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4x4 Related Groups => General Talk => Topic started by: CB3 on December 20, 2010, 01:17:05 AM
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Hi, I'm CB3. I am not an Interco employee. I'm a 4x4 owner who lives in USA WA State between British Columbia and Oregon. I live near Mt St Helens. At medium and higher elevations during winter I have similar weather to Western Canada with winter ice and snow. At lower elevations I have lots of mud. I want a tire that can get it done on mud, snow, and ice, and be good at other offroad terrains, and be a good daily driver tire on highway.
I like Trxus MT. I find them good on all terrains on and off road, including winter roads and daily driving on road. I think they'd be even better for winter roads, all purpose use, and for daily driving on highway if there was a good selection of tall skinny and tall medium width sizes.
If you like to have more skinny and medium width sizes of Trxus MT, please vote for 3 sizes you'd like to have. Your votes will make the new sizes (that are voted for) possible to get made.
If there is sufficient interest, Interco might make the most popularly requested sizes.
I talked with a senior Interco employee about this. He suggested I make a thread about it at whatever forum I belong to. He told me to contact him after the thread is finished, and he will review it. If there is sufficient interest, he will submit it to Interco management for consideration, and the most popularly requested sizes will have a good chance of getting made.
He said new sizes have to be based on existing molds. i.e. - new heights must based on existing widths.
The existing molds can make 10.1, 10.5, 10.8, and/or 11.2 section width tires. Those are the section widths we have to choose from in whatever heights we want, within the limitations of how tall a radial tire sidewall can be relative to section width and still corner acceptably on road (for the given rim height and load rating). Using this information, I have compiled a list of likely size choices.
Please vote for 3 sizes you want. If you do not see the size you want listed in the polling area above, please post a size request. I will submit poll results and on-topic posts to Interco.
It's up to you which new sizes get made. The sizes with most votes/posts will be most likely to be made.
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Note: Interco is currently in the process of resuming production of all Trxus MT sizes they previously made. Production is being resumed one size at a time. Several sizes are already back in production and available (such as 33 X 12.5 R15 and 34 X 12.5 R16). All previously made sizes will soon be available in tire stores again (over next few months). Interco is also willing to consider making new popularly requested sizes based on your votes and posts in this thread.
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P.S. - I omitted the following sizes because they are already being made:
31 X 10.8 R15C is already made (though it's called a 31 X 10.5)
32 X 10.5 R16 is already made (265/75R16D)
33 X 10.1 R16 is already made (255/85R16D)
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I plan to submit the poll and on-topic posts to Interco at end of January 2011.
Thank you for your participation, CB3
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This post (post #2) is unnecessary and I'd like to delete it, but don't know how. How can I delete this post?
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Tell interco to worry more about making truxus MTs balance. The weight required to balance them is rediculious.
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CB3 the yellow type you used for your post is hard to read, but that may be due to my screen color for the main page when logged on.
esi, my oppinion: if they were to remove the few ounces of rubber they use on the sidewall to build up the tire name they would be easier to balance. Other than that, they are a large lug tire with soft component that will loose pieces and throw the balance off every time that happens. I've gone to balance beads and am more than happy with the tire.
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are the tires actually sold as all the sizes listed(lt flotation tires), or are they the flotation size conversion of the lt metric sizes, if so, it may be helpfull to use the sizes they are sold as.
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CB3 the yellow type you used for your post is hard to read, but that may be due to my screen color for the main page when logged on.
esi, my oppinion: if they were to remove the few ounces of rubber they use on the sidewall to build up the tire name they would be easier to balance. Other than that, they are a large lug tire with soft component that will loose pieces and throw the balance off every time that happens. I've gone to balance beads and am more than happy with the tire.
My screen is dark grey and yellow is easy for me to read. I will change the yellow font to something easy for everyone to read. What should I change it to?
Your idea about saving weight by not having the raised letters sounds like a great idea to me. I'm not sure if Interco will agree, but I think it's a great idea.
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are the tires actually sold as all the sizes listed(lt flotation tires), or are they the flotation size conversion of the lt metric sizes, if so, it may be helpfull to use the sizes they are sold as.
