Calgary Jeep Association
Off Highway Staging Area => CJA Events => Topic started by: mrjeep4 on May 18, 2011, 02:10:43 PM
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The Calgary Jeep Association is pleased to announce the 4th annual Off-Road 101Course
This is a one day course that will introduce participants to the basic skills that are necessary during an Off-Road adventure, as well as safe and environmentally friendly practices while on the trail.
Rough outline of the day:
The course will take place at the Mclean Creek off highway land use area. We will be meeting at the Mclean Creek store from 7:30 am to 8:30 am. At 9am we'll start with introduction to off roading instruction, along with various beginner obstacles to get you acquainted with your jeeps capabilities. Around noon we'll have a short lunch break ( you're responsible to bring your own lunch) Then we'll head out for a trail ride with CJA members providing instruction and support throughout the way.
The number of participants will be limited to 20 per day, Registration page will be opening very soon
Registration page open http://offroad101.calgaryjeep.com (http://offroad101.calgaryjeep.com)
Date: June 18, 19, 2011
Entry fee: Donation to the Calgary Jeep Association Trail Fund.
**The trail fund is used to build and maintain the local OHV (Off Highway Vehicle) trail system in order to insure that future generations can enjoy it. **
Vehicle Requirements to attend
• Must be a Jeep Product that has off road capabilities
• Must have up to date Registration, Insurance and License plates
• Must have front tow points properly secured to the vehicle
• A proper seat belt for each passenger and driver
• Must have good quality tires (no worn out and bald tires please)
Driver and Participants
• The owner of the vehicle must be present
• The driver must have a valid driver's license
• All non CJA members must sign a liability waver
Drugs and alcohol is strictly prohibited. You will be asked to leave and possibly the police will be contacted
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Sounds like a good way to see how you guys wheel in Alberta and meet some of you.
Can I call dibs on the registration? (Moving this weekend and won't have a chance to check if it's opened up)
Suggested lift? Tire size? or is it stocker friendly?
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Sounds like a good way to see how you guys wheel in Alberta and meet some of you.
Can I call dibs on the registration? (Moving this weekend and won't have a chance to check if it's opened up)
Suggested lift? Tire size? or is it stocker friendly?
Jeep 101 is very much stocker friendly.
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Dracitamo and others who'd like to register can send me a PM with:
-your name,
-Vehicle info ( like model and any mods)
- and what day you'd rather attend ... Saturday June the 18th or sunday June the 19th.
I'll keep track this way till we get the registration page up.
Eric
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If at all possible, would I be able to hitch a ride with someone?
Would really appreciate it.
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whats the story on a 201? are we having it this year?
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Oh man, I was so looking forward to this but I'm busy that weekend. Are there any plans for another course later in the summer or is this it for the year?
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whats the story on a 201? are we having it this year?
nothing planned at this time
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nothing planned at this time
well sign me up for both if you choose to have it
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Registration page?
I would love to participate
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Just sand a PM to mrjeep4 with ur name, jeep info and what day u want to come out. It looks like for now the reg page is not up yet.
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MrJeep4,
Did you get my email? If not please count me in on the 19th!
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I would be interested in attending this.. either day is fine with me.. :) :)
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Trying to talk the Mrs. into taking her jeep in, keep us posted
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count me in! ;D
hopefully have my lift in by then but either way i will be there
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great day for sure. I went last year in my stock 07 Sahara and had a blast. I'm disappointed I'm working that weekend this year. Boo.
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It's great to see so many on board for the 101. It really is a great event and a great way to know your Jeep!
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If we sent Eric a PM with our info/interest should we still submit off the registration site?
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If you sent me a pm you're good ... i'll be replying to them all very soon and lettting you guys know your registered.
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PM sent!
Sounds like a fun day, and a great way for a noob like me to learn something!
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Just registered, I hope that I am not too late to get a spot I really want to learn how to play with my Jeep in a safe and responsible way. :-[ Right now I am having a ton of fun playing in all the puddles and mud just outside of town.
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Plans have changed for that weekend and now I can attend ;D Just registered for the Sunday, can't wait!
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Would a mainly stock XJ with a 2" lift be suitable for this run?
I'd love to come out, but I'm not sure if my Cherokee Classic has front recovery points...........(yes I realize how "noob" this sounds). Anyone know if I can run the "101" as is?
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Would a mainly stock XJ with a 2" lift be suitable for this run?
I'd love to come out, but I'm not sure if my Cherokee Classic has front recovery points...........(yes I realize how "noob" this sounds). Anyone know if I can run the "101" as is?
Recovery points are a MUST and I am sorry but this is not negotiable. if you get stuck and we need to pull or winch you out, we need secure points for recovery equipment as the forces involved are quite large. Otherwise your vehicle would be great for this run. This run is designed for stock Jeeps.
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Recovery points are a MUST and I am sorry but this is not negotiable. if you get stuck and we need to pull or winch you out, we need secure points for recovery equipment as the forces involved are quite large.
So any thoughts on how a guy could quickly rig up some front recovery points on an XJ? From what I've read, the unibody doesn't make it easy.... :(
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Talk to Drew at Modern Motors, he probably has a set hanging around. Or hit up pick and pull. Or the for sale section on here.
Do you have a rear point?
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So any thoughts on how a guy could quickly rig up some front recovery points on an XJ? From what I've read, the unibody doesn't make it easy.... :(
http://forum.calgaryjeep.com/index.php?topic=22343.0
clay may have a set kicking around still.
or modern or national should sell the kits as well. they are kind of costly, but when you are stuck you will quickly realize how valuable decent tow points are.
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Talk to Drew at Modern Motors, he probably has a set hanging around. Or hit up pick and pull. Or the for sale section on here.
Do you have a rear point?
I have a rear trailer hitch (oem class III). Not sure if that counts as a real recovery point............
Thanks for the suggestions for front mounts, I guess I'll look around.
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I have a rear trailer hitch (oem class III). Not sure if that counts as a real recovery point............
Thanks for the suggestions for front mounts, I guess I'll look around.
Yes a hitch can be used as a rear recovery point. However, for the 101 in the most likely scenario only the fronts would be used and only fronts are mandatory
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I have a rear trailer hitch (oem class III). Not sure if that counts as a real recovery point............
Thanks for the suggestions for front mounts, I guess I'll look around.
If you end up finding a set and would like a hand to install them, feel free to PM me. I will help you put them onto your XJ so you can make it out. No charge for my time and labor. Just need the hooks and mounting hardware :)
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Is this open to inviting someone with me? My uncle's a pilot, and theres a slight chance he will be in Calgary that particular weekend, in from Tokyo
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Yes you can have passengers, they also must sign waivers.
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Ah. I meant with his own vehicle. He just purchased a 2011 Sahara and wants to try it out
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No worries - just sign him!
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I signed up for the 101 on Saturday. I can't wait to give this a go!
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As of June 1st ... I think / I hope i've replied to everyone who's registered so far. Either by PM on here.. or by email for those who used the registration page. If i've missed you send me a pm here. So far we have 18 registered for saturday and 6 for sunday. Thanks to all who have registered so far.
Registration is still open for anyone who wishes to attend.
Eric
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So I registered, and I am very exited, I am just curious if I should bring anything specific, or just bring my Jeep :D
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So I registered, and I am very exited, I am just curious if I should bring anything specific, or just bring my Jeep :D
Bring a good attitude :) A spare change of clothes wouldn't hurt, and some rubber boots. Also a pair of work gloves is always a good idea!
Water!! Water and more water. It can get really hot out there. Some trail friendly snacks are also a great idea.
Eric has posted everything else you need to bring on the very first post :)
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Alright sound fantastic! :D Iguana, I am Marshall with the red XJ if you didn't know that already :) haha
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Tow hooks on order and registered for the 18th. I'm stoked to finally treat the XJ to some dirt!
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Tow hooks on order and registered for the 18th. I'm stoked to finally treat the XJ to some dirt!
Thats great to hear. Looking forward to see you out there
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So as of the last post there is aprox 6 jeeps on sun, 3 off them is me and 2 of my friends 8). Is it still going to happen or thete need to be more rigs to wheel?
Anton
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I'm certainly figuring that I am in a vast minority with a WK (although I did notice the XJ above) any other non wranglers in the mix?
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I'm certainly figuring that I am in a vast minority with a WK (although I did notice the XJ above) any other non wranglers in the mix?
Come on Sunday, I'm 99% bringing the ZJ out.
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Come Saturday I'm bringing my zj ;)
Dingman
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I'm confirmed for the Saturday.......sooooo looking forward to it!
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Come sunday...bringing the xj, and a zj. :D
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Wait.... There's TWO days?! Can we go on both?
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I'm in on sunday in my WJ!
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Wait.... There's TWO days?! Can we go on both?
Yep, please feel free to come both days if you want, but it will be the same thing both days
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Wait.... There's TWO days?! Can we go on both?
Come sunday
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So... If I want to come on Sunday, do I re-register?
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You can throw one MZ to the mix on the sunday as my cousin registered for the 101 and she will be behind the wheel of my rig
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Talking to the wife about it...
I know that offroading does pose danger... but anybody have a guess as to the chances my 2008 Liberty (100% stock, with road rubber) will come back intact?
