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Off Highway Staging Area => Open Trail Rides => Topic started by: w squared on December 05, 2010, 04:44:18 PM

Title: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: w squared on December 05, 2010, 04:44:18 PM
OK folks.  I think that we've hit critical mass for this run. Any more rigs, and we will self-destruct. I'm going to limit the run to the folks that have already posted up, please. The only way that we will be adding more people to the run is if folks that were previously coming have decided not to.

We're going to break into three groups, as follows:

Group #1 - airing down at the gravel pit, going to the falls to cook some hot dogs on the fire:
w squared (trail leader)
Rubi03jef (tailgunner)
Pookapotamus (midgunner)
Rubibago
Silverfox
Knox
Koda2010
Bone206

Group #2 - airing down at the South Ghost unloading area, going on a tour of the "Winter Loop"
Specialk (Trail Leader)
JohnnyC (Tailgunner)
Immortal
Elsifer
Rich
Tubby
AVNine
Avalanche

Group #3 - Airing down east of Camp Chamisol, going to Margaret Lake, and then maybe on to winter loop trails.
MoreRPMFred and Joel will play Rock/Paper/Scissors to determine who leads this group and who tailguns.
Brooneg
Bushman67
MHernden
Aladin
Fug
Alltornup
Brooneg's dad (yota)
Brooneg's buddy (yota)

If turn-out is light, we will reduce things to two groups, with SpecialK and myself as the trail leaders.

The other thing that I will say is that myself and the other trail leaders will be holding people to the requirements. This includes recovery points that are not "sketchy", and tires that will work well on winter trails. Please ensure that your rig is mechanically sound, has a full tank of fuel BEFORE you arrive at the Smitty's parking lot, and that you have plenty of food, water, and warm clothing for everyone on board.

For those of you with new rigs...yes, body damage is possible. We will not be doing anything wild, but for those folks with rigs that have never been offroad, please understand what you're getting into. I drive my Jeep every day, and I don't "beat" on it...but after two and a half years years of wheeling it, there IS body damage on it.  Shocked You may find that your air dam, rocker panels, and/or rear bumper are showing "battle scars" after this run, especially if you're new to offroad driving and haven't yet figured out how to choose your line to avoid body damage.

Requirements will be:

-Good AT or MT tires with lots of tread.
-Proper tow points front and rear - please don't expect to borrow parts of other people's vehicles to make your tow points work.
-Full sized spare
-Ample food and water for yourself and all passengers
-Vehicle in sound mechanical condition
-Appropriate winter clothing (including boots, gloves, hat) for everyone in the vehicle, and some extra warm clothing
-Spare footwear and socks - because frostbitten toes are no fun
-Top off your fuel tank in Cochrane just before we meet
-All non-members will be asked to sign waivers

Items that would be helpful if you have 'em:
-Shovel
-Chains
-Recovery strap (nothing with metal ends, please)
-CB

We'll meet at the Smitty's in Cochrane at 8:45, and roll out at 9. Everyone please make sure that you top off your tank in Cochrane before we meet at Smitty's. While I'm sure that at least some of the gas stations will be open, I wouldn't plan on picking up much other than jerky and chips in the morning  

Title: Re: New Year's Day Run
Post by: apeman on December 05, 2010, 09:28:18 PM
I would love to go,and be able to bring my lil guy...how bout another rip up to the lake for a fire and hot dogs?
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run
Post by: w squared on December 05, 2010, 09:35:09 PM
Definite yes on the fire and hot dogs as long as it's not ridiculously cold.

The lake would be great, or the falls would work well too. I'm planning this as being a "kid/wife/girlfriend friendly" run.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run
Post by: Vinman on December 05, 2010, 09:55:57 PM
Quad friendly? It's got a seven slot grill...
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run
Post by: Immortal on December 05, 2010, 10:15:45 PM
Slap a Jeep badge on the front of 'er Vince!!!!
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run
Post by: Knox on December 06, 2010, 09:38:35 AM
I'm in provided I don't get storm stayed somewhere...
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run
Post by: Rubi03 jef on December 06, 2010, 11:00:27 AM
i would love to be there ..

if u need someone to run tail gunner im down

Title: Re: New Year's Day Run
Post by: AV.NINE on December 06, 2010, 11:51:35 AM
I may get a chance to tag along....
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run
Post by: Brooneg on December 06, 2010, 02:39:53 PM
If Pook and I get everything switched over from the '93 to the new(er) zj I should be in.

I hope  ;D
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run
Post by: w squared on December 07, 2010, 07:01:22 AM
Quad friendly? It's got a seven slot grill...

Seven slot grill + a Jeep badge of some sort, and I'm good with it  ;D

It's not going to be a quick run, so you'll probably spend lots of time waiting for Jeeps to get outta the way. If you're good with that, I don't see why not.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run
Post by: mhernden on December 09, 2010, 12:29:32 PM
Totally in for this run. 

Woohoo winter wheel'n.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run
Post by: silverfox on December 11, 2010, 11:07:26 PM
Was debating on doing both the boxing day and this one...............seems the boss has other plans so I am down to just this one.

I am planning on bringing my two hooligans (10 and 8) if that is ok?
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run
Post by: w squared on December 12, 2010, 04:55:14 PM
Was debating on doing both the boxing day and this one...............seems the boss has other plans so I am down to just this one.

I am planning on bringing my two hooligans (10 and 8) if that is ok?