It is my intention/hope that they be listed and sold using the flotation/inches sizes I posted, but Interco will have final say on that (and everything).
You have made me realize something though, I should go check their metric sizes to see of they already offer some of the R16 and R17 sizes I stated in flotation/inches sizes. Color me embarrassed if some of those R16, R17 sizes in the poll already exist in R16, R17 metric sizes.
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I appreciate others concerns about balancing.
I have experienced is that a narrower tire (of same height) is much lighter and easier to balance than a wider tire.
I think the new sizes will be much easier to balance than wider sizes. IMO.
I take your suggestions seriously, and appreciate your input.
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My screen is dark grey and yellow is easy for me to read. I will change the yellow font to something easy for everyone to read. What should I change it to?
Your idea about saving weight by not having the raised letters sounds like a great idea to me. I'm not sure if Interco will agree, but I think it's a great idea.
I wouldn't concern yourself with the post color. The main screen is very easy to read. Thanks.
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i think interco should focus on a new version of the trxus line. some say they liek them on the street and work well off road, but balancing has been an issue as well as they only have 2 ply sidewalls. that may not seem like a big deal but when goodyear, toyo, bfg, and most other tire companies are building m/t radials with at least 3 ply sidewalls and still balance out fine. this is just my opinion. interco has been a dominating tire company in the hardcore off road industry for years but it seems like the mainstream companies spent the money where it counts in the last 10 years.
trxus m/t could be a better tire, and it needs more then a new tire size. and please get rid of the trxus sts. seriously, i cant figure out which tire is worse, trxus sts or tsl thornbirds. maybe ill make my own poll...
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seriously, i cant figure out which tire is worse, trxus sts or tsl thornbirds. maybe ill make my own poll...
That is definitely a tough one unless you have a F-350 with 16" of lift then both are "winners"
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While I do like the traction of these tires, the weight hurts in many ways (un-sprung weight -> suspension -> handling etc.) .
Some focus on BEADS, sidewall, stability (less movement of belts, plies etc. - I find they "squirm" sometimes and not at others) and addressing balancing issues would be greatly appreciated (beads weren't working, went back to road force balance).
I blew *TWO* beads on vacation this summer, which in one case tore up into the sidewall right to the tread. Yes I was properly inflated, yes, they were mounted by professional shops, one was at 100 KPH downhill with a trailer on in mid-30's Celcius and one was at 80 KPH with nothing attached in mid-20's Celcius weather.
Oh and they won't hold air... the two used replacement tires that were put on in BC have not needed air since the summer, but I fill the two Interco M/T's at *least* weekly, often with 10psi! Same rims, mounted/re-mounted by pro shops and the guy didn't do anything special when he did the emergency Sunday used tire mounting - he didn't even balance, his balancer was broken, and I haven't had a single balance issue with them!
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Defintaly need to beef the sidewalls, my dad runs the bias ply version on rig and they are tough but I know others have run the radials and had problems.
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After years of running interco junk, I honestly dont know why anyone puts them on dual purpose rigs anymore. For that matter, they dont belong on single purpose rigs other then mud trucks either.
A quality radial with good QC, not built in some crap hole like mexico will work just as well in every situation, and not tear up your front end on those highway miles.
Offroad performance is 80% air pressure. Tread pattern and compound do contribute, but are more situational to temperature and terrain.
Trxus are a crap tire that I wouldnt run if you gave them to me.
Taking a survey about what sizes we'd like to see them in, is like asking what condiments do you want on your crap sandwich. Its still a crap sandwich, and a Trxus is still a crap tire.
Hopefully thats not to foggy ;)
Disclaimer is that its only my two cents.
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Trxus according to MANY offload websites are a BRUTAL tire. Sure, you might find someone that likes them on a trail rig only , but as road miles start to increase, the Trxus shows its true colors...brown as in doggy do brown, ie crap.
My vote is to DISCONTINUE a garbage tire.
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I have an issue when the burger I eat is less heavy then the amount of lead that I have to put on one tire to balance them.
I like big fat burgers ;D but I have not had a 32OZ burger....yet ::)
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I must have missed something in the title of the thread. I didn't see requests for another tire comparison discusion for make and model of tires. I saw a person get on here and start a specific tire make and model inquiry to take to the manufacturer for various sizes for those that do like and run these tries.