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Folks have brought their Liberty's out in the past, and some body damage has resulted. An experienced driver might be able to avoid that...or maybe not. Some "Rocky Mountain Pinstriping" scratches in your clearcoat are pretty much certain.
If body damage isn't going to cause you too much grief, come on out - I'm certain that you'll enjoy yourself, and learn a lot about what your Jeep can do.
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Talking to the wife about it...
I know that offroading does pose danger... but anybody have a guess as to the chances my 2008 Liberty (100% stock, with road rubber) will come back intact?
you will definitely come back intact!
we had an 08' come out last year and i think he had a blast, however if i recall he did get some scratches and partially ripped a fender off. his problems were the low hanging bumpers and small/crappy tires that don't stick out of the wheel well at all. therefore instead of his tires contacting things, his rubber wheel wells hit. there were a bunch of people to help him/guide him through the obstacles though so damage should be minimal.
the first scratch is always the toughest :) :)
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Talking to the wife about it...
I know that offroading does pose danger... but anybody have a guess as to the chances my 2008 Liberty (100% stock, with road rubber) will come back intact?
As Johnny stated there will be a bunch of trail guides out to help / guide vehicles through obstacles and it is our every intention to minimize any body damage as much as we can. However, sometimes crap happens.
Also, if I remember the trail we did last year, there was minimal branches on the trail for pin striping.
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I would love to get the WK out for its maiden voyage lol. I just had an OME lift, locker, skids and BFGs installed in the last 6 months but haven't really tried it out. I would like to put my name on the list for Sunday please. Thanks
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Thinking of coming out on Sunday, about how long will the 101 take?
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I've been out to Mclean a couple times on Fisher East, and West and another unknown place. I have a stock '07 KJ with the standard tires, nothing fancy, but it does everything my friends stock TJ does with 31" Duratracs does, and outperforms my other bud's old Cherokee.... The biggest thing with my Liberty is the stupid ESP, even with it "off" it is still half on, I found through reading on other forums pulling the ABS fuse turns everything completely off, and from experience works wonders.
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Thinking of coming out on Sunday, about how long will the 101 take?
I believe when I did it last year we finished up around 4ish, so I was back in town by 5. But...you never know what can happen, so have extra snacks / food just in case!
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what sort of donation is appropriate? Just so I know to bring enough with me if I'm able to make it. Thanks!
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what sort of donation is appropriate? Just so I know to bring enough with me if I'm able to make it. Thanks!
Whatever you feel is appropriate. The donations we receive from the 101 will be put into the trail fund. We use that fund to pay for materials, labor, equipment and other costs associated with maintaining and repairing trails.
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I will be out Sunday with the Wagoneer
8)
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Going to be camping out there and going on the Saturday run.
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bring your boots, or atleast a change of shoes/socks...or flip flops for some ::)
With all this rain its probably going to be a bit soggy out there.
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Any update on who's registered and not? I sent both a pm and filled out the registration forum but no word on if I made it or not.
Dingman
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is there room still for saturday's registration ? i have someone i would like to send there
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I've been looking at some of the pictures on the trail reports threads.....with all the rain and tough conditions, is the 101 still do-able for a stock WK with stock tires?
While I absolutely want to learn and am certainly excited for this, I don't want to be "that guy" that grinds everyone else to a halt.
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I dont think you are going to be the only one. I am shure there will be more stockers and you are not the only one that is going to get stuck. And I think it is all going to be a good exp to teach us how to get out and what to do.
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I've been looking at some of the pictures on the trail reports threads.....with all the rain and tough conditions, is the 101 still do-able for a stock WK with stock tires?
While I absolutely want to learn and am certainly excited for this, I don't want to be "that guy" that grinds everyone else to a halt.
Definitely still come out, it will be a great experience and us trail guides will be there to help if you need a hand. That is the purpose of this course
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I would love to see another WK come out so please come. You can get a good comparison with my WK with a locker, lift and tires. Something to aspire to I guess. LOL
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Going to sound like a n00b here but... How does one get out to the meeting point (maclean creek store)? How long does it take? I have never been out that way before...
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Anyone who is going out on Sunday and is unsure of where to go, you can follow me out.
Meet at the Petro Canada in Signal Hill no later than 7:30, we can stop in Bragg Creek at Shell if anyone wants to top off before the run (recommended). I'll be driving a white ZJ with a roof rack.
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Going to sound like a n00b here but... How does one get out to the meeting point (maclean creek store)? How long does it take? I have never been out that way before...
I was kinda wondering the same thing. :-[
I'm going out for the Saturday run, if anyone wants to lead me on a game of follow the leader to the McLean Creek store.
Also, can I assume this event is happening rain or shine?
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Yep - Rain or Shine!
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If I can make it out I will meet you there whiteout.
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Definitely still come out, it will be a great experience and us trail guides will be there to help if you need a hand. That is the purpose of this course
Oh I'll be there, just making sure as I really did not know what to expect.
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I live in Cranston, so will be coming straight out 22x.
Is the Mclean Creek store directly off Mclean Creek trail?
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I am going there from the se queensland. If some one wants and down this area we can meet and go together. I googled meclean creek and it was easy to find + the street view did the job.
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I will be going out Sunday morning, too. I will be stopping at the Timmy's/Wendy's in Shawnessy at about 7:30, leaving for McLean at about 7:45 (depends how long it takes to get my XL Double-double. Anyone that is coming from that area can meet me there. I will be in a black Cherokee on 35s.
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I live in Cranston, so will be coming straight out 22x.
Is the Mclean Creek store directly off Mclean Creek trail?
To get to the Store either come through Bragg Creek and turn right onto Hwy 66 or come straight out on Hwy 22x which turns in Hwy 66. Follow Hwy 66 until you see the sign for McLean Creek, turn left, follow the road for about 0.75-1km and you will see the parking lot and store on the right hand side. You can't miss it
http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Bragg+Creek,+Alberta&daddr=Range+Road+54A&hl=en&geocode=FR17CQMdr98r-SkvvyKEvBpxUzFNmYmG0mJSFg%3BFeyNCAMdrU0q-Q&mra=me&mrsp=1&sz=15&sll=50.895102,-114.667869&sspn=0.021086,0.038581&ie=UTF8&ll=50.920567,-114.615383&spn=0.084299,0.154324&t=h&z=13 (http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Bragg+Creek,+Alberta&daddr=Range+Road+54A&hl=en&geocode=FR17CQMdr98r-SkvvyKEvBpxUzFNmYmG0mJSFg%3BFeyNCAMdrU0q-Q&mra=me&mrsp=1&sz=15&sll=50.895102,-114.667869&sspn=0.021086,0.038581&ie=UTF8&ll=50.920567,-114.615383&spn=0.084299,0.154324&t=h&z=13)
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If u don't mind mr Immortal I will meet u at tims over there. I will stop at bragg creek to fill up.
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I will be leaving Tim Hortons in Braeside ,Braeside drive & 24th street (1 block north of Anderson on 24th) on both Saturday and Sunday about 6:45 then fueling up at Bragg Creek Shell if anyone needs a guide out there. I have a maroon YJ with a grey fastback top on 35's
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Im going to have to cancel I messed my back up worse trying to be superman driving in town hurts bad enough.
Dingman
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I need to switch my registration to Sunday if that's possible. I had something come up on Saturday. I didn't get a confirmation so I'm not sure if this is a problem or not... I'll just show up anyways and follow y'all anyways ;)
My bubba rope came in too, so hopefully we get a chance to test that out ;D
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whats the deal is saturday full. no one seems to be answering pm's or posts????
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I too will be leaving from the Braeside Tim Hortons on Sunday morning @ 6:45. I will be in a black lifted WK.
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If u don't mind mr Immortal I will meet u at tims over there. I will stop at bragg creek to fill up.
No problem. I will be filling up in the Shawnessy area (whoever is open). If you fill up there you should have enough gas to last you the day.
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new clutch new slave cylinder replaced bent steering and steering stabrlizer replaced old wornout steering box with a new to me pnp modal new tie rods all the mud washed out of the rad ;D i think i got all the broken stuff fixed :o
see you all on the sunday
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Sounds good I will have full tank from my are, I love shell gas and will meet there at tims. I will be in an orange jk with a snorkel. So how early u want to be there? Does not matter to me what time.
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looks like im out, family flys in sunday afternoon and im playing taxi. hopefully next time i will get out. :'(
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I will be there about 7:30, leave 7:45.
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Sounds good. See u there.
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I hope i've haven't missed anyone with reply's. Looks like we're going to have a great turn out. We're going rain or shine. Hopefully mother natures shines on us at least a litle.
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Is this thing going rain or shine? Cause, not to be a pessimist, looks like it might be a course in mud bogging. :-[
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Rain or shine ;D
I need to give my Jeep a shakedown run so I'll be going regardless.