Hooligans are welcome. This is a 100% yard ape friendly run. All that I ask is that your bring plenty of food, drinks, and warm clothing for 'em.  :)
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run
Post by: Knox on December 12, 2010, 09:45:12 PM
replacement clothing for them too... nothing worse than getting wet in the cold.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run
Post by: specialk on December 13, 2010, 09:03:53 AM
I'll be coming out this day as well.  I can take second group if need be Todd
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run
Post by: w squared on December 13, 2010, 10:10:05 AM
I'm stoked about the big response to this - I had a great time last New Year's Day, and I'm eager to repeat it.

I moved the roster up to the first post so people can find it.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run
Post by: Pookapotamus on December 13, 2010, 11:09:53 AM
dont for get me!
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run
Post by: AV.NINE on December 13, 2010, 11:18:37 AM
Firewood is a great idea, but I'll bring my chainsaw just in case.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run
Post by: AstraX on December 13, 2010, 11:40:31 AM
I am considering coming, if you are Ok with a total newbie on the run(never been out before).  I just have to convince/assure my wife I won't break our new jeep.

I have a bone stock 2010 Sahara Unlimited.  Anything basic/somewhat inexpensive I should look at adding on before I go out wheeling?
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run
Post by: w squared on December 13, 2010, 12:10:57 PM
I am considering coming, if you are Ok with a total newbie on the run(never been out before).  I just have to convince/assure my wife I won't break our new jeep.

I have a bone stock 2010 Sahara Unlimited.  Anything basic/somewhat inexpensive I should look at adding on before I go out wheeling?

This is a newbie-friendly run...but I would ask that you make sure your Jeep meets all the requirements that I posted at the start of the thread:

-Good AT or MT tires
-Proper tow points front and rear - please don't expect to borrow parts of other people's vehicles to make your tow points work.
-Full sized spare
-Ample food and water for yourself and all passengers
-Vehicle in sound mechanical condition
-Appropriate winter clothing (including boots, gloves, hat) for everyone in the vehicle
-Top off your fuel tank when we leave Cochrane


I do not know what type of tires you have on your Sahara, but I believe that "street" tires would make winter wheeling pretty challenging for you. I'd also like to stress that front and rear tow points really are a necessary item.

If you rig meets the requirements, we'll be happy to provide pointers and a helping hand when the going gets tough  :)
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run
Post by: AstraX on December 13, 2010, 12:26:40 PM
Yep it has the factory 2 front tow hooks and one rear.  My tires are Bridgestone Dueler AT's.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run
Post by: w squared on December 13, 2010, 05:31:17 PM
Then I'd say that your rig should be fine - you've got AT tires that are in good condition, and the factory tow points on a JK will work just peachy.

The things that I would add that you're likely to use most are:

-a shovel
-an axe
-good selection of basic hand tools
-some spare fluids (engine oil, gear oil, washer fluid, ATF)
-garbage bags
-a first aid kit. No need to go overboard, especially if you're like most folks and just have an expired "emergency" first aid ticket from years ago.
-a recovery strap. It's important that you get on of these that has the soft "loop" ends, and not metal hooks.

If you like, you could also add in a CB, but I'd wait until you've been out with us a few times, and see if you're enjoying it.

When it comes to wheeling, I'd also suggest a change of socks and shoes for each person in the Jeep. Nothing ruins a winter trip faster than stepping out of the jeep and soaking your feet.  :(

Title: Re: New Year's Day Run
Post by: Immortal on December 13, 2010, 07:09:00 PM
And me too... as far as I can tell at this moment in time. On-call may screw me, but I doubt it.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run
Post by: Bone206 on December 13, 2010, 07:36:52 PM
Count me in (tentatively)! I'm also plagged by the New-Years eve on-call stuff work, but I'm done at 8am the next morning so I should be good to go unless I have a sleepless night.  ;D
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run
Post by: morerpmfred on December 13, 2010, 07:57:30 PM
I,ll be there as well. Try out some new mods and all the post hunting season repairs already done  :o  .
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run
Post by: silverfox on December 13, 2010, 08:54:08 PM
I am considering coming, if you are Ok with a total newbie on the run(never been out before).  I just have to convince/assure my wife I won't break our new jeep.

I have a bone stock 2010 Sahara Unlimited.  Anything basic/somewhat inexpensive I should look at adding on before I go out wheeling?

Awesome that you are going to try and make it out.  That will 2 noobs to the CJA runs.  I have been out a few times with Kev but never a group run.  I am really looking forward to a great day, hopefully the weather is good but either way it will be a blast.

I think you will be amazed at where your Jeep will go, I know on the 4 or 5 times I was out with my 2007 that it never ceased to surprise me how it performed............especially with my clumsy hands on the wheel.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: JackstandJohnny on December 13, 2010, 10:10:53 PM
i'll run tail for Kevs group. its funner in the rear ;)

unless its cold.  i'll admit i'm wimp.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: Immortal on December 13, 2010, 10:20:10 PM
That's what she said.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run
Post by: Bone206 on December 13, 2010, 10:28:07 PM
I am considering coming, if you are Ok with a total newbie on the run(never been out before).  I just have to convince/assure my wife I won't break our new jeep.

I have a bone stock 2010 Sahara Unlimited.  Anything basic/somewhat inexpensive I should look at adding on before I go out wheeling?

the first few runs I did were in a bone stock sahara unlimited (07) and it performed far better than I thought it would. Don't let that hold you back ;D. As for cheap mods, as W squared says. If you are looking for a good rear tow point, Modern has a decent receiver shackle bracket with D-ring for something like 50 bucks. A tow strap is a good idea too, and make sure it is a good one without hooks attached on the ends (loops are what you want; Modern and Princess Auto have these).
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: Immortal on December 13, 2010, 10:35:06 PM
the first few runs I did were in a bone stock sahara unlimited (07) and it performed far better than I thought it would.