I know I could never be half the 4 wheeler that you all might be but I have gone through the odd set of tire over the years and know what has worked very well for myself.
One day I'll be a wheeler like you all and I'll move up to a tire that YOU like.
By the way, I'll have these ones up for sale before they wear out so I cna replace them with another set of the same.
Thanks
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I must have missed something in the title of the thread. I didn't see requests for another tire comparison discusion for make and model of tires. I saw a person get on here and start a specific tire make and model inquiry to take to the manufacturer for various sizes for those that do like and run these tries.
I know I could never be half the 4 wheeler that you all might be but I have gone through the odd set of tire over the years and know what has worked very well for myself.
One day I'll be a wheeler like you all and I'll move up to a tire that YOU like.
By the way, I'll have these ones up for sale before they wear out so I cna replace them with another set of the same.
Thanks
A new reply. The old one is in your Inbox.
Fair enuff.
The thread derailed, but it is officially Winter and i do believe that off topic of the topic is allowed. :)
What size do i want to see in Truxs?
.bacon
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I have an issue when the burger I eat is less heavy then the amount of lead that I have to put on one tire to balance them.
I like big fat burgers ;D but I have not had a 32OZ burger....yet ::)
Do you want bacon with that?
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I say we build a robot out of Toyo MT's, and a cyborg out of various Interco tires...and make them fight in a steel cage match.
If the Interco cyborg wins, we will all run Thornbirds for one year. If the Toyo robot wins, we'll just keep doing what we're doing here at the CJA (Calgary Jeepwithtoyos Association).
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are all interco tires considered bad? ive never ran interco trxus MT's, but that was the tire sugested by national when i first got my jeep 5 years ago.
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That is what National suggested for me as well and what I got.
To Nationals credit, they have been great about balancing and rebalancing the Trxus for me. I haven't had the side wall issues (yet) that others have said. That could be that mine are E rated (16" rim) while the more common 15" rim is C rated.
The amount of weights needed to balance is crazy. I've been learning to live the shimmies and shakes at certain speeds but I'm getting concerned with what all that shaking is doing to the jeep...
They have worn down quickly on the road. They have have performed well enough but I've seen other tires perform better.
I will be swapping them in the new year for something else.
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are all interco tires considered bad? ive never ran interco trxus MT's, but that was the tire sugested by national when i first got my jeep 5 years ago.
My SSRs are good and did not take that much to balance
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are all interco tires considered bad? ive never ran interco trxus MT's, but that was the tire sugested by national when i first got my jeep 5 years ago.
I have the Bias ply IROKS in a 36" and my dad runs 33" Truxus MTs. I'm on my second set and am very happy with them but we don't DD our Jeeps and being bias ply tires I expect them to be diffuclt to balance. I use steel BBs.
I did try a set of radial IROKs and WAS very disappointed. Sidewalls were extremly weak and I cut two sidewalls on my second run out with them. I doubt that I'll ever run a radial Interco tire again. My bias ply Iroks have taken a beating and have never had a flat, that includes trips to Moab playing on the rocks.
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I'm personally running BFG right now, but I want to switch to Trxus MT.
Two friends of mine run Trxus MT on their daily drivers. One is a Rubi TJ, the other a diesel Suburban. One of them uses them for rockcrawling and has never had a problem with sidewalls. He says they're the best he's ever owned for rocks and mud, ice and snow, and are quiet on road for an MT.
I've heard the balancing complaints about Trxus when reading on Internet, but I've also read many Internet sources who say they balance fine. My two local friends who run them have no balancing problems. At least no more than I've had with my Coopers ST and now BFG.
One thing to consider, a narrower tire is a lot lighter than a wide tire, which means narrower sizes would be easier to balance.
The US Military is now buying Trxus MT for their Hummers as fast as Interco can make them. Why would they do that?
I think they're a good tire and I'd like to have some 33 X 10.8 or 11.2 R15 or 34 X 10.8 or 11.2 R15 for my LJ Rubicon.
