Calgary Jeep Association
4x4 Related Groups => Tech Talk => Topic started by: BUKI on October 13, 2010, 07:24:53 PM
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Ok, so I busted my rear spiders on the trail run at mclean this weekend. So Pook and everyone thought it would be the best way to break. Replace braoken spiders with new ones easyfix, or so we thought. Except for some reason I have some one off D35 (I thought they were all the same), but we have tried 3 sets of spiders for the 35 and all are the same and don't work. So made a call to the gear center gave #s from the tag and can't get them in Canada. They need to be shipped in if they can find them. Now this Jeep is 99% street/hwy driven and I love to drive it. SO My question is this. If I can't get the open gears in a decent amount of time and for a reasonable price. What is better to go with a lunchbox locker or a spool? I know JP mag says a spool, but those guys live in Cali, I daily drive and am worrying about spinning out on icy/snowy roads. I would prefer to run open and do NOT want to spend money on the 35. I'm probably getting my sister in laws explorer (8.8 swap) after the winter so im looking for the cheapest/best alternative to get me driving for the winter. You guys have the experience im looking for, mabey other alternatives I haven't thought of
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Ok, so I busted my rear spiders on the trail run at mclean this weekend. So Pook and everyone thought it would be the best way to break. Replace braoken spiders with new ones easyfix, or so we thought. Except for some reason I have some one off D35 (I thought they were all the same), but we have tried 3 sets of spiders for the 35 and all are the same and don't work. So made a call to the gear center gave #s from the tag and can't get them in Canada. They need to be shipped in if they can find them. Now this Jeep is 99% street/hwy driven and I love to drive it. SO My question is this. If I can't get the open gears in a decent amount of time and for a reasonable price. What is better to go with a lunchbox locker or a spool? I know JP mag says a spool, but those guys live in Cali, I daily drive and am worrying about spinning out on icy/snowy roads. I would prefer to run open and do NOT want to spend money on the 35. I'm probably getting my sister in laws explorer (8.8 swap) after the winter so im looking for the cheapest/best alternative to get me driving for the winter. You guys have the experience im looking for, mabey other alternatives I haven't thought of
What about just finding another D35 with the same gears? Do the ol' swap-a-roo? Seems like it may be easier... Let me know gears and Ill start sorce'n!
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In a pinch we used to weld em up, called it "a Langford Locker" you save the broken hunks? Just weld it up into a big ugly mess. Just like having a spool. It'll drive terrible on the road, chirping tires on every turn on the pavement.
Best to ask around for a spare D35, maybe include your ratio of gears you have. Might luck upon a straight swap.
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just change your carrier our for a new dana 35 carrier .. your carrier is what is different not the diff
so take a new carrier with the spyders and put your old ring gear on it and give a shot
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Gears are 307s I believe. And I may have to swap for another 35. And I don't know how to change the entire carrier. And to expensive to get someone to do that. But is that all it is. Than why can't the gear center find the same spiders?
Thanx for the info guys keep it coming. Is running welded gears better than a lunchbox for driving on the street?
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No definitely not. DO NOT WELD.
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Hey rubi03jef does that need to be reshimed or is it quite complicated.? Sorry I'm quite green at wheeling and failed diffs at sait
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Is running welded gears better than a lunchbox for driving on the street?
Much worse. A lunchbox locker allows some slip on turns, while the Lincoln locker (welded) allows for no slip whatsoever. Horrible on the road.
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changing your carrier isnt hard its getting the right pattern on your ring gear because when you change something that big theres a good chance that you might be out just a bit cuz nothing is the same
but you never know you might be close enough and still in spec
do you have the carriers that the other people where giving you the spyders out of
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http://calgary.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-auto-parts-tires-other-parts-accessories-lock-right-power-locker-for-jeep-dana-35-W0QQAdIdZ216123474 - Lunchbox Locker for yea
REAL better choice - http://calgary.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-auto-parts-tires-other-parts-accessories-Auburn-gear-ECTED-electronic-locker-for-Dana-35-W0QQAdIdZ227420284
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Ok welding is out. See Jp mag says the opposite. But again they live in Cali and have no idea about driving in winter. No I don't have the carriers. But I would find them if I need to. It is a good idea. I just suck at diffs and don't want it to get worse.