As I recall... you were just about jumpin out of your skin you were so excited about what you just went through...

Something about "THAT WAS F*#KIN AWESOME!!" ring a bell?
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run
Post by: Rubibago on December 13, 2010, 10:54:22 PM
the first few runs I did were in a bone stock sahara unlimited (07) and it performed far better than I thought it would. Don't let that hold you back ;D. 

Can you believe that was only 6 months and about 10 Grand ago!!

Where does the money and time go!!
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: Immortal on December 13, 2010, 10:55:38 PM
LOL... so true.
look out to the driveway.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: Bone206 on December 14, 2010, 08:40:30 PM
As I recall... you were just about jumpin out of your skin you were so excited about what you just went through...

Something about "THAT WAS F*#KIN AWESOME!!" ring a bell?
HAHA! So true, so true. Now I'm hooked :)
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: Rubi03 jef on December 18, 2010, 03:21:42 PM
chain saw will be sharpened and fueled up
2 gerry cans of gas for my jeep
and food and other things to

all ready to go

Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: silverfox on December 18, 2010, 10:26:00 PM
Firewood is a great idea, but I'll bring my chainsaw just in case.

I think I might still have some kicking around.  If not I am sure I can fit a bag in the back of the Rubi after all it has a very large storage area  ::)

So basically I am saying I will bring firewood

Damn I am looking forward to getting out..............its been forever  (well two people years is forever in jeep years)
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: Brooneg on December 18, 2010, 10:48:52 PM
is it ok to have a couple Toyota's join us?  My dad has an FJ and a buddy has an older 4runner...both meet minimum req's....
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: w squared on December 19, 2010, 12:55:18 AM
is it ok to have a couple Toyota's join us?  My dad has an FJ and a buddy has an older 4runner...both meet minimum req's....

I think that'll be okay for this run. After all, we've got a quad coming, so a couple of Yotas should be fine too. Then again, if this run gets any bigger, we may have to split it three ways.

Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: AstraX on December 19, 2010, 02:35:32 AM
I am super stoked about this.  The wife hasn't said "no you can't go" so I'm taking it as a yes.  :)

I was thinking of grabbing a few things as suggested (ie: shovel, axe, recovery straps)  Just a quick question on the straps though, should I be looking at getting one of the name brand ones?  ARB, Warn, rugged ridge, etc. or just go for one of the cheap-o ones from Princess Auto?

 I might also look at CB's, I know a couple of you have said to hold off to make sure that I enjoy going out (I'm pretty sure that won't be a problem), but I like the idea of having a bit better communication.  Now there have been many discussions on which model of CB to get and it seems as though you don't need to go too crazy for the CB unit itself, but I was wondering what a ballpark price would/should be for a whole setup so it is done properly.

Thanks,
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: w squared on December 19, 2010, 04:30:19 AM
For recovery straps, there is no need to go for a big brand name. Understand that whatever you buy, it's going to get covered in mud, abraded by metal, rocks, and logs...and just generally get worn out. Most folks here seem to buy a no-name, "nuthin fancy" recovery strap from Modern Motors and I don't know anyone that's ever had anything than 100% success with that. They are VERY reasonably priced, and normally on the shelf there. Modern also tends to have a good selection of good quality d-rings, tree savers, and snatch blocks. The recovery "bits and pieces" that they keep in stock may not be as fancy or shiny as the ARB or Masterpull stuff, but they're all good quality and will help you get your Jeep outta the swamp.

I would avoid using a "princess auto"  special, as most of the "tow ropes" and "tow straps" that they sell seem to come with metal ends. Metal parts on a recovery strap are just plain dangerous.

As far as the CB goes, you've already ordered a mount and an antenna, right? All you need now is a CB, an 18 foot coax, and a coat hanger to fish a piece of wire through the hole under the right side hood cowling. As Fiend has recommended in the past, paying a visit to Dean at the Road King truck stop is the best way to get what you need. He's got a good variety of CB's, and his prices are fair. I don't recall which model of Uniden that Al recommended, but that's probably a good place to start. The other option would be a Cobra 75 (since you said that you're not ready to drill anything in your interior. You can easily tuck the junction box under your glovebox, and hang the handheld unit in a convenient place in the cab. You will probably want a small external speaker though - I found the speaker on the 75 to be lacking. I can show you how to hide the speaker inside your sport bar if you like.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: AstraX on December 19, 2010, 09:27:33 AM
Oh you are thinking of Silverfox, I think he ordered a cooltech mount or something.

I don't have anything yet.  I might just take a trip to Roadking and check them out.  My buddy in Edmonton was saying the same thing about the Cobra 75, he also purchased the speaker, but he does like the unit overall.

thanks
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: silverfox on December 19, 2010, 10:09:01 AM
Oh you are thinking of Silverfox, I think he ordered a cooltech mount or something.

I don't have anything yet.  I might just take a trip to Roadking and check them out.  My buddy in Edmonton was saying the same thing about the Cobra 75, he also purchased the speaker, but he does like the unit overall.

thanks

Yup thats me, I have the Cooltech mount inbound as well as an SWR and Antenna.  I still have my old (well old as in its from my last rig but not used yet) recovery strap.  Haven't got the CB yet as I am waiting on Santa :)
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: Chupacabra on December 21, 2010, 07:12:15 PM
Sounds like it could be fun! Now if I only wasn't so wimpy in the cold and could stand changing all four tires in the wind and snow in front of my house...
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: frenchy on December 21, 2010, 09:38:36 PM
Sounds like it could be fun! Now if I only wasn't so wimpy in the cold and could stand changing all four tires in the wind and snow in front of my house...

