Calgary Jeep Association
4x4 Related Groups => Tech Talk => Topic started by: Skippy on September 16, 2012, 02:40:36 PM
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So I have decided that my jk is to small and just purchased as set of d44 axles and am now going to redo the lift on the jeep.
What's everyone thoughts on different 4" lifts out there.
Been looking at the rockkrawler, bds, TF, old man emu, aev?
Thinking I would pref a long arm lift with and tough enough to handle Moab and the rubicon trail which I plan to run next year on 37's
I have a $4500 budget for a lift so ideally I wouldbt mine the best bang for my buck so to speak
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I just installed a metal cloak game changer few weeks ago and have nothing but amazment as feed back. Check the website for vids and tech.
here are a few pics, the flex reaching 14 inches of shock travel for a bolt on is unheard. on and off road is very nice and stable.
I still have a couple inches of bumpstop to remove as they are adjustable before full tire stuff on fender . Droop is crazy for a complete drop in system
http://www.metalcloak.com/Metalcloak-JK-Wrangler-Jeep-Suspensions-Lift-Kits-s/231.htm
this is a fairly new lift kit being that metalcloak from what I gather and read on the net has been pretty standup
I spent little more then you have for your budget but you know how jeeps are ;D
ended up ordering this in from modern if intrested I would let you take a look at mine if u like.
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You do know that your JK already came with a Dana 44 in the rear, don't you? Stick in a set of cromo shafts and 5.13 gears and you're pretty much set for 37's. What did you source the 44's out of? another JK? If not, you may have some electronics issues (tone rings for ABS sensors that feed into the ESP system) to overcome.
What do you have for a lift? Why do you want to "re-do" it?
In terms of "tough enough to run moab" - I've broken far more stuff in Alberta than I did in Moab. 37's (or 25's for that matter) on a well set-up rig (anti-rock, beadlocks, good quality short arm lift, winch, lockers, appropriate armor, and a reasonable center of gravity) and some piloting skill will mean that there are very few places you can't go....no need for a long arm just because someone on the interwebs says it'll make yer weenis bigger. ???
If you've already got a quality short arm lift, your money might best be spent on flat fenders, a 1" body lift, and beadlocks - that'll let you run 37's easily.
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Cool I will have to check them out. That is some killer flex it looks like.
I really want something that I can control the rebound when I am dropping off rocks and will still handle well on the road as this will be my wife's daily driver.
As for the lift as my sig states I have a 2" BDS. I want something with 14" of travel. The reason I am choosing a long arm, is simple, they will give you a better quality ride with longer durability of all complementing systems.
I am quite aware that I have a D44 in the rear, the axles I bought were from a 2011 rubi, where the front has already been sleeved, gusseted, new ball joints, diff covers, brakes, 5.13 gears, lockers etc for the same price as buying a new d44 from Chrysler. So given that I have a Sahara it was well worth it to replace both
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Marketing claims aside (because everyone's suspension is downright amazing if you believe their claims), you will not be getting 14" of real suspension travel out of a JK unless you are planning on running coilovers, or you are looking at custom built suspension. I don't think that it's possible to make either one of those things happen for $4500 unless you're just buying material and coilovers and doing all the fab work yourself.
Long arms or short arm has almost nothing to do with durability of the components. Your single biggest factor in component durability is going to be your joint quality...followed by the stoutness of the tubing in the arms and the welds. As you've been told in other threads when asking similar questions, JK's are a different ballgame than other Jeeps with shorter control arms....and axle wrap is not an issue on a vehicle that already has a 4-link rear setup.
As far as long arms giving you better ride quality - yes....but that advantage will not be all that big on a JK with 4 inches of lift. Odds are a short arm with really good shocks will ride just as well as a long arm setup with mediocre shocks at that sort of ride height on a JK.
This doesn't mean that you can't have a great setup that will let you wheel Moab and the Rubicon for that sort of money....but if you try to get a long arm setup with 14" of clean travel on each wheel for $4500 you will probably be dissapointed with the end result.
As far as your current lift goes....2" BDS doesn't tell us much. Do you have adjustable track bars? Track bar brackets? Have you done anything about steering geometry? Drag link flip or drop pitman arm? Have you upgraded any control arms? (or cam bolts :o) Lengthened brake lines? How long can you make those BDS links on your sway bar? Did you go to longer rear links, or just stick the front stock ones on there? New shocks? Coils? Spacers? Extended bumpstops? What about your driveshafts?