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Good job. Thank heaven for pick n pull
Hoping mine will be done tomorrow afternoon
new clutch new slave cylinder replaced bent steering and steering stabrlizer replaced old wornout steering box with a new to me pnp modal new tie rods all the mud washed out of the rad ;D i think i got all the broken stuff fixed :o
see you all on the sunday
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Hoping mine will be done tomorrow afternoon
let me know if you need a hand Al iam always willing to help :)
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Is this thing going rain or shine? Cause, not to be a pessimist, looks like it might be a course in mud bogging. :-[
Yes it will be wet, but we stay away from the mud pits around McLean so don't worry it will still be A LOT of fun
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I will see everyone tomorrow! I have a feeling that this is going to be the start of a (another) very expensive hobby ::)
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I will see everyone tomorrow! I have a feeling that this is going to be the start of a (another) very expensive hobby ::)
Just
Empty
Every
Pocket ;D
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I too will be leaving from the Braeside Tim Hortons on Sunday morning @ 6:45. I will be in a black lifted WK.
Ok once again my job is interfering with my recreaction time, I wont be coming now as I have to leave for Decatur Illinois on Saturday am
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Just curious what time I should be at Mclean on saturday?
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Nevermind I need to learn to read haha :(
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Just
Empty
Every
Pocket ;D
Wow!
That's clever....like chainlink 4x4 clever ::)
Have fun out there fellas
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Apparently I can't read.
Anyone who wants to meet at the Signal Hill Petro Canada on Sunday, I'll be leaving there no later than 7:30.
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Change of plans. See you all tomorrow.
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Ok the other Jason from Chanda is all set to come out tomorrow. he has everything he needs but has no idea how to use it. teach him well . thanks ;D
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Are there still spots open for tomorrow? I would love to come and learn, I am complete noob haha. Also I am wondering where this place is? can i grab an address (i just moved to Calgary a month ago) ;D I already sent away for registration earlier but wasn't registered for the forums and have not received an email back yet.
Thanks
Billy
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Directions
http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Bragg+Creek,+Alberta&daddr=Range+Road+54A&hl=en&geocode=FR17CQMdr98r-SkvvyKEvBpxUzFNmYmG0mJSFg%3BFeyNCAMdrU0q-Q&mra=me&mrsp=1&sz=15&sll=50.895102,-114.667869&sspn=0.021086,0.038581&ie=UTF8&ll=50.920567,-114.615383&spn=0.084299,0.154324&t=h&z=13
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I'm out for tomorrow. The little mans too sick to sit thru wheeling...and I don't like cleaning up kiddie puke.
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Today was awesome!
Even though my rig died in the water at the beginning of the trail ride portion (!@#$!#!), I still had a blast.
Special thanks to not only the CJA members for putting this on, but also for the tow out of the bush. The Jeep's in the driveway waiting for some work on it tomorrow.
Rest assured, I will be back.
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Everyone make it out safe and sound
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I;m dying to know how it went today! I can't wait to come out and play tomorrow!
Anyone wanna give a quick report?
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looking for some info about today my shop jeep has not made it home and I am a little worried. what trails did you guys run and did anyone see the chanda jeep leave ??
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On my way to McLean to take a look around something is not right if anyone has any info give me a call 4039232175
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On my way to McLean to take a look around something is not right if anyone has any info give me a call 4039232175
You should be in the Offroad-recovery business ::)
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Everone is out and safe and on there way home
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That's late. Something happen?
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Glad everyone made it out. Can't wait for tomorrow :o
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Made it off the trails around 1030pm, fun day, just went on pretty long. Very wet
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i'm just got back home now 1:20 am ... lots of rain made everything very slick. I'm not sure anything out there is stocker friendly right now. It's very late notice but i have to cancel the 101 for tomorow (sunday) we'll have it an other sunday when it drys up. I'll be at the store in the mornig to meet up with anyone who doesn't see this.
Was a fun day out ... just not stocker friendly.
Sorry about this guys.
Eric
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Well i still need to give my rig a shake down run if anyone in interested I'll be at the store around 8:30 9ish i didn't bust my arse yesterday geting it back together with new parts on it load it on trailer fuel it up for nothing/ for it to sit on trailer all day :o
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Just wanted to say "thanks" to all the CJA members for all their efforts putting this on, and for all their hard work getting everyone through all the mud.
Buddy and I left Lethbridge @ 5;30 Am, and got back home last night around 2;30 AM - 21 hours in the Jeep.
Would I do it again?... In a heartbeat.
Had a blast and learned lots too, it's just too bad mother nature had other plans for the weekend.
Can't wait to come out with you all again... this rain has gotta quit sometime?
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Just wanted to say "thanks" to all the CJA members for all their efforts putting this on, and for all their hard work getting everyone through all the mud.
Buddy and I left Lethbridge @ 5;30 Am, and got back home last night around 2;30 AM - 21 hours in the Jeep.
Would I do it again?... In a heartbeat.
Had a blast and learned lots too, it's just too bad mother nature had other plans for the weekend.
Can't wait to come out with you all again... this rain has gotta quit sometime?
great attitude.
It can be very addictive. :)
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It was a hoot! Coming from a stocker vehicle, I only tore off my front fender flare and the fender well. It was a long day, with only planning for a 5pm exit I ran out of smokes, I think that was the worst part of the day for me. Besides that, having spotters really helps, and if it wasn't for all the mud out there I think it would have been great!
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Agreed! It was very fun, an adventure for sure!
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Was good to get some experience towing people around, that helped, and I was glad I had a CB radio so I could let the other guys know what was going on.
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Well I had a chance to survey the damage and it pretty extensive. i busted my rad in the last bog when I went nose in. The tree took out my fender, headlight and bumper and the first big bog took out my rear bumper.
I must say that I was extremely impressed with the capabilities of the crew and a special thanks to Eric, Scott, Brian, Darren and Steve for their leadership on this extremely difficult run. This just goes to show that the weather can play a huge part in how a leisurely run can turn quickly. I hope everyone made it home in one piece and tried their best to enjoy the long day.
See you guys at the Peters soon!
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That was a great day! had a bunch of fun brining my XJ out and pushing it that hard! I am glad at the help that was available and I will be trying to make it out for another run for sure!
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Thanks to everyone that put this event together. We not definitely got our 101's and perhaps 102's 103's so on and so forth yesterday. It was challenging, a test of endurance, and FUN day. Only lost an airdam and one of my Hids went out, I am surprised of the JK's capabilities. Thanks a lot to Chupacabra for CB-ing for us and giving my jeep some AIR at the end of the day. Stay tuned for videos of this event within the week. Cheers !
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Even though today was cancelled a few of us ventured out and had a great time. I left early as my front driveshaft came apart and mashed the splines making it unable to put back together! Thanks to everyone and thanks to Aaron for lending me some tools to get the driveshaft off! Hope you all enjoyed the rest of your day!!
Randy
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I'm Glad the Saturday group had a good (albeit very long day) Was great seeing the facial expressions as people where wheeling by me.
even though I didn't have my jeep out and I spent most of the day standing in mud holes, I had an awesome day.
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Yes had a great day but a long day my boys loved it and said lets go again.I hope all that came out feel the same lets not let that rain stop us from having some FUN!!!!!!. 45 at car wash so not so bad i guess for all that mud out there.Well time to grease the jeep cheers .
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Yes had a great day but a long day my boys loved it and said lets go again.I hope all that came out feel the same lets not let that rain stop us from having some FUN!!!!!!. 45 at car wash so not so bad i guess for all that mud out there.Well time to grease the jeep cheers .
45? Man having those enormous tires must make it difficult to clean! Cost me 7.75 this morning...
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Hey guys,
Does anyone know if off road driving is covered under a standard auto insurance policy? I have frame and drivetrain damage and this looks like its going to add up quickly.
Thanks
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Got home at 1:30 AM and had to stop at Mc Donalds cause I didn't plan on such a late night! What a HELL of a crew out there! This was obviously not a 101 run, and I am so freakn' glad. At about 10:00 last night I was finally laying on the gas and I never knew I could go up a hill sideways!
Woke up at 8:00 AM and went to the car wash got the outside clean by 10:30 ... just finished cleaning the interior so it looks like a everyday vehicle again. Next time I do this the windows stay closed ;D
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talking about mud, I weighed all the mud I took off my Jeep after the car wash, and it was 77pounds wet/dry! Time for better gas mileage lol
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I'm Just wondering if anyone grabbed some footage, and if they have a photobucket account to post it up, I will be posting all my pics on there, just search for OnyxGrizzly!
Thanks!
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Just want to say thanks to all that gave me a hand today .(broke another rear axle shaft)
Especially to Aaron who let me borrow his truck and trailer so I could get the Jeep home
Well time to think which route I'll go now with the rear diff?
Thanks again everyone
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glad you got out charlie!
after getting randy off the trail we went and ventured out to the falls....... and on the way, happened to have a wheel 'fall' off the YJ........... literaly passed us. fun times. lesson; dont' trust impacts i think.
bolted it back up and went out to the falls. on the way back out to run bypass trail we got flagged by some guys in a Cherokee to help in a recovery. of course it was a swamped fullsize chev.... pulled/winched him out and then back out.
good day :)
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some pics of today run would be great :)
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Hey guys,
Does anyone know if off road driving is covered under a standard auto insurance policy? I have frame and drivetrain damage and this looks like its going to add up quickly.
Thanks
I think that it really depends on the coverage as I believe some do
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Thanks Scott. I am going to make the call in the AM.
Does anyone know of a good autobody tech who does work on the side. If this cant be put through insurance I will need to pay out of my piggy bank. Thanks
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Thanks Scott. I am going to make the call in the AM.