Supossed to be warm on Sunday  ;D

I have a garage with a heater...I should be fixing my junk for this run, but meh.
If all you need is to swap tires send me a PM.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: AlAdIn on December 23, 2010, 12:56:53 AM
HI guys,
I am kinda new to this forum.I just bought a brand new rubicon and would like to try it out:)it's pure stock.Can I join you guys on this run?
thanks,Adrian
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: w squared on December 23, 2010, 07:08:21 AM
Hi there Adrian.

Your Rubicon will have come with front and rear recovery points and a set of MT tires from the factory, so it will meet all of the requirements for this run and you are welcome to join us. I will ask you to check the back of the vehicle - Rubicons that have a factory trailer hitch don't seem to come with the "factory" rear tow point. If this is the case, it's not a big issue - Modern Motors sells a slide-in portion for your factory hitch that will allow you to hook up a recovery strap. It looks kinda like this:

(http://www.winchline.com/images-vendor%20products/UDS-hitch1L.gif)

 This is very much a "newbie friendly" run, so you will find that the folks on the run are happy to help you out with advice when you get to a tricky section. I will ask that you carefully review the first post in this thread where I've put a list of things that people should bring - things like making sure you have a full tank of fuel, bringing lots of food and water, and lots of warm clothing for everyone in the vehicle.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: AlAdIn on December 23, 2010, 09:44:29 AM
thanks very much for the quick reply.I did look at my rubi and it does have the recovery points in the rear as well.I did go through all the replies on this discussion and I will head down to Modern Motors right now and get some recovery gear.I would really wanna upgrade the jeep with lots of goodies,but i will wait till i meet you guys.I am sure i can get some advice on what's best and price affordable and so on.
cant wait:)
Adrian.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: w squared on December 23, 2010, 09:54:09 AM
Good stuff!

Please don't feel that you need to spend a pile of money right away. The best advice that I can offer for equipping and modifying your Jeep is move slowly. Spend some time coming on open runs and attending meetings - you will get to see what other people have done with their rigs, get a chance to figure out what does and doesn't work on the trail - and decide what you want to be able to do with your rig. After some time coming out wheeling with us, you'll know what sort of mods are appropriate for your rig, and then you will be able to spend your money with confidence - you won't end up making the same mod twice because you didn't get it right the first time.

I think you'll find that once you ask a Jeep guy a question about his rig, the hardest part is getting him to shut up.  :-[
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: silverfox on December 23, 2010, 09:55:27 AM
thanks very much for the quick reply.I did look at my rubi and it does have the recovery points in the rear as well.I did go through all the replies on this discussion and I will head down to Modern Motors right now and get some recovery gear.I would really wanna upgrade the jeep with lots of goodies,but i will wait till i meet you guys.I am sure i can get some advice on what's best and price affordable and so on.
cant wait:)
Adrian.


You won't be the only stocker out there.  I am running stock and I think AstraX is running stock
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: AstraX on December 23, 2010, 10:08:06 AM
I'm not going to be totally stock...gunna get new floor mats before the run!   ;D
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: Rubibago on December 23, 2010, 03:46:36 PM
I am planning on running as well, and other than a bumper and winch, I am stock all the way around.

Believe me when I tell you that your stock Rubicon is more than capable of getting you into and out of most messes.

You may here some funny thumping and grinding sounds coming from undercarriage, but that is mostly just your skid plates doing their jobs (it is all part of the fun).
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: AlAdIn on December 23, 2010, 07:10:42 PM
well then, i am happy that i'm not the only one bone stock.I am really curious how this rubicon will perform.Lots of people said its a really cool dirt machine,but i gotta see it to belive it:)
so i look forward to some quality time in the bush.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: silverfox on December 23, 2010, 07:17:11 PM
well then, i am happy that i'm not the only one bone stock.I am really curious how this rubicon will perform.Lots of people said its a really cool dirt machine,but i gotta see it to belive it:)
so i look forward to some quality time in the bush.

You will be absolutely amazed.

I ran my 07 bone stock for 2 years (well a bumper and Winch) and every time I went out I was more amazed at what these vehicles will do.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: AlAdIn on December 23, 2010, 07:20:22 PM
...and ,yeah,definitely i am interested in joining you guys in the runs and  the club.I am not the kind that rolls in a escalade:)couldn't wait to get rid of that crossover i had(chrysler pacifica which is) and move to some more serious business:)
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: AlAdIn on December 23, 2010, 07:23:19 PM
SilverFox........and a new set of floor mats:)lol
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: Elsifer on December 24, 2010, 10:28:59 AM
Well, count me in as well!

Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: silverfox on December 24, 2010, 10:37:52 AM
SilverFox........and a new set of floor mats:)lol

Well if floor mats count then I guess I am no longer stock either :)
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: w squared on December 24, 2010, 10:56:03 AM
As of right now, the following folks are coming:

w squared (leading first group)
apeman
vinman (on a quad with a seven slot grill :))
Knox
Rubi03jef (tailgunner for first group)
MHernden
Silverfox
Specialk (leading second group)
AstraX
Pookapotamus (voluntold as midgunner for the first group)
Immortal
Bone206
Morerpmfred
JohnnyC (all over Kevin's tail)
Aladin
Rubiago
Elsifer
Rich
AvNine (maybe)
Brooneg (maybe)
Brooneg's dad (yota)
Brooneg's buddy (yota)
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: Immortal on December 25, 2010, 12:58:19 PM
Whoa... that's 21!!  :o
YAY!!! I can count!! Where's the "bird" emoticon?
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: w squared on December 25, 2010, 01:17:05 PM
Indeed it is twenty one rigs. How many ways do we want to split this run? Two groups of ten or so? Three groups of six or seven? One long conga line, that stretches from the four corners to the margaret lake trailhead?

