Calgary Jeep Association
4x4 Related Groups => General Talk => Topic started by: Hi Lo Silver on November 24, 2010, 07:58:21 AM
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http://alberta.ca/home/NewsFrame.cfm?ReleaseID=/acn/201011/295165C7DE347-D43D-2959-2BC4030F9C922092.html
Hope they have the gonads to enforce that now.
Looks like that effects CB and Ham operators as well.
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It does not go far enough. It should ban all communication devices unless it is for calling 911. Handsfree drivers still suck at paying attention and talking. >:(
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It does not go far enough. It should ban all communication devices unless it is for calling 911. Handsfree drivers still suck at paying attention and talking. >:(
I think that they acknowledged that, but they also wanted it to be enforceable. I'd rather see the current form than see something that the cops won't enforce because it's too difficult for them to use.
It does certainly seem to apply to anyone using a CB or HAM radio for anything other than commercial or search and rescue purposes, unless the radio is equipped with a handsfree function.
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So far it doesn't exclude Hams, but I heard that exemptions are on the way.
Apparently the studies with cell phones show that it is the conversation that is most distracting, though trying to push buttons etc. to dial/text is obviously *very* distracting! That brings up interesting points... if it is the conversation, should we not talk to our passengers? ;D I see lots of people turning around to face passengers when trying to talk to them.. egads!! :o
I find that a half-duplex conversation as happens with radios is less distracting than a full-duplex conversation such as happens with cell phones, but it can be distracting nonetheless and I have no problem dropping a microphone and calling the person in a few minutes if driving demands the extra attention.. it's almost expected to have those gaps, whereas the same is not true with a cell phone. I'm working on a hands-free system for my Ham radio to comply with the laws as they exist now.
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Having both Ham and CB in my rig, I'd much rather be distracted by a CB conversation than a Ham. CB, one channel and stay there with only adjusting the squelch....maybe. Ham radio has far too many distracting features on it. Might just be me and where I have it mounted.
I'm fine with all of them being made part of the law although both the Ham and the CB can be put down during the listening phase instead of holding it up to your ear. I do agree with spinalguy though. If you have to engage in a conversation by any means would take your mind off drivng. Dialing still has to be done somehow. :)
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Having both Ham and CB in my rig, I'd much rather be distracted by a CB conversation than a Ham. CB, one channel and stay there with only adjusting the squelch....maybe. Ham radio has far too many distracting features on it. Might just be me and where I have it mounted.
I use my ham more like a CB... I tend to stick to one repeater/channel and have it mounted heads-up. There have been times where I've put a mic down half-way through my drive home and only realize I hadn't re-started the conversation until I got home. :-[ Try that with a cellphone! ;)
I'm fine with all of them being made part of the law although both the Ham and the CB can be put down during the listening phase instead of holding it up to your ear. I do agree with spinalguy though. If you have to engage in a conversation by any means would take your mind off drivng. Dialing still has to be done somehow. :)
I think the real problem is a lack of understanding of the importance of and actual amount of attention required to drive, not so much the devices, a lot of people aren't "present" or "in the moment" when they are driving. I wish a lot of them could think, look and plan past their nose or front bumper, but that seems to be asking far too much. Unfortunately they can't test for or regulate "common sense", which would be the *real* solution!
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Okay, I will poke the hornets nest here....what about Police officers? I would say that more than half the time I pass a police cruiser, the occupant is on a cell phone (and I would hazard a guess that it isn't always work related).....who will police the police?
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Okay, I will poke the hornets nest here....what about Police officers? I would say that more than half the time I pass a police cruiser, the occupant is on a cell phone (and I would hazard a guess that it isn't always work related).....who will police the police?
The same people that currently police them. Themselves ???
It ain't right, it ain't pretty...but it's still better than a legion of Rubibago driving soccer moms rolling down the Deerfoot in "echelon left" formation, yakking on their Iphones while BBM'ing on their Crackberries, curling their hair, and wiping snot off of the cheese doodles that their demon spawn yard apes are alternatively trying to jam up their noses and down their throats.
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My problem with this law is that everything is a distraction while driving. If the are going to ban some items, they have to ban them all...which is unrealistic.
You would have to ban:
- all car radios and stereo's
- Windows (because a hot girl, and accident, flashing police lights etc. all seen through window's are a distraction
- rear view mirrors - they take you eyes off the road in front of you
- heaters and air conditioning
- glove boxes and center consoles
- speedometers
-windhield wipers
- passengers
- cigarettes and ash trays
- chidren in car seats
- passenger DVD players
- billboard signs
- built in GPS units
- and my personal favorite...multinova! Ever been flashed in the eyes while driving in the opposite direction? That's a law suit waiting to happen.
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noooo... don't outlaw scantily clad women from sidewalks
(http://www.hsrc.unc.edu/news_room/distraction_images/distraction1.gif)
normally i hate billboard signs
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I'm assuming you guys don't bother looking at the driver who just cut you off, didn't signal to change lanes in front of you, turned without signaling, just dropped down 10 km's per hour , or didn't merge properly. You should try it some time. You'll notice that 4 out of those five people are on the phone. 3 of 4 didn't even know they did those things and the others just have thier phone up thier butts and are in thier own little worlds..