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Only Problem with a Locker inplace of the spiders is that its a D35.....with 33" tires. It already broke once without any of the added stress a locker ads to the situation. Also a spool is a terrible idea
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I have a 93 XJ rear Dana diff, yours for the taking if that will help you out, it's a diff out of a stick. It's out and can be ready for pick up within the hour,.. PM me for a phone number if this will help
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I would throw a new carrier in there as someone suggested, or toss in a locker.
I have lunchbox lockers in my semi-daily-driver and its fine to drive....just coast around turns otherwise it'll chirp and hop.
If you don't want lockers you definitely won't like a spool unless its a dedicated trail rig.
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Good lord how did you find those so fast. I'm typing on my iPhone and before I can post you've dropped two links. Lol. Yeah I want that ected BUT I was aloted 300 no more to spend I don't think he will come down 200. I can get the lunchbox but I'd prefer to stay open.
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had to move to the computer the iphone cant keep up with how many replies. OK so spool and welded out. Jamal I probably wouldn't wheel it with a locker until i get get a stronger axle hopefully next spring. I am more wanting to drive this winter to and from work. TYNPOW how do they drive in the winter?? Scary or drivable? Fun or Miserable? and whats the best/easiest to drive with?
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i would just try swaping out the carrier and put new spyders in it ..
check your black lash and make sure shes tight but not to tight
its probably the cheapest way to get your going again
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I have a feeling thats what I might end up doing.
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One thought, when I grenaded the open Dana 44 front diff in the big XJ , the carrier it self twisted and there was no way in #ell factory spiders would ever go back in. The carrier was a goner so I went e-locker then I could take out axles on command,...
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elockers are awesome and if this was a 44 or minimum 8.8 I would buy this for my christmas present, but for a 35 its just not practical I was open and it still broke, can't imagine what a locker would do to a 35 on a trail.
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had to move to the computer the iphone cant keep up with how many replies. OK so spool and welded out. Jamal I probably wouldn't wheel it with a locker until i get get a stronger axle hopefully next spring. I am more wanting to drive this winter to and from work. TYNPOW how do they drive in the winter?? Scary or drivable? Fun or Miserable? and whats the best/easiest to drive with?
go big or go home................... sounds like a great reason to upgrade that axle.
OR, locate a full 35 and just swap the whole axle..................... you 're gonna hve to spend SOME money though man if you can't find spiders that work...
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A rear 35 should not be difficult to find, and will probably cost you less than a lunchbox.
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yeah. Im looking at this from all angles. I wont be able to make a decision till the morning. I wanted feedback on this whole situation. My wife and I have discussed it and I have been allowed to spend 300 so my options are few but there are still options. I just need to weigh them all and make a good decision. Now one thing I dont know is does putting in a lunchbox make the 35 waeker than open? Im not wanting to go to bigger tires 33" are where its staying.
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A rear 35 should not be difficult to find, and will probably cost you less than a lunchbox.
As stated in my first post I have a FREE one if it gets you out of a bind,..
So to recant ;
Dana 35 rear XJ diff = free
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oh yeah, sorry i meant to post i might take it off of your hands. Ill see what the gear center sais tomorrow, and ill be intouch. thanx JENSSEN
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take his offer and save your money. just because you broke now, doesn't mean it will happen again anytime soon. there are lots of D35s in this club that are abused weekly with a lot more than 33s on them and last quite a while. just gotta know their limits and keep wheel spin / hop to a minimum.
personally, for a DD with max 33s i would look at swapping in a 8.25 before any other diff. cheap, simple and reliable and the aftermarket is good enough for 33s.
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I have 2 things to add here...
1: I want your old housing if you take jenssens diff
2: I may have a D44 that would bolt in, but I dont know what your timelines like. Jeep gotta be moving asap?
If your interested throw jenssens in for now, we can talk later...
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huh??? a dana 35/44 hybrid
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huh??? a dana 35/44 hybrid
01 Factory ordered Dana 44. 3.73 gears though. Drum brakes.
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I know you already decided against a spool / lincoln locker but the reason people like them better over an automatic locker like a lunchbox or detroit is that they are more predictable, they are always locked, and in a short wheelbase vehicle like a YJ or TJ, both can get a little hairly.
Take Jenssen's axle because it will be spares and swap the stuff you need into you axle because XJ axles are sprung-over and your YJ is sprung-under
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Didn"t someone post that PNP had some yj stuff? A complete D35 swap complete would be cheapest and fastest, plus cure your "odd ball D35" issues. Save your money for a beefer set-up for the future