If we go to three groups, we'll need members to volunteer for lead and tail gunning positions.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: Brooneg on December 25, 2010, 02:10:05 PM
I can do a tail gun position ...just have to get the cb installed when doing the rest of the swap over ;D ;D
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: Rich99 on December 25, 2010, 02:42:47 PM
Add me please. I will be there.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: w squared on December 25, 2010, 03:03:16 PM
That makes twenty-two rigs.

We better be careful...ten fingers, ten toes, two ears...there's only the nose left before Trev has to drop trou in order to keep counting!  :o
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: Immortal on December 26, 2010, 02:41:50 PM
It will be awhile, yet. It's worth at least 6....


Why the hell do y'all drag my pecker into conversation all the time? Starting to give me a complex....
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: Unknown303 on December 27, 2010, 07:35:35 AM
Do you guys ever put up photo's from your runs?  I notice the toyota guys do videos and stuff would be cool to see the Jeep guys representing.  I know about the thread light stuff but it still doesn't mean we can't document and share enjoying the outdoors does it?
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: specialk on December 27, 2010, 08:45:31 AM
On the open forum, we don't allow pics and videos to be posted.  We do allow links to those pics.

I've heard that the Yota guys do some cool videos.  We sometimes post video but it's usually just the clip... no edting.  I'm sure some of us have editing software but it most likely comes down to time.   What you would rather spend your time on?  Wheeling/wrenching or editing a video about
wheeling...


It is good idea though.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: Unknown303 on December 27, 2010, 10:37:03 AM
I don't deny the fact I'm sure we'd all rather be wheeling over video editing.  I was just a little curious why I never see pictures on here from the runs.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: w squared on December 27, 2010, 11:00:53 AM
Why the hell do y'all drag my pecker into conversation all the time? Starting to give me a complex....

Get yet mind outta the gutter, punk! I was talking about when you count on your kneecaps.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: Immortal on December 27, 2010, 11:02:29 AM
So now we are using someone else' pecker?


Diggin a hole you twisted b*stard.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: silverfox on December 27, 2010, 10:14:03 PM
That makes twenty-two rigs.

We better be careful...ten fingers, ten toes, two ears...there's only the nose left before Trev has to drop trou in order to keep counting!  :o

Seems like a crap load of rigs to me, which is pretty damn cool.  How many is the most you have had on a winter run?

How many is too many?
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: specialk on December 27, 2010, 10:20:09 PM
I'm sure we will lose a few... we also do...

We will just break it up into managable groups and try not to run into one another. 
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: w squared on December 28, 2010, 08:03:17 AM
Seems like a crap load of rigs to me, which is pretty damn cool.  How many is the most you have had on a winter run?

How many is too many?

I've had nineteen on a winter run.  ??? Nineteen is too many.  :-\

We'll aim to have each group somewhere between five and ten rigs. I think that Specialk is right, and that we will lose some of the rigs. I think that some people will not realize that they are not coming until the wake up on New Year's Day...and we're already at the trailhead.  ;D
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: morerpmfred on December 28, 2010, 09:27:11 AM
How many is too many ?  
Depends  If the run is a social event there are never enough rigs .  If you want to make a mile and explore then 4 to 6 is enough . Enough smarts to cover the trail at a quick pace and to get out of trouble easy , anything beyond that then you have to deal with a mob mentality  . For me waiporous is easy , know all the trails so now it is a social event . Do a little wheeling then tell tall Christmas stories while some one gets unstuck or does a trail repair . I,m really looking forward to enjoy the scenery , the fresh air , the social time , maybe a camp fire at the falls  and a little wheeling. If this was a trail run down south or up north then ten would be way to much
Not all the people that say they are coming will be there and there will be some that did not post and will be there .
If you need a tail gunner or mid gunner then just volentold me.  Have an empty passenger seat .
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: fug on December 28, 2010, 09:11:59 PM
I might try to tag along on this run.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: Immortal on December 28, 2010, 10:01:43 PM
I might try to tag along on this run.

That's it!!! Sell the house, pack the kids, the world is about to end!!

Robin is on the trails AGAIN!!
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: fug on December 28, 2010, 10:46:55 PM
Don't panic til I actually show up without something blowing up!   I'm not bringing the TJ... I'll be in the beater YJ hopefully.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: Immortal on December 28, 2010, 10:48:43 PM
Oh... well then that doesn't count.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: silverfox on December 29, 2010, 10:53:33 AM
Looks like we will have some fresh ground cover for Saturday  ;D  Weather looks pretty reasonable.

Not hat I am anxious or anything  :P
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: Immortal on December 29, 2010, 10:57:07 AM
YEHOOOOO!!! Expect body damage!!
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: specialk on December 29, 2010, 11:07:26 AM
That's it  - scare everyone off so the numbers go down for the run  ::)
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: SwampSinger on December 29, 2010, 01:51:03 PM
That's it!!! Sell the house, pack the kids, the world is about to end!!

Robin is on the trails AGAIN!!

LOL.......Mr. no drive shaft for 6 months.  ;D

Trev... is the XJ rolling?

Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: w squared on December 29, 2010, 06:41:42 PM
Don't panic til I actually show up without something blowing up!   I'm not bringing the TJ... I'll be in the beater YJ hopefully.