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While I do like the traction of these tires, the weight hurts in many ways (un-sprung weight -> suspension -> handling etc.).
With regard to the above, I've compared BFG KM2 weight to Trxus MT, and others. Those are the two lightest weight MT I've seen. Compare the weights of same sizes and load ratings. The KM2 and Trxus MT are very similar weight to each other, and much lighter than most other brands.
Then consider that a Trxus MT runs about 1" taller in flotation/inch sizes than a BFG. I mean IRL sizes, not their company website stats. I have BFG and two friends have Trxus MT. Their 33 Trxus MT are a full inch taller than my BFG 33.
Considering that, the Trxus MT is light weight per size and load rating, IMO.
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I don't think you'll find a lot of love here for Interco. You're arguing with people who have actually tried them personally and gotten burned vs your the internet experience you've read and 2nd hand experience from your friends.
No way I'll run a radial Interco after my experience with them and while I love the Bias Plys I have they are WAY too heavy for DD.
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I've used them for years as have friends. None of us has has any balancing issues or failures. Side by side traction comparisons with other tires is as good as any dual purpose tire from my personal experience.
This is what I love about this club. If you do not conform, you are ripped to shreds. Very friendly...
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I would never get anything from swamper or toyos cause thats what everybody has . :o ;D
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This is what I love about this club. If you do not conform, you are ripped to shreds. Very friendly...
Oh christ, save the snivling for your group therapy sessions.
God forbid anyone tell the truth about a product on this board............
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I'm personally running BFG right now, but I want to switch to Trxus MT.
Two friends of mine run Trxus MT on their daily drivers. One is a Rubi TJ, the other a diesel Suburban. One of them uses them for rockcrawling and has never had a problem with sidewalls. They're good on rocks and mud, and quiet on road for an MT.
I've heard the balancing complaints about Trxus when reading on Internet, but I've also read many Internet sources who say they balance fine. My two local friends who run them have no balancing problems. At least no more than I've had with my Coopers ST and now BFG.
One thing to consider, a narrower tire is a lot lighter than a wide tire, which means narrower sizes would be easier to balance.
The US Military is now buying Trxus MT for their Hummers as fast as Interco can make them. Why would they do that?
I think they're a good tire and I'd like to have some 33 X 10.8 R15 or 34 X 10.8 R15 for my LJ Rubicon.
Honestly CB, you have just listed 3 of the worst MT tires in offroad history. The BFG is by far one of the all time shittiest offroad tires every built. Its winter traction without siping is up there with a TSL. Basically comparible to a hockey puck. Their side walls prone to gashing and in anything taller then a 33 they flex so much that they actually increase the probability of death wobble when installed on a worn or compromised front end.
The SST is made up of a terrible compound that wears exceptionally fast but still wont stick to anything. They are cheap for a reason.
If your application is pretty mild, then you might be well served by some of these poor performing tires, but seriously, there is better out there then the tires you are talking about in this thread.
The problem with threads like this is all you get 90% of the time is "run what I do, its awesome cause I run it". If you do luck out to get a non biased opinion, all the self promoters usually get butthurt and start crying foul as soon as anything negative is said about the stuff they run.
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I don't think you'll find a lot of love here for Interco. You're arguing with people who have actually tried them personally and gotten burned vs your the internet experience you've read and 2nd hand experience from your friends.
No way I'll run a radial Interco after my experience with them and while I love the Bias Plys I have they are WAY too heavy for DD.
My local friends have each bought their second sets of Trxus MT, they like them so much. That's a pretty good recommendation to me. They've tried all the Cooper, BFG, Toyo, Dean, Mickey Thompson, and Cepek stuff and they prefer Trxus MT. I've personally tried a good variety of Cooper and BFG stuff myself. I want to try Trxus MT next, but I want them in a size I want.
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Honestly CB, you have just listed 3 of the worst MT tires in offroad history. The BFG is by far one of the all time shittiest offroad tires every built. Its winter traction without siping is up there with a TSL. Basically comparible to a hockey puck. Their side walls prone to gashing and in anything taller then a 33 they flex so much that they actually increase the probability of death wobble when installed on a worn or compromised front end.