Does anyone know of a good autobody tech who does work on the side. If this cant be put through insurance I will need to pay out of my piggy bank. Thanks
I work with a guy that does great work on the side. Will talk to him tomorrow and see how busy he is
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Just want to say thanks to all that gave me a hand today .(broke another rear axle shaft)
Especially to Aaron who let me borrow his truck and trailer so I could get the Jeep home
Well time to think which route I'll go now with the rear diff?
Thanks again everyone
No problem I'm always willing to help out in anyway I can.
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The Sunday run was great fun guys =) It was a little more than the 101 my brother and I bargained for! Sorry we had to leave the store as soon as we got back.. there was a washroom emergency and the store bathrooms were closed!
Thanks for all the spots, tows, and directions to the by passes. Also thanks for not bringing us all down that new trail, I'm pretty sure it would have eaten my Jeep ;)
I didn't get any real damage to speak of. Some scuffs on my plastic fenders and bumpers, and a little rock rash on the rims. I guess I'll just have to replace them with something more durable =) .... Ohh and the $20 in wallet damage I took at the damn car wash bay spraying all the mud off! :D
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Hey guys,
I have frame and drivetrain damage and this looks like its going to add up quickly.
Thanks
What's wrong with your frame and drivetrain?
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Hey guys it was a hell of a time on sunday, i have not had a smile that big on my face in a while. Even though we had a few tie ups and got our selves in a pickle i think in the end we all learned great teamwork, and the course went from 101 to 202 by the end of the day haha. Loved it! pic's and videos to come soon!
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I am glad that everyone had a good time. It was definitely a little longer than anticipated but I had a great time helping everyone out and watching the expressions on participants faces was priceless ;D. You guys definitely got a very thorough introduction into offroading and handled it very well.
I only spent about $20 at the carwash, but I spent 20 mins knocking off a bunch of the mud before I got the to carwash. However, I am sure that I still missed a bunch underneath.
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Well Sunday was good, i was not with the main bunch for the most of the day, i had a great time going to the falls with our Little group, it was not 101 but i learned allot of things just being there with you guys. i will gave pics and videos posted on the photo bucket. last thing, i feel very bad about this but i have a problem remembering names. Can you guys tell me the names of the guys were with me. I am Anton and i was wheeling with red Yj that lost it wheel :'( but was fixed , and white Cherokee that had 2 kids in there and one more Cherokee. Thanks allot for every thing and can not wait to go wheeling with you guys again.
Anton
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Red YJ is Johnny. I'm not 100% sure who all you were out with, but I think it might have been Fraser (whiteout) and Dave (Broken Axel)
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I am the gold wagon in front of you Andy. I was on the third run lol helping Charlie make it out with a broken axle shaft We turned around a bout a mile from where you turned around helping Randy get out.
We stopped every hundred yards or so to pour water on the hot logs holding his axle shaft in place from catching fire.
Kudos to commancherunner for letting Charlie use his truck and trailer to get his jeep home while everyone continued on
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Hey guys,
Does anyone know if off road driving is covered under a standard auto insurance policy? I have frame and drivetrain damage and this looks like its going to add up quickly.
Thanks
It really depends on who you are insured with, and it could vary on what they will/will not cover depending on the circumstances.
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I'm not one for missing wheeling trips, but due to some issues with the Jeep, I decided I should stay home. Figured it wouldn't be that clean of a run with how wet it was out there and there would be a lot of extra carnage. Reading, I'm glad I missed out on this trip. Passing an out of province inspection would have been brutal if anything were to happen. Sounds like some cherry's got popped.
I might get banned for this or my comment removed, but I think I can share my opinion here.
If these stockers were getting banged up as bad as these guys are talking about, why wasn't a decision made to show these guys easier trails or suggest another day like Sunday. Sure you had fun, but some of the stockers are going to be out some major cash doing needless repairs. I would think that the ones leading this or those with more experience would have given the suggestions to the Stockers and noob wheelers to prevent the carnage. "Very Stocker Friendly" wasn't really showen in the comments here. Ya, we wheel and we break stuff... it happens, however reading these posts have given me a different insight on what is said and what is done here. Maybe one day I can be showen that I have the wrong opinion, but I'm not on this huge adrinaline rush as most of you are and in the next weeks when these guys realize how much it's going to cost them, how many will be getting together to help each other with the repairs? (Suggesting a mechanic is not helping with repairs)Where were the introductions? Why are guys wondering who was wheeling in front of them and behind them? My opinion would be for the guys to spend a little more time before going out and getting introduced. Personally, I wouldn't want anyone in front of me or behind me that I don't know. And if we wheel together, we wrench together. Anyway, I hope you all had a good weekend. Those of you who might need an extra hand wrenching, (I feel sorry for you if they just let you break your stuff and then told you to shove off and find a mechanic) I should be free in the evenings after I get my Jeep finished. I don't know everything, but extra set of hands is always good to have. (especially that guy who busted up his drivetrain)
Insurance - Don't worry about your insurance. It's not covered under standard auto insurance. You are going to have to pay for this out of pocket. If it were even possible, you wouldn't want to claim through insurance. They will only boost your premiums. You think paying 1000 for a small repair is bad? Your insurance would increase and you would pay over 3000 over the next few years. They are a business and will make their money off you. Busting the piggy bank is your cheapest route to go, and only route really.
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I'm not one for missing wheeling trips, but due to some issues with the Jeep, I decided I should stay home. Figured it wouldn't be that clean of a run with how wet it was out there and there would be a lot of extra carnage. Reading, I'm glad I missed out on this trip. Passing an out of province inspection would have been brutal if anything were to happen. Sounds like some cherry's got popped.
I might get banned for this or my comment removed, but I think I can share my opinion here.
If these stockers were getting banged up as bad as these guys are talking about, why wasn't a decision made to show these guys easier trails or suggest another day like Sunday. Sure you had fun, but some of the stockers are going to be out some major cash doing needless repairs. I would think that the ones leading this or those with more experience would have given the suggestions to the Stockers and noob wheelers to prevent the carnage. "Very Stocker Friendly" wasn't really showen in the comments here. Ya, we wheel and we break stuff... it happens, however reading these posts have given me a different insight on what is said and what is done here. Maybe one day I can be showen that I have the wrong opinion, but I'm not on this huge adrinaline rush as most of you are and in the next weeks when these guys realize how much it's going to cost them, how many will be getting together to help each other with the repairs? (Suggesting a mechanic is not helping with repairs)Where were the introductions? Why are guys wondering who was wheeling in front of them and behind them? My opinion would be for the guys to spend a little more time before going out and getting introduced. Personally, I wouldn't want anyone in front of me or behind me that I don't know. And if we wheel together, we wrench together. Anyway, I hope you all had a good weekend. Those of you who might need an extra hand wrenching, (I feel sorry for you if they just let you break your stuff and then told you to shove off and find a mechanic) I should be free in the evenings after I get my Jeep finished. I don't know everything, but extra set of hands is always good to have. (especially that guy who busted up his drivetrain)
Insurance - Don't worry about your insurance. It's not covered under standard auto insurance. You are going to have to pay for this out of pocket. If it were even possible, you wouldn't want to claim through insurance. They will only boost your premiums. You think paying 1000 for a small repair is bad? Your insurance would increase and you would pay over 3000 over the next few years. They are a business and will make their money off you. Busting the piggy bank is your cheapest route to go, and only route really.
I think you kind of picked and chose your way through the comments here. Not many of us stockers were "banged up" i think we only have two casualties on saturday, and they were not very major. The problem on Saturday was the easy course they had planned was completely washed out. Then they took a route that was new to them and we got a bit lost. I knew the person in front and behind me every time, we were all introduced to each other and all had a great time for the most part. I think you should read a bit more before you post a comment like that. (not trying to be rude but you should know the facts before you post sir ;) ) And for the record the instructors were great, they always helped us through the stuff we were facing.
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Insurance - Don't worry about your insurance. It's not covered under standard auto insurance. You are going to have to pay for this out of pocket. If it were even possible, you wouldn't want to claim through insurance. They will only boost your premiums. You think paying 1000 for a small repair is bad? Your insurance would increase and you would pay over 3000 over the next few years. They are a business and will make their money off you. Busting the piggy bank is your cheapest route to go, and only route really.
Not the case at all. I am covered by my insurance company, in fact I flat out asked them..."if I roll off a cliff am I covered?"...Got a "yes, you would just have to pay your $500 deductible". It all depends on who you are insured with. As for not worth going through insurance...sure in some cases you are better off to pay out of pocket. But for the guy that is talking about possible frame damage, it is probably something worth looking into.
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I did read the comments. It just looked like it was a bit of a gong show.
That's good the instructors were there for you... again, was just going off the comments about how bad (now known to be only 2) wheels were banged up. Although when talking about frame and drivetrain damage, that doesn't sound minor to me. And the guy who was talking about both bumpers, headlights, and all the other stuff he listed... sounds like either the spotter wasn't paying attention or he wasn't listening... I guess to be expected if you had to take a different route that wasn't stocker friendly.