Sweet!

w squared (leading first group)
apeman
vinman (on a quad with a seven slot grill Smiley)
Knox
Rubi03jef (tailgunner for first group)
MHernden
Silverfox
Specialk (leading second group)
AstraX
Pookapotamus (voluntold as midgunner for the first group)
Immortal
Bone206
Morerpmfred
JohnnyC (all over Kevin's tail)
Aladin
Rubigao
Elsifer
Rich
Bushman67
Joel (if Fug can get a spare)
Fug (if Fug can get a spare)
AvNine (maybe)
Brooneg (maybe)
Brooneg's dad (yota)
Brooneg's buddy (yota)

That's 18 "Yes" and 5 "Maybe". If possible, could folks confirm or "bail" by posting up to this thread before we all jam our faces into bottles of 15 year old Scotch and Irish whiskey on New Year's Eve? It'll make counting much easier  :)
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: silverfox on December 29, 2010, 07:24:01 PM
Confirmed............I don't drink so no risk of that New Years eve. ::)

Ok well that might be a little fib but we are spending it with the kids and I have told the boys we are going wheeling so I will be sober and we are in for sure.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: Joel on December 29, 2010, 07:28:12 PM
If Fug's making an appearance, then I'm in as well  :)

Someone's gotta remind Fug how to put his jeep in 4-low.  ;)
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: bushman67 on December 29, 2010, 07:54:05 PM
I'll be there.... :)  Catch you there.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: AstraX on December 29, 2010, 09:06:50 PM
Im in!
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: Immortal on December 29, 2010, 09:29:54 PM
LOL!!! Add 3 more. I blame Robin.

Oui oui Monsieur!! Itsa a rollin'. Has been for a bit.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: morerpmfred on December 29, 2010, 10:41:45 PM
reconfirm  yyyyesssss  with Aaron as the swamper
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: Koda2010 on December 30, 2010, 09:56:19 AM
Hey guys,

I am new to the CJA and I have a 2008 WK Grand Cherokee. I would love to come out for the run this weekend and meet all the requirements for the run. I am wondering if there is anyone else out there wheeling a daily driver they dont want to wreck, with the exception of the usual scatches of course. Are we all meeting at the Smitty's to leave from there?
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: Rubi03 jef on December 30, 2010, 10:09:17 AM
No one really wants to wreck there trucks.     Mines a daily driver and I'm rough on it
But I know how to fix things

The key part is stay on the trail have fun and Ull be pretty good
Last year I got pulled out of 4 feet of snow by the smallest jeep on the trail
I'm running 35's and locked f/r and. Busted a axle and to get me out was a 4 bangger tj with 30 inch tires

So just come out and have fun meet the guys 
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: Koda2010 on December 30, 2010, 10:32:35 AM
Sounds great. I was due to have a locker installed today but UPS decided to ship it all over the US before it crosses the border. Oh well at least I will have something to compare it to when I get it installed on the 10th.

See you guys on Saturday
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: JackstandJohnny on December 30, 2010, 10:56:21 AM
is your 08" grand bone stock?

your front airdam might become a snow plow in some places!!!!!!!!  

just a disclamer now:  the potential for body damage is always present, and this is even moreso on today's newer vehicles.  With bigger bumpers built for wind resistance, lower ground clearance etc, anything can happen.

we've had some issues with 'trail rated' 08' Liberties before................  just an FYI ;)


but if you're installing a locker in your 08' i'm sure you're fine with that ;)
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: Immortal on December 30, 2010, 04:28:18 PM
That thing was trail rated??!!!
Hmmmm... that Rubicon Trail that they use to rate Jeeps must be like a parking lot.... alll smooth with a bump or 2 in it.....




And before y'all jump down my throat... YES I KNOW WHAT THE RUBICON TRAIL IS, AND LOOKS LIKE.....
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: JackstandJohnny on December 30, 2010, 05:52:03 PM
That thing was trail rated??!!!
Hmmmm... that Rubicon Trail that they use to rate Jeeps must be like a parking lot.... alll smooth with a bump or 2 in it.....




And before y'all jump down my throat... YES I KNOW WHAT THE RUBICON TRAIL IS, AND LOOKS LIKE.....

is that what the old '101' trail is Trev?
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: w squared on December 30, 2010, 06:45:36 PM
I've posted up an "attendance" list and some quick plans for the run in post #1 of this thread instead of having folks need to look through it. I've capped the run at the current numbers.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: AV.NINE on December 30, 2010, 06:56:54 PM
whats the "winter loop"? Going in by all the logging, past the bog, to four corners?
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: w squared on December 30, 2010, 07:02:06 PM
whats the "winter loop"? Going in by all the logging, past the bog, to four corners?

North from the four corners, and there's a "loop-like" shape up between Margaret lake and Cabin Creek. If you find the "winter trails" map somewhere on here, you can take a look at it and see. It's a loop that's only open to Jeeps in the winter.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: morerpmfred on December 30, 2010, 07:06:10 PM
http://forum.calgaryjeep.com/index.php?topic=20736.0
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: AV.NINE on December 30, 2010, 07:11:04 PM
just looking at that, any point references?

Edit: I think i see it now, 127-169-175-167 ish?
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: w squared on December 30, 2010, 07:20:38 PM
just looking at that, any point references?

Edit: I think i see it now, 127-169-175-167 ish?

140-167-165-163-145-141-139 is on do-able loop.

167-169-171-173-175-161 is another do-able loop.

Depending on conditions, a figure-8 can be fun too.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: AV.NINE on December 30, 2010, 07:31:28 PM
140-167-165-163-145-141-139 is on do-able loop.

