesome areas, than the troublesome people
will go elsewhere.
Did you notice the increased traffic in Maclean after they severely restricted access to the Ghost for 4x4's?
Did you notice the increased traffic even more after Indian Graves SEVERELY restricted random camping and banned 4x4's?
So, lets say they ban drinking at Waiporous, Maclean, and Indian Graves on long weekends. WHERE do you thing the people that enjoy drinking, camping and recreating will than go?
THEY WILL GO TO LESSER KNOWN LOCATIONS .
Hmmmmm...
INCREASED traffic to areas that allow drinking will increase USE of trails which will CLOSE the SECRET areas even quicker... this is not good at all.
Also, looking at Maclean over the last 2 years with bike and 4x4 clubs cleaning up after May Long, has seen a DRASTIC decline in garbage and overall reported hooliganism. Ask SRD, do not believe the MEDIA fenzy ::) People in a huge majority are respecting the areas we now have left. 8)
Eventually, a ban here and there will equal a ban everywhere, but not before the increased traffic and MEDIA causes some very pristine areas to have severely restricted access to trails ...
One of the things i and many Albertans enjoy is camping, recreating, eating and drinking on Long Weekends. There is NOTHING wrong with that. Banning it does nothing but push the problem elsewhere.
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I don't drink so it doesn't affect me. How I see it though is like 4 wheeling. They couldn't/wouldn't enforce the laws that were currently in place, public got upset, so as a knee jerk reaction they over compensated and banned the whole thing.
Being intoxicated in public is illegal, go in there in mass force and start hauling people off to the drunk tank when they start to get rowdy. Make people start being accountable for their actions. Don't punish everyone....
I heard a war vet on the radio who was deeply offended that he couldn't have a glass of wine after dinner while camping in the park. He fought to preserve rights and now this is how he is treated. I can see his point of view.....
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people are just plain ridiculus... the hooligans and the government.
I go every year after may long to picking Garbage and Last year was one of the best. You know it's good when Global sends a reporter, film all day and they don't air the anything on the news. They were looking for a story to add gas to the fire... didn't work so well.
They can close the back country for May long as far as i'm concern because I use it ALL YEAR AROUND and 1 week-end won't kill me...if it saves our trails from closing.
Do you think it's the plan of the SRD to ban boose in the parks so it gets worst in Waiporous and Maclean? The ban is federal but usually the province follows after... it would be sad if it's the case.
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Remember last year at this time? Same rumour about a drinking ban at McLean - people gave their opinions, some got their shorts twisted in a knot over the debate. Turns out it was a non-issue, there was no drinking ban, people generally behaved and there was very little garbage to clean up. I enjoy a few to several drinks around the campfire and I'm glad there are still a few places where we can enjoy the outdoors and like any civilized society imbibe in alittle alcohol on our time off :) ;)
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If it were civilized Tom, it wouldnt take 500 enforcement officers to keep the area from being destroyed.
I love it that so much of the government budget goes to wrangling drunks on the long weekends isntead of into pro active back country projects.
All so a few civilized folks can "imbibe in a little alchohol".
Pathetic
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Bill there is always going to be a few bad apples in the barrel, some are idiots and some choose to be an idiot. Thankfully they're a minority. The actions of these idiots shouldn't dictate the liberties of the majority. The vast majority of OHV users are civilized from my limited observations (I was camping/wheeling/cleaning up at McLean last May Long), maybe you are hanging out with the wrong crowd and have a different impression. 500 officiers at McLean? I saw a note from one but I didn't see any in person, I'm sure there must have been some around. Like some of the previous posts implied, the vast majority of campers had some fun, drank some booze and still managed to act in a civilized manner, and cleaned up their garbage when they left. Things have gotten better, you wanted more enforcement to control the idiots/rowdies, there is more enforcement and word has probably gotten out that bad behviour won't be tolerated. Yeah it too bad some people need to be policed to behave and it does cost for that enforcement. The majority rules in a democratic society, we need more backcountry education, we need enforcement and the vast majority and the idiots get to imbibe in alittle/alot of alcohol on their May Long at McLean, if you break the rules you risk getting caught. I'm OK with that.
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Booze and gasoline doesnt mix. To me, the bans are backwards.
The off road areas should be booze banned, and the regular camping areas should be open for folks to "partake".
Why you would ban the majority of respectable campers from a glass of wine at their monitored campsite, yet allow back country motorized users to drink simply makes no sense.
I dont hang out with partiers Tom. Im a grown man with two children. The last thing you will ever find me doing is hanging out with a bunch a drunks. I had my fill growing up thanks.