I was almost ready to retract my statement, but then I saw "The problem on Saturday was the easy course they had planned was completely washed out. Then they took a route that was new to them and we got a bit lost." I'll keep my comments closed on that one. (Was anyone given the option to redo the 101 at a later date due to the change in trail and conditions?)
As for not knowing the facts before I post, I am glad you set something to shine a positive light here in regards to the instruction.
Insurance - yes, if you roll off a cliff... from driving on a highway. Offroading is different. I suggest you look deeper into your insurance. (Just like the people in Vancouver - damages caused by riots were not covered in their insurance. They are covered for vandalism but not for riot damage)
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Well Sunday was good, i was not with the main bunch for the most of the day, i had a great time going to the falls with our Little group, it was not 101 but i learned allot of things just being there with you guys. i will gave pics and videos posted on the photo bucket. last thing, i feel very bad about this but i have a problem remembering names. Can you guys tell me the names of the guys were with me. I am Anton and i was wheeling with red Yj that lost it wheel :'( but was fixed , and white Cherokee that had 2 kids in there and one more Cherokee. Thanks allot for every thing and can not wait to go wheeling with you guys again.
Anton
It was good meeting you Anton, the jeep is coming along great. I was in the white Grand Cherokee, Dave was the Cherokee with us and Johnny was in the 3 wheeled YJ.
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Lol alright, i'm not going to fight with someone over the internet :-\ but if you were not there then you should keep your opinion to yourself. It was a combination of things that put us in the situation we were in and crap happens man. It was no ones fault but that bitch mother nature lol.
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Hope this works, I'm at work right now, posting this with my iPhone.
These are a couple short clips I shot with my phone.
This was lesson #1 - mud-hole crossings, the first deep mud-hole, one clip is the tan 2011 Rubicon, the other was a nice red Cherokee, and then my run through.
http://m.youtube.com/index?client=mv-google&desktop_uri=%2F&gl=CA&rdm=4mz6csp0d#/watch?v=4o9EmiSIyZc
http://m.youtube.com/index?client=mv-google&desktop_uri=%2F&gl=CA&rdm=4mz6csp0d#/watch?v=Ptjw_v2pb50
http://m.youtube.com/index?client=mv-google&desktop_uri=%2F&gl=CA&rdm=4mz6csp0d#/watch?v=N6-95jCTQio
I have another "in car" one going through real long mud-hole (lesson #33 I think, lol), but I don't think I should post it cause there' quite a few colorful words being said, lol.
Hope these links work?
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Links are no good :'( and i think my air dam was the only one to survive! Haha who needs aerodynamics anyways its a jeep for god sakes! Lol
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Links are no good :'( and i think my air dam was the only one to survive! Haha who needs aerodynamics anyways its a jeep for god sakes! Lol
Cut everything from "watch" and then paste it onto the end of www.youtube.com/
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Cut everything from "watch" and then paste it onto the end of www.youtube.com/
oh ok thanks!
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The links worked for me I watched them from my phone. This run was from sat or sun?
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The links worked for me I watched them from my phone. This run was from sat or sun?
Saturday
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I might get banned for this or my comment removed, but I think I can share my opinion here.
If these stockers were getting banged up as bad as these guys are talking about, why wasn't a decision made etc. etc. etc.
As President of a fellow club, I'm going to jump in here unannounced and uninvited:
Please keep in mind that things discussed on the internet can be interpreted a totally different way from what actually happened. Without actually being there, you are making assumptions as to what happened. Why? Because everyone who wasn't there is....you're just assuming in a different way - that's how we all interpret the written text on this fne thing we have called the internet.
Now, I could go on and on with questions in the opposite direction ("If good instructions were being given, were they being followed by the new drivers?", etc.) but that won't help anyone here. It just becomes divisive.
Your offer, on the other hand, to help out someone with said repairs will do the community a great deal of good. That's what being a good jeep community is all about.
Just please keep in mind that you may have misintepreted things after reading them on here, just as others may have misintepreted the type of person you are by your comments. You're probably a completely rational, reasonable person to deal with in real life, and regardless of what you post on the internet, people might not always intepret it as such.
Perhaps mistakes were made. Perhaps things can be improved. Perhaps you'd like to get involved and help out with that.
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Lol alright, i'm not going to fight with someone over the internet :-\ but if you were not there then you should keep your opinion to yourself. It was a combination of things that put us in the situation we were in and crap happens man. It was no ones fault but that bitch mother nature lol.
Well said. I didn't even get a scratch on my Jeep. It was just a long day. Hell we had to go back to our camp by the widowmaker, find and cut wood and make supper in the pouring rain. We didn't eat till 2am. lol.
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I did read the comments. It just looked like it was a bit of a gong show.
That's good the instructors were there for you... again, was just going off the comments about how bad (now known to be only 2) wheels were banged up. Although when talking about frame and drivetrain damage, that doesn't sound minor to me. And the guy who was talking about both bumpers, headlights, and all the other stuff he listed... sounds like either the spotter wasn't paying attention or he wasn't listening... I guess to be expected if you had to take a different route that wasn't stocker friendly.
I was almost ready to retract my statement, but then I saw "The problem on Saturday was the easy course they had planned was completely washed out. Then they took a route that was new to them and we got a bit lost." I'll keep my comments closed on that one. (Was anyone given the option to redo the 101 at a later date due to the change in trail and conditions?)
As for not knowing the facts before I post, I am glad you set something to shine a positive light here in regards to the instruction.
Insurance - yes, if you roll off a cliff... from driving on a highway. Offroading is different. I suggest you look deeper into your insurance. (Just like the people in Vancouver - damages caused by riots were not covered in their insurance. They are covered for vandalism but not for riot damage)
Hmmmm
First off, your facts are wrong......at least in my case. Collision insurance covers my vehicle for at fault (mine or the driver of mine) for damages caused by collision. It matters not were it is. Now breakage is another thing entirely. Here are a couple of examples
Driving down the trail I tear off my rear fender and bumper hitting a tree (collision with tree) - covered
Climbing a rock face I snap an axle shaft no collision therefore breakage - not covered
Doing a decent I misjudge a corner and end up rolling the jeep (side, roof, etc colliding with ground) - covered
Winching myself out of a mudhole I fry my battery, winch, whatever therefore breakage - not covered.
Now maybe your insurance is different maybe other peoples is as well, but to suggest that people are not covered just based on your opinion is just as bad as me saying you are based on my opinion. I know my insurance, I know what I pay for and I know what my policy says and I know what I am covered for. Whether or not I want to make a claim is a whole other matter, as in many cases you assess the cost, factor in the impact over the long term on your rates and make a decision.
I would suggest that anyone and everyone make sure you know what your own policy covers and doesn't...........don't trust the opinions of people on the internet on matters like this, being well informed and educated with regard to your own insurance is smart in my opinion.
As for the rest of the comments.......wow. You take a few posts here and there and make a grand judgement on the people that were out there yet you were not there.
I can't tell you about Saturday as I wasn't there. But I could tell you about many many other days..........
Like the day I dropped a ujoint in my front shaft and stretched the yoke out of shape and the guys I was wheeling with welded it back together on the trail and got me out safe and sound.
Or how about the day I spent in my garage with someone I had hardly met, installing all new brake lines for and with him.
Or how about the time one of guys here left Waiperous, drove back to Cochrane picked up his car trailer and drove back to Waiperous to load up a fellow Jeepers rig then take it back to his house
Or how about the time that 2 members here took the better part of an evening to help me trouble shoot some electrical problem I was having with some wiring harnesses
Or how about the time that another member here offered up some "spare" lights that ended up getting busted on the trail on a retrieval attempt.
Or how about the time that a member here, posted up he had found a M101 trailer for sale............in Winnipeg and offered to go barter with the seller, load it up and trek it back to Calgary without any cost to the member buying it.
How about the member that has offered to me and countless others building up there rigs to come out to his place and he will gladly sit and talk to you about some of the things that you might want to think of when building up your rig.
Those are just some of the highlights in the last 6 months that I have seen (and I could go on and on and on) but for purposes of brevity I will stop there. Maybe I am just lucky and all of my experiences have been positive ones, somehow I doubt that is the case but I wasn't there so I couldn't say for sure.
In the end you are responsible for your own crap, wheeling is not without its risks. Damage can occur on even the easiest of trails at any time. If you aren't willing to accept that, you shouldn't be taking your vehicle into a situation where that likelihood is significantly increased. Now don't get me wrong, I feel for anyone that has had damage on the trail but that is the risk. That is what happens, I have busted a fender, broke an axle, twisted swaybar links into pretzels, chipped rims, bent mounts etc......and I don't blame anyone but myself. It is the risk I take to enjoy what I do, some people either don't have the capacity or the desire to take that risk........that is their choice, but to suggest that damage to someones rig is anything other than the responsibility of the owner doesn't seem right to me.
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I didn't even bother to go to the car wash. I stopped at Canadian Tire and bought a power washer. Outside is spic n span. The interior on the other hand may take a little longer. I may just powerwash it as well. ;D
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I didn't even bother to go to the car wash. I stopped at Canadian Tire and bought a power washer. Outside is spic n span. The interior on the other hand may take a little longer. I may just powerwash it as well. ;D
Quite honestly i was a detailer for about 2 years and to pressure wash the interior is actually perfectly fine as long as you keep the pressure down or keep the wand farther away. Surprisingly most average vehicles can take it and that must mean a jeep will be just fine haha! as for scratches my JK got a few but they will easily buff out :) JKs are a bit wider than the TJ YJ series if I am not mistaken and we went through that one narrow quad trail by accident lol.