167-169-171-173-175-161 is another do-able loop.

Depending on conditions, a figure-8 can be fun too.

Was looking forward to the falls, but this could be interesting too.

Thanks for that.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: FiEND on December 30, 2010, 10:29:53 PM
have fun all and enjoy the winter trails

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIu0cEQ_yxM&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: w squared on December 31, 2010, 04:38:00 AM
Was looking forward to the falls, but this could be interesting too.

Thanks for that.

Those groups are not set in stone...I just wanted to get a head start on organizing so that we didn't see twenty two jeeps going to margaret lake and two going to the falls. I put your name on the list for the "winter loop" because I've seen your rig, and Kev's group will be tackling more challenging terrain than what my group will be...but we may be able to arrange a swap with one of the more more capable vehicles from the group that I will be leading.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: Koda2010 on December 31, 2010, 09:28:23 AM
Thanks for all the info posted here guys. My 08 has slightly oversized brand new studded winters and factory town points front and rear. I have just picked up some good quality recovery gear, tire repair kit and Warn compressor from Modern this week. My airdam has always been an issue (I tried the articulation ramp this summer at the Boomtown this summer), so I have removed it for any wheeling excursions.

I am slowly getting this rig trail ready with a lift, Auburn locker, 32s, full skid plates and ARB bumper and winch. I am looking forward to trying my rig out this weekend and then make comparisons based on all the changes. I am going to so this all slowly so I can keep my wife and the pocket book happy!
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: AV.NINE on December 31, 2010, 09:55:06 AM
I need to find a rim and mount my spare before I meet all the requirements anyways so ill be doing that tonight. Ill follow johnny, someone will need to pull him out...
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: specialk on December 31, 2010, 10:06:17 AM
Ill follow johnny, someone will need to pull him out...

OH SNAP!
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: Joel on December 31, 2010, 11:20:44 AM
Andy or I can lead the third group to Margaret lake and A portion of the winter loop
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: Alltornup on December 31, 2010, 11:54:34 AM
I would love to go on this run but am lacking a 33" spare.  So does anyone have one just for the day or a cheap one to buy???
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: Avalanche on December 31, 2010, 01:28:27 PM
Is there room for one more on this run? I was out of town until this morning.


Todd C
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: w squared on December 31, 2010, 01:45:08 PM
Joel, thank you for volunteering. That helps out a lot!

Avalanche and Alltornup, I'm sorry but we already have a LOT of people on this run. So many that we've had to break it up into three runs, and we "capped" the number of people yesterday. If people that already have spots on the run bow out then you're welcome to slide into their slots...but for the time being we can't really accept any new folks for the run.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: AstraX on December 31, 2010, 01:53:09 PM
Hey Guys,  I have to back out on this one unfortunately.  Something came up and my wife needs the jeep.

I would still be interested in going out if anyone has a spare seat available.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: w squared on December 31, 2010, 01:55:58 PM
Okay folks - that's one free spot. If your rig meets the requirements and you're sure you'll be there, then post up :)
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: Avalanche on December 31, 2010, 03:32:22 PM
Thanks I will take that spot.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: w squared on December 31, 2010, 03:35:43 PM
Done  :)
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: Vinman on December 31, 2010, 04:47:04 PM
Sorry guys, but I'm out. Have fun.
Vince
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: SwampSinger on December 31, 2010, 05:02:52 PM
Avalanche and Alltornup, I'm sorry but we already have a LOT of people on this run. So many that we've had to break it up into three runs, and we "capped" the number of people yesterday. If people that already have spots on the run bow out then you're welcome to slide into their slots...but for the time being we can't really accept any new folks for the run.

Really?

I know Todd (Avalanche who has been a member for years) is going now but PAID members should never  be refused to an open run ! They could help you guys out. Like Joel did

I'm sure if necessary you could explain to the 2 Yotas  that  they can jump in a Jeep so the members of this club can go!  They would understand, I'm sure



Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: Alltornup on December 31, 2010, 05:16:59 PM
I'm going to assume I can't go.  It's getting a little late to hope to go on a run.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: specialk on December 31, 2010, 05:42:21 PM
I'm going to assume I can't go.  It's getting a little late to hope to go on a run.

Vinman also backed out so there is room for you ,Alltornup.  And all members are welcome to join us tomorrow.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: w squared on December 31, 2010, 06:33:53 PM
Vinman also backed out so there is room for you ,Alltornup.  And all members are welcome to join us tomorrow.

Change has been made, Alltornup you're now in with Group #3.

Let's call this closed - it's getting a little late for adding new people to the run, and I think that we're all about to head out to enjoy our New Year's Eve tipple.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: comanche killer on December 31, 2010, 06:59:26 PM
I'll be there ridin shootgun with morerpmfred(andy)
I'll give my rig a weekend of R and R  :)
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: silverfox on December 31, 2010, 07:13:36 PM
Beast is gassed.

Food is packed.

Boys clothes are out (Like freakin herding cats so better now than in the morning)

Got some wood..........

Now time to sit back and watch the game
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: Alltornup on December 31, 2010, 09:25:47 PM
Great I will Be there tomorrow.  Thx. Happy New Year!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: Brooneg on December 31, 2010, 09:31:01 PM
I'm Sorry I f I caused a problem with the 'Yota's. :-[

I Have sick children and Family in from Kelowna that caught the bugs as well.  I had hoped we would be recovered enough to go butit is not looking good :'(. If we are not at the Smitty's by pull away we are not comming.  i will call Pook and Confirm that in the morning.  Again Sorry for to upset or push anyone out of the run.