Argue all you want. You will never convince me that the public display of drunkeness in a motorized off road area is a good idea. There are camp grounds, and group camps all over alberta set aside for that kind of thing.
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The park bans are to try and stop the high school kids from demolishing the parks and being roudy around the regular campers/park customers. Imagine owning a cabin at a park and every year dealing with a bunch of drunk kids on May long tearing up your park, keeping your kids up till 4 in the morning with yelling and load music. It's not cool. Unfortulately everyone gets hit by the ban, I'm all for it. You're right though Bill, they should ban it in the off-road areas too.
It's like a game to these kids, see what they can do in one park. If they get kicked out see if they can get into another one and continue on. May long is their reason to go out and get carried away.
It was like that for years at the regional park my folks have a cabin at. Last year it was more quiet though which was nice. Didn't have to worry about someone trying to break into cabins to find more booze or kids racing down the park roads.
I think the bans for May long are necessary.
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The park bans are to try and stop the high school kids from demolishing the parks and being roudy around the regular campers/park customers. Imagine owning a cabin at a park and every year dealing with a bunch of drunk kids on May long tearing up your park, keeping your kids up till 4 in the morning with yelling and load music. It's not cool. Unfortulately everyone gets hit by the ban, I'm all for it. You're right though Bill, they should ban it in the off-road areas too.
It's like a game to these kids, see what they can do in one park. If they get kicked out see if they can get into another one and continue on. May long is their reason to go out and get carried away.
It was like that for years at the regional park my folks have a cabin at. Last year it was more quiet though which was nice. Didn't have to worry about someone trying to break into cabins to find more booze or kids racing down the park roads.
I think the bans for May long are necessary.
Very well put Dac.
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It's funny....this goes way farther than just the OHV and camping areas. We've got property out in the Shuswap, and we get the long weekend idiots on the house boats all weekend, and usually the week before and after. There is a federal ban on drinking and boating, but people still do it just as much as driving (maybe even more). This sucks as they're up all night with music blaring, roaring fires, garbage on the beach and in the water, and even fire works shot off at random times of the night.
I do agree that those responsible people who want to have a drink while sitting around their RV's, campfires, etc shouldn't be punished...but anywhere were there is operation of any type of vehicle or other equipment it should be regulated/enforced.
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Hey, I live in downtown Sylvan...same thing, including gunshots if we have an interesting night.
They're going to drink everywhere, but I'm all for a ban in 4x4 areas.
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I'm all for a ban of anyone under 30 being let out of the house unsurpervised on weekends, but hey we know that's not going to happen.
I guess the next step is to enforce the laws we have in place to combat drugs, booze, and general distruction that goes along with our society, and make those laws stick in the courts. But hey, you know that's not going happen either. If you don't have the man power to enforce the existing laws then where are you going to get the man power to enforce an all out ban?
Being intoxicated in public is also a law they can use as far as I'm concerned. Unless of course you don't class crown government land as public.
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I'm all for a ban of anyone under 30 being let out of the house unsurpervised on weekends, but hey we know that's not going to happen.
I guess the next step is to enforce the laws we have in place to combat drugs, booze, and general distruction that goes along with our society, and make those laws stick in the courts. But hey, you know that's not going happen either. If you don't have the man power to enforce the existing laws then where are you going to get the man power to enforce an all out ban?
Being intoxicated in public is also a law they can use as far as I'm concerned. Unless of course you don't class crown government land as public.
agreed.
except for the under 30 ban, cause there's people over 30 being idiots too.
There should just be a ban on dumb-asses no matter what their age is.
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There should just be a ban on dumb-asses no matter what their age is.
and "Stupid should hurt"
this would solve all the worlds problems
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and "Stupid should hurt"
this would solve all the worlds problems
As would removing safety warnings:
(http://www.guy-sports.com/fun_pictures/be_safe.jpg)
(http://www.guy-sports.com/fun_pictures/danger_chainsaw.jpg)
(http://www.guy-sports.com/fun_pictures/run_walls.jpg)
(http://www.guy-sports.com/fun_pictures/flashlight.jpg)
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agreed.
except for the under 30 ban, cause there's people over 30 being idiots too.
There should just be a ban on dumb-asses no matter what their age is.
I only picked 30 because I'm just a bit over that and am respectfull of my surroundings and people around me. ;)
I was wondering when someone would call me out on that one. :)
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I only picked 30 because I'm just a bit over that
LOL ;)
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Hi Lo Silver ... the teenager hooligan! ;D