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I like kitties.....
and 4x4ing.
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You know what Dracitamo, your comments have really fumed me off and basically you are saying I don't have request for others.
I was one of the trail guides out on saturday helping these newbies. First of all, I did not have to sacrifice the integrity of MY jeep just to help provide a more controlled environment for these newbies to learn to wheel in, but I did, why because we are a community. In addition we provided an environment where they could try new things and see what their vehicles really can do, why, because us experienced members where close by and there to offer a hand if they were not sure or if they got into a situation where they needed a tug. I lost count of how many Jeeps I pulled out from being stuck and how many kms I walked on saturday to make sure anyone that needed assistant or guiding got help. I did not have to expose MY rig to that abuse, but I did without even batting an eye, same with the other guides.
Accidents do happen, weather changes and mistake are made, but you know what, we worked out a$$es off to make sure we got everyone out safely and with the minimal amount of damage to the vehicles as possible.
So before you go a make dumba$$ comments about the way someone runs a trail run find out the facts or better yet, make sure you were on the trail, otherwise squirt OFF!!!
And Trevor, just for that comment, you too ;)
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Well i had fun with all of you that went out on Saturday hope to do it again.You guys were GREAT and did a great job!!!!!!!!!!!.Hope to see all of you again on the next open run .For some of you STOP being so negative we are all here to have a good time and meet new people and enjoy some good wheeling.
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I didn't even bother to go to the car wash. I stopped at Canadian Tire and bought a power washer. Outside is spic n span. The interior on the other hand may take a little longer. I may just powerwash it as well. ;D
I usually just use a garden hose to wash down the interior of my Jeep. Take all the carpets put, pull the drain plugs, park of a slight slope so the water drains and you are set.
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Thanks white out for the info, can not wait to go again with you guys.
On the other note, i have some pics up on the photo bucket, my name over there is Anton0071 people can check them out . For the videos they were too big so i made an account with youtube, there is many of them so i called them all Jeep 101 2011, to be sure it would say made by THE MV Engin.
Thanks again too you all.
Anton
P.M
I Knew who was in front of me and behind cuz the people talked to me all the time and i asked Q"s and what to do, Randy and Mr Immortal helped me to pass a spot that was quite scare to me. (right before the first drive shaft broke). So There are allot of people out here that would help us when we ask and try to learn. And when we left the main group and i was wheeling with 3 other rigs and i never saw them before, they were amazing, they heard me saying "there is a noise coming from the front of my jeep" and next thing i know 3 people under the front looking and trying to help. So i would do it again over and over again with you guys.
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and Mr Immortal
You have no idea the monster you have just created. :D
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Is it going to be a friendly monster or bad one? ???
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The damage that occurred saturday was only to a few rigs... My stock JK got through the day with its airdam intact, and no scratches on the paintwork as well. A huge part of that was due to the awesome job the trail guides did, in particular the poor hombres that stood out in the marshes directing us where to go, while the rain came down. Thanks guys!
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On behalf on the Exec, thanks to Eric for organizing this event.
Second, a big thanks to those memberswho came out to help Eric out on Staurday.
The last few years have been a cake walk with hot dry conditions. We have always said we would do this event rain or shine and this year we had rain and more rain...
Eric and team did an outstanding job getting everyone off the trail and they should be commended for that. We could not have had better people out there instructing. The truth is that these types of trail conditions exist and those folks who came out got to learn SO much more than those who came out in dry conditions.
Every year, there are rigs that suffer damage. A drivers attitude towards said damage goes along way.
Those of you coming here and critizing how an event like this is put on and calling them out, well... <bite tongue>... your comments are not appreciated and you have made few friends here...
Eric, I'm looking forward to part deux of the 101. We will have drier conditions... and everyone who came out last weekend is welcome again. Maybe, we will break up the groups and run different trails.
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Coming from the guy who stalled out in the FIRST big puddle on the trail, I for one certainly hold nothing against anyone but myself for what happened (new engine time!)
Yes, I am pretty bummed out about blowing the HEMI, but it was my decision to be there and try this, and I accept that.
I still had a blast and would not hesitate to attempt this again (granted with a lot less water next time)
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Quoted from Black YJ:
You know what Dracitamo, your comments have really fumed me off and basically you are saying I don't have request for others.
I was one of the trail guides out on saturday helping these newbies. First of all, I did not have to sacrifice the integrity of MY jeep just to help provide a more controlled environment for these newbies to learn to wheel in, but I did, why because we are a community. In addition we provided an environment where they could try new things and see what their vehicles really can do, why, because us experienced members where close by and there to offer a hand if they were not sure or if they got into a situation where they needed a tug. I lost count of how many Jeeps I pulled out from being stuck and how many kms I walked on saturday to make sure anyone that needed assistant or guiding got help. I did not have to expose MY rig to that abuse, but I did without even batting an eye, same with the other guides.
Accidents do happen, weather changes and mistake are made, but you know what, we worked out a$$es off to make sure we got everyone out safely and with the minimal amount of damage to the vehicles as possible.
So before you go a make dumba$$ comments about the way someone runs a trail run find out the facts or better yet, make sure you were on the trail, otherwise squirt OFF!!!
And Trevor, just for that comment, you too
Scott,
I must say that I cannot agree with you more. I have never seen such a great group of guys sticking together and making sure that we all had fun, stayed safe and most importantly, got home. I did sustain a lot of damage to my Jeep but that was not the fault of anyone else but me. I made the decision to venture out to an off road event after the monsoon of a spring we've had. The major damage was as a result of dropping into what appeared to be a fairly modest culvert at the end of the run. At this point, you, your dad and Brian all jumped into action and winched me out. That is what we do as a club......leave no man behind and dp what needs to be done.
In the end, my insurance will cover the damages and it looks like it going to be steep. This is not the fault of anyone but mother nature and we have to just deal with it. I look forward to showing off my shiny new paint and parts at the next meeting.
Please do not let the comments of others discourage the great community involvement and trail runs that this group puts on. Now I just have to go water the money tree and see if the leaves have started!! :)
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WK2008 - thanks for your post. I a lot of us would liek to know the extent of the damage! Keep us posted!.
Again - big thanks to the leaders!
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Coming from the guy who stalled out in the FIRST big puddle on the trail, I for one certainly hold nothing against anyone but myself for what happened (new engine time!)
Yes, I am pretty bummed out about blowing the HEMI, but it was my decision to be there and try this, and I accept that.
I still had a blast and would not hesitate to attempt this again (granted with a lot less water next time)
Holly crap! You need a new engine! I thought from what everyone was saying a sensor got wet?
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I pulled the intake apart once I got it towed home and *splash*
Really surprising as I certainly did not hit the water hard. Guess WK's suck water harder than most??
I got it to the mechanic today, and prelim call is hydrolocked and toast. He'll have a more detailed extent of damage tomorrow, and we'll see it is a rebuild in its future or what exactly.
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I pulled the intake apart once I got it towed home and *splash*
Really surprising as I certainly did not hit the water hard. Guess WK's suck water harder than most??
I got it to the mechanic today, and prelim call is hydrolocked and toast. He'll have a more detailed extent of damage tomorrow, and we'll see it is a rebuild in its future or what exactly.
Holy crap! I thought I had a bad day. On the plus side.....I did see an SRT-8 for parts on kijiji. Can you say 6.1???
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Some pics from Saturdays adventure
http://s1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd366/Alltornup/McLean%202011%20Jeep%20101/
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Thanks for posting those Videos!
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As President of a fellow club, I'm going to jump in here unannounced and uninvited:
Please keep in mind that things discussed on the internet can be interpreted a totally different way from what actually happened. Without actually being there, you are making assumptions as to what happened. Why? Because everyone who wasn't there is....you're just assuming in a different way - that's how we all interpret the written text on this fne thing we have called the internet.
Now, I could go on and on with questions in the opposite direction ("If good instructions were being given, were they being followed by the new drivers?", etc.) but that won't help anyone here. It just becomes divisive.
Your offer, on the other hand, to help out someone with said repairs will do the community a great deal of good. That's what being a good jeep community is all about.
Just please keep in mind that you may have misintepreted things after reading them on here, just as others may have misintepreted the type of person you are by your comments. You're probably a completely rational, reasonable person to deal with in real life, and regardless of what you post on the internet, people might not always intepret it as such.
Perhaps mistakes were made. Perhaps things can be improved. Perhaps you'd like to get involved and help out with that.
I may have misinterpreted things for how they happened, and it's been stated, I wasn't there. I am just going off what the posts showed. There was a lot of fun, I'm sure but I was more concerned with the issues that went wrong and how they were dealt with.
I am adjusting to how things are done here compared to where I was living in BC. Of course you make sure that everyone gets out safe and gets home. My issue here is that the solution to the carnage is telling guys to take it to their mechanic. Why not get together and help save each other money and get together and help each other wrench? Or is that what the membership gets you? I'm was very surprised with some of the posts for a noob/stalker run. Again, just my opinion. I'm sure there were some very talented spotters (which I'm sure everyone was thankful for) who gave up their day and sucked up the weather to help teach others, but some mistakes were made. Driver, spotter, trail choice, or just accidents.... but still a little more carnage then I would have expected from a stock run.