Have fun and a Great new Year if I don't see you in the morning
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: tubby on January 01, 2011, 01:58:06 AM
I might try to tag along on this run.

This will be my sole reason for attending this run.

I hear Robin wheeling is like the Matrix...unfortunately no one can be told what it is. You have to see it for yourself.

See you guys in a few hours.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: mhernden on January 01, 2011, 05:35:55 AM
I'm out. 

I've got engine trouble since my last wheel'n trip... yet to be able to figure out what the hell is wrong with my rig. 

Have a good run all.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: Koda2010 on January 01, 2011, 07:07:39 AM
Sorry guys I am the next casualty. My back is in alot of pain and I dont think I will be much fun to deal with on the trail today. Have a great run and catch you all at the next one.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: SwampSinger on January 01, 2011, 09:38:41 AM
I'm Sorry I f I caused a problem with the 'Yota's. :-[

I Have sick children and Family in from Kelowna that caught the bugs as well.  I had hoped we would be recovered enough to go butit is not looking good :'(. If we are not at the Smitty's by pull away we are not comming.  i will call Pook and Confirm that in the morning.  Again Sorry for to upset or push anyone out of the run.

Have fun and a Great new Year if I don't see you in the morning

Now I feel bad... You didn't cause any issue here Broon... the Yotas were all good. If the trail leader says other makes can come on his/her open run; It's all good too. It just didn't feel right to tell a member he couldn't come.


I hope you and your family feels better soon

you guys have fun today!

Cheers
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: Rubi03 jef on January 01, 2011, 06:53:36 PM
what an amazing day   thanks todd for leading .. i had a blast . one of the best winter runs i have been on
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: silverfox on January 01, 2011, 07:06:49 PM
what an amazing day   thanks todd for leading .. i had a blast . one of the best winter runs i have been on

+1 from me

The boys and I had a hoot.  Both of them fell asleep before we got to 22.  Who knew winter wheeling could be so fun. 

Can we go again tomorrow  ;D
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: Bone206 on January 01, 2011, 07:11:51 PM
Thanks to Todd for leading, and giving us JK'ers the lead to take the tops off. What a killer day.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: Rich99 on January 01, 2011, 07:19:47 PM
Thanks to Kevin for a very interesting run. Was a great day of winter wheelin'
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: w squared on January 01, 2011, 08:05:49 PM
Really?

I know Todd (Avalanche who has been a member for years) is going now but PAID members should never  be refused to an open run ! They could help you guys out. Like Joel did

I'm sure if necessary you could explain to the 2 Yotas  that  they can jump in a Jeep so the members of this club can go!  They would understand, I'm sure





Hey Dom. This is pretty much a dead issue since the run has already happened, and everyone had a good time - but I'd like to explain my reasoning. I absolutely understand your point, and I had to stop and think about my reply before I posted up - it's definitely not a simple question. I hope that once I explain my reasoning it'll make sense.

The reason that I didn't ask someone else to step aside is that I didn't think it was fair to tell a guy who signed up two weeks ago for an open run that they are no longer welcome at the last minute. The last couple of requests to join the run came in less than 24 hours before the run's start. Normally, last minute joiners are always welcome...but if someone has asked to come on the run a couple of weeks ago and I punt them off at the the last minute because someone with a membership card wants their spot then I don't think that sends the right message...and I think that it's pretty likely to leave a sour taste in their mouth. When it comes to open runs, I think that we should make every effort to encourage people who aren't yet members to come out, enjoy wheeling, and see what we're really about.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: Alltornup on January 01, 2011, 08:21:27 PM
As being the latest guy trying to go wheeling and try out my new 33's I appreciate you letting me go with you.  I only pounded on it twice and nothing broke ( having a dana35 and all).  But I don't have buddy's that wheel anymore so the only way I can safely test out my rig is to go on a run like this.  I learned that maybe I need to re-gear cause coming down the hill it was only quick or even quicker if I hit the binders (I got 3-speed auto).  But Cheers to your Club. This is the third time I've been out with you and ya never make anyone feel unwanted or unsafe. 
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: w squared on January 01, 2011, 08:23:56 PM
I'm glad that we were able to slide you in, and even more glad that you had a good run with us, and that your 33's are working for you.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: bushman67 on January 05, 2011, 04:59:25 PM
Hi all... Sorry I got bogged down early in the week. Some of you have sent me personal messages for pix. For those, I'll gather your emails.

If anyone in the "easy" group wish the link you just email me.

I have some pix of rigs from the locker group. Some rigs I know, some I don't... I know I got Noel's.

For those that do view the pix, give those other guys a heads up and email me for pix.

NOTE: please respect copyright notices on these photos.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: jeepjones on January 07, 2011, 05:41:20 PM
As being the latest guy trying to go wheeling and try out my new 33's I appreciate you letting me go with you.  I only pounded on it twice and nothing broke ( having a dana35 and all).  But I don't have buddy's that wheel anymore so the only way I can safely test out my rig is to go on a run like this.  I learned that maybe I need to re-gear cause coming down the hill it was only quick or even quicker if I hit the binders (I got 3-speed auto).  But Cheers to your Club. This is the third time I've been out with you and ya never make anyone feel unwanted or unsafe. 

The D35 isn't as weak as you think it is.
Title: Re: New Year's Day Run - Info in first post
Post by: silverfox on January 08, 2011, 10:30:24 AM
Hey Folks,

I spliced a bunch of clips from the "easy group"  If you would like to see it just drop me a PM with your email addy and I will link it too you with the password.