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X2 for what Hi Low Sliver just said. I drive a bus for Calgary Transit and you would be amazed at what you see on the worst roads at the busiest times. 40 ft long, 12 ft high, and 11 ft wide and i swear the city has a special "invisibility" paint for them >:(
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I'm assuming you guys don't bother looking at the driver who just cut you off, didn't signal to change lanes in front of you, turned without signaling, just dropped down 10 km's per hour , or didn't merge properly. You should try it some time. You'll notice that 4 out of those five people are on the phone. 3 of 4 didn't even know they did those things and the others just have thier phone up thier butts and are in thier own little worlds..
Ding, ding, ding...we have a winner!
Try riding a bike and these inattentive drivers become very apparent.
Al, where did you get that chart? It must have been sponsored by a cell phone provider. No way is that accurate ;)
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just liked the part about being distracted by outside influences. signs and girls... i swear in the summer downtown i am amazed i come out unscratched... and out of handcuffs
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just liked the part about being distracted by outside influences. signs and girls... i swear in the summer downtown i am amazed i come out unscratched... and out of handcuffs
Quoted for truth!
The first two weeks when the temperature increases and the skirts get shorter is a dangerous time to be a driver. :P
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just liked the part about being distracted by outside influences. signs and girls... i swear in the summer downtown i am amazed i come out unscratched... and out of handcuffs
lol.
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here's mine truly
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here's mine truly
Priceless!!
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Quoted for truth!
The first two weeks when the temperature increases and the skirts get shorter is a dangerous time to be a driver. :P
That's what 4lo is for ;D
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its going to be hard for the police to do anything besides pull people over
for eating in a car or lighting a smoke even handing there baby the toy they just dropped
the calgary police are already a joke its only going to get worse with this law .
what about the real problems like crack in grade schools or 12 year olds raping 10 year old in the school yards
they need to focus on bigger issues then a couple hundred accidents a year because someone was on a phone or picking there nose and you were watching them instead of the road in front of you
just my 2 cents
never matters anyways
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http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20060107/crashes_homicide_060107/
Take a look at those numbers and tell me thier focus isn't in the right direction. That is Canada over all mind you. It also doesn't show all the other accidents without fatality, but it also doesn't show all the other crimes that may happen so I think the comparison is fair enough.
Cell phones are just a part in those accidents, but the new laws are in the right direction as far as I'm concerned. I get real tired of being put into risky situations because of some self involved person on a cell phone.
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Yes, with the way a lot of people drive, it's playing Russian Roulette, it's not *IF*, it is *WHEN* they will kill someone and the sheer number of "near misses" should be the first clue to that.
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im from a bigger busier city then CALGARY and they just put the cell phone law into play last year ..
not a BS distraction law
i do agree that there are way to many people talking on there cells phones while driving but as for distractions like eating drinking and changing a radio station its going a bit to far
cuz next time theres red and blues in my rear view mirror i WONT notice because ITS A DISTRACTION to look behind me
theres a line and sadly CALGARY / ALBERTA is crossing it with this Distraction law .. im down for no cell phones but thats all
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Whoa...you're getting awful cranky Jeff. The law doesn't cover that much.
http://www.transportation.alberta.ca/distracteddriving.htm (http://www.transportation.alberta.ca/distracteddriving.htm)
It restricts the following:
?using hand-held cell phones
?texting or e-mailing
?using electronic devices like laptop computers, video games, cameras, video entertainment displays and programming portable audio players (e.g., MP3 players)
?entering information on GPS units
?reading printed materials in the vehicle
?writing, printing or sketching, and
?personal grooming
And under the FAQ, it says:
We are not talking about penalizing drivers for taking a sip of coffee, chatting with passengers or blowing their nose. We are talking about drivers who decide to put themselves and others at risk by watching movies, browsing for and downloading 'apps', apply makeup or shaving all while trying to navigate through traffic.
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its going to be hard for the police to do anything besides pull people over
for eating in a car or lighting a smoke even handing there baby the toy they just dropped
the calgary police are already a joke its only going to get worse with this law .
what about the real problems like crack in grade schools or 12 year olds raping 10 year old in the school yards
they need to focus on bigger issues then a couple hundred accidents a year because someone was on a phone or picking there nose and you were watching them instead of the road in front of you
just my 2 cents
never matters anyways
consider the effort (read: manpower) used to stop these type of things, consider your taxes, and consider how the police force needs to secure funding.
I agree 100% with you, they should be after "real crimes", and be working harder to put away the scourge of the city, but 3k lbs plus of metal, glass and rubber can be a lethal combo when the person at the helm is mentally absent.
I hate speeding/traffic tickets. HATE demerits that come from the tickets...but I just hope that money I seem to pay over and above my tax dollars go into scourge elimination..I hope.
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thanks for posting the link .. i missed it the first time
ok now i see it covers what it needs to .. sorry for the rant earlier . my bad ..
its cuz im FRENCH hahah
but still think they should be worried about real crime :)
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its cuz im FRENCH hahah
Whats are you talking about???... I'm always patient and calm...
GEEZZZZ ::)
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