The SST is made up of a terrible compound that wears exceptionally fast but still wont stick to anything. They are cheap for a reason.
If your application is pretty mild, then you might be well served by some of these poor performing tires, but seriously, there is better out there then the tires you are talking about in this thread.
The problem with threads like this is all you get 90% of the time is "run what I do, its awesome cause I run it". If you do luck out to get a non biased opinion, all the self promoters usually get butthurt and start crying foul as soon as anything negative is said about the stuff they run.
I said Cooper ST, which is different from STT, but I see your point.
Here is the thing, the poll will be on topic whether the posts are or not. Although the posts in the thread might be off topic, I'm not worried about it because the poll is on topic. That's why I made a poll. A poll will always be on topic. I can choose whether to submit to Interco both the poll and posts, or just the poll.
As for the posts in the thread, whether they are directly on topic or not, they do contain useful information. So I am happy to read them. Thanks guys.
Also, I think people at this forum have been very nice to me, whether they agree with me or not. I say that relative to some USA forums where I get flamed about snow or ice topics by guys in Texas or Arizona who don't know **** about those topics, but think they know all. I don't tell them about cactus or sand.
One thing about this forum, I do think you guys know your terrains, climates, and tires, which are similar to mine. So I respect your opinions, whether you agree with me or not. I am learning many good things here.
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how do I delete this post?
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The only Interco tire I've ever run was a set of 34x10.50x15 BIAS PLY LTB's. Now those were fun. Noisy as hell on the street, and had flat spots in the morning, but offroad look the hell out! Went anywhere I pointed them. Never had any sidewall issues. They balanced ok, but I didn't care. I'm currently looking for another set :)
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how do I delete this post?
Unfortunately, you can only delete your posts, not the entire thread. Only a sysop can delete the entire thread.
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I've used them for years as have friends. None of us has has any balancing issues or failures. Side by side traction comparisons with other tires is as good as any dual purpose tire from my personal experience.
This is what I love about this club. If you do not conform, you are ripped to shreds. Very friendly...
I appreciate your input on the tires.
I like this club. IMO the guys here have been nice to me. They stated their opinions without making any personal attacks on me.
As forums go, this one is friendly and decent compared to some USA forums I've been to. It's pitiful when I'm at a USA forum and some idiot in Texas or Arizona desert acts like they know more about snow, ice, and mud than I do, and flames me about those things. I don't lecture those guys in Arizona or Texas about cactus or very hot temps, or things I know little about, buy they have the nerve to act like they know more than me about mud, snow, and ice. Also, the profanity and vulgarity at some USA forums is beyond filth.
The guys at this forum are knowledgeable about snow and ice, and do know what they are talking about. I respect you all. No one at this forum has ever flamed me.
I think you've all been honest about your opinions, informative, and respectful to me personally, even if not to Interco. I have no complaints. I like this forum and I like the people here. I know you know about the climates and terrains I'm interested in.
I appreciate you guys and I respect you.
I think some of the constructive comments about Trxus MT tires will help Interco, if they make use of the info. For example, someone said the Trxus tires would be lighter and easier to balance, if the words "Trxus...." weren't so large and raised. That is a very good suggestion. That's constructive criticism that will help Interco, if they use the information. I also think that my idea of narrow and medium width tires will make the tires a lot lighter weight, and easier to balance.
So I think this thread is very educational for me, and possibly for Interco too. For those who want Trxus MT in new sizes, that might still happen too.
So it's all good. I'm happy.
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Unfortunately, you can only delete your posts, not the entire thread. Only a sysop can delete the entire thread.
I didn't want to delete the thread. I only wanted to delete a duplicate post I accidentally made.
Thanks to your post, now I know I can delete a post I made. So I'll just have to learn the interface of this forum better.
Thanks for the info
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Here are a few more sizes that I forgot to include in the poll:
33 X 11.2 R15C I like this one for my armored LJ Rubi.
34 X 11.2 R15C I like this one for my armored LJ Rubi.
33 X 11.2 R16D
33 X 11.2 R16E
34 X 11.2 R16D
34 X 11.2 R16E
35 X 11.2 R16D
35 X 11.2 R16E
Anyone want one of those sizes?