What I find most appalling, I haven't seen anyone talking about helping others wrench on here. Seen one guy talk about hydrolocking and taking it to his mechanic. Maybe I missed the other posts. I could go on to ask questions of why things weren't done a different way or why things weren't checked (i.e. hydrolocked HEMI and having to wait to see a mechanic to find out that's what it was after people thinking it was just sensors? good to see him in good spirits about needing a new engine though) but things being said how they are on the internet and not having tone of voice, my opinions and questions have been taken a little more assertive then they were meant to be. I knew I would offend some, and I'm okay with that. Those who know me in person already would understand how I am trying to come across.
My offer still stands though. If you need an extra hand wrenching, let me know. And for anyone I do wheel with in the future, you can count on me to wrench with you anytime. Wheeling is expensive enough as it is. You don't need mechanic fee's of $110 an hour or more to do something we can do in a driveway or a garage if you have one.
EDIT: I seen MangerineFox post about people actually getting together. I just don't see a lot of it happening here compared to what I'm used to seeing with clubs.
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Im sure there is lots of talking and helping going on, just because you aren't reading about it doesn't mean it's not happening,
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Holy crap! I thought I had a bad day. On the plus side.....I did see an SRT-8 for parts on kijiji. Can you say 6.1???
Tempting, but no 6.1 for me.
A low km 5.7 is on its way. Should be in and back up and running in a couple weeks.
If anyone ever wants to know what a replacement HEMI costs (brand new or used) just ask.
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what does a replacement HEMI cost (brand new or used)?
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I may have misinterpreted things for how they happened, and it's been stated, I wasn't there. I am just going off what the posts showed. There was a lot of fun, I'm sure but I was more concerned with the issues that went wrong and how they were dealt with.
I am adjusting to how things are done here compared to where I was living in BC. Of course you make sure that everyone gets out safe and gets home. My issue here is that the solution to the carnage is telling guys to take it to their mechanic. Why not get together and help save each other money and get together and help each other wrench? Or is that what the membership gets you? I'm was very surprised with some of the posts for a noob/stalker run. Again, just my opinion. I'm sure there were some very talented spotters (which I'm sure everyone was thankful for) who gave up their day and sucked up the weather to help teach others, but some mistakes were made. Driver, spotter, trail choice, or just accidents.... but still a little more carnage then I would have expected from a stock run.
What I find most appalling, I haven't seen anyone talking about helping others wrench on here. Seen one guy talk about hydrolocking and taking it to his mechanic. Maybe I missed the other posts. I could go on to ask questions of why things weren't done a different way or why things weren't checked (i.e. hydrolocked HEMI and having to wait to see a mechanic to find out that's what it was after people thinking it was just sensors? good to see him in good spirits about needing a new engine though) but things being said how they are on the internet and not having tone of voice, my opinions and questions have been taken a little more assertive then they were meant to be. I knew I would offend some, and I'm okay with that. Those who know me in person already would understand how I am trying to come across.
My offer still stands though. If you need an extra hand wrenching, let me know. And for anyone I do wheel with in the future, you can count on me to wrench with you anytime. Wheeling is expensive enough as it is. You don't need mechanic fee's of $110 an hour or more to do something we can do in a driveway or a garage if you have one.
EDIT: I seen MangerineFox post about people actually getting together. I just don't see a lot of it happening here compared to what I'm used to seeing with clubs.
I'd like to point out that what you are seeing is our open forums. You are NOT in the CJA... you are seeing the parts of our site that we let you into. Much of the help and hanging out etc etc is talked about in the areas of the site you can't see.. and also at the meetings and gatherings club members attend. The way this club generally tends to work is you hang out online here... find a few open runs to go on... maybe come to a meeting or two and get to know folks. Then you start getting invited to go on other runs or hang out and wrench.
Now I know that this is likely might offend you and I'm OK with that ::) 8)... but if I don't know you... I certainly wouldn't be inviting you over to my shop to work on your junk or to turn a wrench on mine until I did get to know you. I am pretty fond of my stuff and I dont like just anyone roaming around my shop. My time is also pretty valuable so I pick and choose where I help out (and I do help out) and usually that time goes to my family and friends first.
So just a suggestion.... get to know the guys here... find out just how far they will go to help (and trust me its FAR!!!) once they get to know you.
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what does a replacement HEMI cost (brand new or used)?
installed and out the door:
$6000 used (variable of course depending on km's - mine will be this cost for a 40,000 km engine. Over 100,000 km's wasn't much cheaper)
$8500 brand new
Labour (of course) is a good sized component.
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Talk to your insurance company . they have paid for hydrolocked moters in the past.
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Now I know that this is likely might offend you and I'm OK with that ::) 8)... but if I don't know you... I certainly wouldn't be inviting you over to my shop to work on your junk or to turn a wrench on mine until I did get to know you. I am pretty fond of my stuff and I dont like just anyone roaming around my shop.
Plus the fact that if a full jeep goes missing from his harem of a dozen+ rigs, he might take almost a week to notice. :D
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I have put a new hemi into a ram 1500 that he told his insurance company he hit the ditch swerving to miss a moose on the hiway and hydro locked it. His insurance paid for it and a lot more. I was completely shocked. That was state farm.
It doesn't hurt to ask.
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I have put a new hemi into a ram 1500 that he told his insurance company he hit the ditch swerving to miss a moose on the hiway and hydro locked it. His insurance paid for it and a lot more. I was completely shocked. That was state farm.
It doesn't hurt to ask.
Absolutely doesn't hurt to ask. Insurance covers stupidity... I see it all the time. You would think it would cover a mishap to a vehicle.
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Wholly smokes guys, I was hoping to come out with my 47 Willys as it was mentioned that Stock was OK.
Boy after looking at the pictures, which were great by the way, I have to take my hat off to you newer drivers, and support staff. That was far more than I would ever have wanted to do.
Great work by everyone for getting through what looks like was a very challenging/Fun day.
I would love to be a passenger support person the next time.
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After looking at the pictures, its amazing to see what the jeeps can do when guided with skilled spotters! Amazing folks, it looked like a challenging run and I imagine the skills you all learned are far beyond expectations. I hope to make it out for the second installment of Jeep 101. Good job ouit there for getting all the people and vehicles out!
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I guess this being an open discussion I can add my 2 cents! It seems to me you are all ganging up on one guy who made comments that you did not like! I for one agree with Dracitamo...although I was not on this run but I have talked with people that were there and from what I understand it was doomed from the beginning!
The week before the trip even started Jamal (Jrama) did the 101 backwards and stated that "it us not stocker friendly". If I was organizing a run to teach people wheeling basics I would go and check out the trail I was going to take them on before taking them on it!
Secondly, it was suppose to be a "stocker friendly" run...which too me would mean I can run my wife AWD Ford Escape through it with maybe a little winching! Not an 18 hr gong show! You guys got lost on top of everything else!
I think the only class acts here are the guys whose vehicles you destroyed...if it was my vehicle that was destroyed I can tell you for a fact I wouldn't be as nice...I mean you guys were suppose to be the teachers and they were the students I know if I was teaching someone something that cause their vehicle that much damage I would feel pretty bad!
The guys who led this run shouldn't be congratulated they should be called out for the unprepared twits that they are! These guys shouldn't be showing their wives how to 4X4 down a back alley!
But hey what do I know...that's just my opinion and like a-holes everyone has got one!
Peace!
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Well, I have been silently pondering the events of the off-road 101 since I took part in it last Saturday, and have finally decided to chime in my 2 cents.
I have been very conflicted over the events of the day, and in the end, have still not really reached an overall conclusion about my possible foray into the world of off-road Jeeps.
Firstly, I would like to thank everyone for putting on this event. It is nice to see the initiative to put on a "free" event like this, and it's great for us noobs who just want to get out, meet a few folks, and introduce our virgin Jeeps to some dirt.
The day started off well, and everyone was very friendly and chatty. The gravel pit was hella fun, and it was great scaring both myself and the wife a bit on a few of the off camber sections, and blind drop-in hills. I loved the little mogul run, and got a few good picks of the Jeep flexed up a bit (felt more impressive then it looks though....LOL).
The beginning was great, and left me and the wife stoked for the trail run to follow. The run started well, and quickly got frightening with the depth of the puddles. I figured I'd give them a shot anyway, and quite surprised myself how easily the XJ waded through the water. Fear turned to fun, and it was game on as the trail continued. As the run progressed, the obstacles varied, but overall my stock XJ still did pretty good. I'm really quite surprised at how capable it is. I went in expecting to not be able to do much, and instead was pleasantly surprised by what I could clear.
Unfortunately as the day went on, the smiles and good luck did not progress.
Now I want to interject here briefly, that I completely understand that off-road is inherently dangerous, and that there is always a serious risk of damage to a vehicle. I knew that going into this, and I accepted that my XJ might make it out with a few more marks then it went in with. I figure if I goof up and the truck gets hurt, hey, that's the way it goes.
Now that being said, all of us noobs who don't wheel, were under the impression that we were being led on an "easy" beginners trail. At least that is the impression I got. Imagine my surprise when the trails got serious, and the damage started to add up. Rumous of being lost started to circulate, but the folks in front kept insisting they new exactly where we were.
Yes, I realize that a lot of what we came across from this point on was super fun for the guys with big lifts and 31"+ tires, but for a stocker rolling on 28's, it was just out of my league. Add in being left behind a number of times (so much for don't let the headlights out of your mirror), and suddenly I found myself having to negotiate some non-beginner obstacles with a stock Jeep, and no visual reference of how to get through. A number of recoveries started to build stress in me (and my wife who was questioning how we were supposed to make it through stuff....a valid question), and it seemed we just kept getting more and more lost.
The run was touted as supposed to being finished at 4pm, yet at 8pm, we had already turned around twice, had numerous scouting runs to determine our direction, and were just hanging out with the rain and horses. Despite being 4 hours late, everyone kept telling us that we were fine, and they knew where we were. Clearly this was BS.
I have been taking part in mountainous activities for MANY years. I hike, backpack, mountain bike, do some occasional quading, etc, and I very much understand how easy it is to get mixed up and lost on an unmarked trail network. That being said, I also realize that in such a case, you need to admit there is a problem in order to deal with it. Blindly marching on never works well, and it seemed that in this case, that was exactly what we were doing.
Now at the end of the day (and it quite literally was the end of the day), we all made it out, and no one was hurt. Ultimately that is what counts.
That being said, it sucks to go home to a long list of Jeep damage that occurred from being led in error, blindly down a non-stocker friendly trail. My 2000 xj was in very good shape overall, and it was something I loved about it. Looking at it now parked out front, I have two wrecked front fender panels, damaged fenders, damaged front bumper that sits low and pushed in on one side, broken bumper end caps, two broken fog lights, broken lower air dam, broken headlight bezels/front surround, and who knows what else. That doesn't even begin to cover the scrapes and minor dents.
Yes, for a lot of you, this damage is laughable, and only an afternoon and a few beer from being fixed again, but for a guy who is just getting into wheeling and wrenching, it's a hugely discouraging amount of damage, and a frightening amount of cash to have to shell out to have the truck fixed up.
My goal at the beginning of the day/run was to set aside a bit of coin, and pick up some upgrades to make the Jeep more capable off-road. Now that money (and more) will have to go into just getting the Jeep drivable in the condition it was in before, and quite frankly, that sucks.
The real pisser, is that throughout all of this crap-show of a day, I felt like a huge douchebag dragging people down, by getting stuck, and complaining about my stock truck. Brian was smiling like a kid the whole time, and doing his best to keep me smiling as well. I just wish I could have enjoyed the later half of the run more, but it was not catered to my XJ, and the damage/inability to drive it just sucked the fun out of the experience.
95% of the people that I met that day were great, and I appreciate the help of everyone who spotted me, showed me what my truck could do, saved me, towed me, winched me, and ultimately helped get me the hell off that trail and home. The other 5% of the people, combined with the way the day played out, how it was dealt with, and the damaged it ultimately caused to my truck, are the catalyst for my current questioning of this event, my interest in continuing with off-road, and ultimately in the CJA.
I really am torn..............
And that's my 2 cents worth........
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For ONE your ford wouldn't make it out of the parking lot it's a JEEP CLUB!! 2. It was a stocker friendly run until it started RAINING!
3. We were not lost I knew where we were all the time , I just had to map out a suitable trail for the STOCK JEEPS because of all the RAIN. 4.DON'T GO AROUND JUDGING YOU WERE NOT THERE !!!!!! I have been wheeling myself for 20 years DON'T GO AROUND TELLING ME THAT WE ARE UNPREPARED TWITS , All the guys did an EXCELLENT JOB. I am glad to be part of the group so after 6 beers take your comments and shove them where the sun don't shine. Have a GOOD DAY !!! I also find it funny that the people who were not there are doing all the bi&#hing maybe you should have been there and you could have stated your opinion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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well jar my preserves ...
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great pics! Makes me think it's time for a snorkel. . .if only Rugged Ridge would release theirs before Sept :)
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To after6beers who commented "I think the only class acts here are the guys whose vehicles you destroyed...if it was my vehicle that was destroyed I can tell you for a fact I wouldn't be as nice...I mean you guys were suppose to be the teachers and they were the students I know if I was teaching someone something that cause their vehicle that much damage I would feel pretty bad! "
The person with the hydro-locked Hemi, it was extremely unfortunate that this had happened the puddle must have been no more than 4 inches deep, and him not going any faster than 10kmh. I know, as I was in front of him. When a hydro-lock occurs the smart thing to do is pull the plugs and try to turn it over (or smarter... tow it out of there) like Brian had done. I believe the other newer Grand Cherokee went back with him. This was neither the CJA's fault, or the drivers fault. I drove the 07 Liberty through puddles (ponds) way deeper (3 feet+) with no hydro-locking. Its bad-luck that is all, you can hydro-lock driving down the highway splashing through a puddle.
The other guy that has body, drive train and frame? damage? Were you there? Do you not realize what happened? No offence to him, but he took off on his own. When all of us other stock jeeps got out of the mess and onto the public road, he pulled out at the same time. He could have stayed with us, and would have been much safer! But no.
To bRIBEGuy who said " Rumous of being lost started to circulate, but the folks in front kept insisting they new exactly where we were.", and " Imagine my surprise when the trails got serious, and the damage started to add up. Rumous of being lost started to circulate, but the folks in front kept insisting they new exactly where we were."
Really? How old are you? I heard rumors of so and so doing with so and so... ASK! Rumors are rumors! Yes Brian knew all the trails, I knew a lot of them so did all the other people that have been back there many of times! It was finding the right trail, for us stockers to go through with minimal damage, (Look at what happened to the Grand Cherokee who took off) Hell, we even had a GPS with the trails loaded on it, and a map. We knew where we were the entire time.
Don't blame the CJA, or the great team that pulled us through all of this. Did you see trail markers? Well ok, a lot of trails have numbered markers... but have you seen the maps, they are awful!
Nonetheless, I had damage done to my vehicle, and I understood the risks going in, its a JEEP, Just Enjoy Everchanging Parts!
Thas my rant. THanks again guys for the awesome day, it was a blast even though we did go through some sticky situations!
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Everyone here understands the difference between heavy rain in the prairies and then in the foothills/mountains, right?
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You know this is turning into a pile of crap to be honest. I did end up with a fair bit of damage to the Grand Cherokee but I am not sitting here blaming anyone but myself. I made the decision to take my nearly new Jeep out on the trails and ended up paying the price. If it was not for the CJA crew and their experience and winches, my Jeep would have stayed there for the night. To dbrannif who stated that I "went off on my own and thats why it happened" either I am misunderstanding your point or you are worng. The only time that I was by myself was when I left the store at the end of the day and any damage to my Jeep was always done. I am also sure that if I was to get on the phone to the other members they would have no issue helping me to fix my Jeep. A few already have.
In the end, remember what your mother taught you, if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all!!
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To bRIBEGuy .....
Really? How old are you? I heard rumors of so and so doing with so and so... ASK! Rumors are rumors! Yes Brian knew all the trails, I knew a lot of them so did all the other people that have been back there many of times! It was finding the right trail, for us stockers to go through with minimal damage, (Look at what happened to the Grand Cherokee who took off) Hell, we even had a GPS with the trails loaded on it, and a map. We knew where we were the entire time.
Don't blame the CJA, or the great team that pulled us through all of this. Did you see trail markers? Well ok, a lot of trails have numbered markers... but have you seen the maps, they are awful!
Nonetheless, I had damage done to my vehicle, and I understood the risks going in, its a JEEP, Just Enjoy Everchanging Parts!
Thas my rant. THanks again guys for the awesome day, it was a blast even though we did go through some sticky situations!
1) 33.
2) I did ask. Many people, many times. Yes, Brian seemed to know the trails, but up until things got really nasty, it didn't seem like he was really the lead, or the guy in charge.
3) Yes there were maps & a GPS, but when I was around, it seemed like people could not verify on them where we actually were. The trail that lead us out from the horse clearing was hiked by myself initially, and then by Eric and I again, before Brian ended up scouting it further to verify it was the right way.
Don't get me wrong, my comments were/are not meant to point fingers exclusively, or to stir the pot, it was merely my recap of the days events from MY perspective. Everyone worked together to get us out, and as I clearly pointed out, we did all get out in the end. Brian especially pulled more then his weight, IMO.
I'm not blaming the CJA for everything that happened, merely suggesting that in retrospect, there could/should have been better ways to approach the day, and the situations that unfolded. I think that the CJA is still one of the better off-road groups out there, and I hope they continue to offer the 101 class, albeit, with this experience pocketed as a big "learn".
As for "Jeep" = Just Enjoy Everchanging Parts............that's awesome. Just as good as the "Just Empty Every Pocket" that someone else mentioned to me on the trail......LOL.
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In the end, remember what your mother taught you, if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all!!
WK2008 - thank you for displaying such good attitude, thank you for maintaining perspective, and thank you for summing up this thread by being a class act. I think that everything that needs to be said about the 101 has been said.