Based on what you've described so far, I'd spend the $4500 on getting the re-geared Rnbi axles under your rig (since you've already bought them), buy a quality set of beadlocks and 35" Toyos (insert whining from the Pitbull guys here!), throw on flat fenders or a 1" body lift to clear those 35's, buy an Anti-rock setup, put on a rear bumper that actually helps your departure angle (gen-right or PSC) and make sure that you've got appropriate armor (sliders, evap canister skid, diff covers) Then go run the Rubicon or Moab with that rig. I betcha you'll find that 35's, lockers, and good piloting skills will take you almost all of the place that you want to go.
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My current lift is a the 2" bds spacers. So it's virtually useless for what I want it to do.
My total budget is 10g's for this winter, the 4500 is what I want to spend on just the suspension components this year, as I am going to be building a 2013 3500 ram up on 37's as well so I cant be blowing 6 grand on suspension.
From my travels on the interweb, it looks as if a there are lots of solid 4" lifts out there around the 4500 range, my question is which ones are people running and have had success with.
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Easy. For that sort of budget, spend about $3K on a very good short-arm kit and some flat fenders, and maybe a 1" body lift. You'll be able to clear 37's. You should be able to keep your stock driveshafts, unless you've got an auto. Then you'll probably end up needed a new front drive shaft.
A set of OME coils and long travel OME shocks would be a good place to start, and then piece together the rest of the kit from Currie and other quality suppliers. Front lower control arms to address caster, adjustable track bars, new brake lines, extended bump stops, retainer clips for the rear coils. Another option would be going with a kit from AEV. I also think that Clayton offers a 4.5" short arm kit that they say will let you clear 37's....but also bear in mind that your center of gravity with that setup will be higher than running a shorter lift with flat fenders and/or a body lift.
If you're going to run 37's on those Dana 44's, I would budget for cromo axle shafts. Especially if you like the skinny pedal.
Speaking of axles, have you thought about the joint between the front tubes and the diff housing? Running locked 37's on there will put more strain on those welds, and the small OD of the tubes on the stock JK Dana 44 front axles has been a problem for some guys running bigger tires. Sleeves don't help with that problem. That's why some folks have recommended Dynatrac or Currie axles to you in the past.
I would DEFINITELY spend money on three things that you haven't yet mentioned.
#1. Sliders. You are going to need them in a big way if you want to run the Rubicon.
#2. Rear bumper and maybe rear corner armor. Speaking from personal experience in Moab, the rocks there don't just give the rear end of your rig a gentle nudge like the trees or eroded soil here in Alberta does.
#3. Beadlocks. They don't make your rig more flexy, or bigger, or louder...but they sure do make a difference on the trail.
By the way...who told you that your spacer lift was useless? The single biggest issue that your JKU had when it was stock (other than street tires) was breakover angle. Larger tires and moving the axles 2 inches further from the frame helps that breakover angle a lot. Despite what every lift manufacturer on the planet would have you believe, you can wheel a LOT of places with a stock JK. Sure, a good quality coil lift is way better....but just because you're not ready to run KOH doesn't mean your rig is garbage.
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yah I would rather do a 4" over a 3+1 I have a hate on for body lifts from previous trucks. Seen way to many of them break...
As for beadlocks I will be getting a set,
I am going to build my rear bumper in the spring as soon as I get my shop set up, and same with the sliders, if not I am getting PS sliders, and a Wurx aggression bumper.
I will be buying a set of cromo axles as I think they are a must have for the 44's
as for the joint, I do plan on trussing the axles before they get installed in the spring on top of the sleeves and gussets
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Smart move with the truss - just make sure that you find someone to do it that knows exactly what they are doing...otherwise, you axle may be smiling at you when you install it back under your rig.
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ya it shouldnt be to bad i know you just need to pre load the axle which is pretty easy to do
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Take a look at Clayton Off-road too. Top notch stuff from them!
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Just looked at Clayton and their 4.5" with the blistine shocks And tomwoods driveshafts is the route I am going to take.
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If you have $4500 to spend check out the deal Tera flex has on right now. You get there long arm lift/ Speed bumps and free Ella shocks.
http://www.northridge4x4.com/component/content/article/77-about/140-teraflex-promo
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yah I would rather do a 4" over a 3+1 I have a hate on for body lifts from previous trucks. Seen way to many of them break...
2 things.
First, body lifts dont break unless its farmer kids using stacks of hockey pucks, and that is not even considered a body lift.
Secondly, body lifts are required for any long travel suspension build to be done properly.
If you want 14" suspension that has works porperly, and isnt stupidly tall, you need to incorperate body lift.
Reasons to do a body lift.
With a body lift you can combine a motor mount lift. With a JK's low oil pan, that is a major win.
Lower COG at given shock travel. As in, you want 6" of uptravel, your COG is significantly higher if you do it all with suspension lift.
Improved driveling angles via motor mount lifting.
Improved driline angles via lower suspension ride height.
Increased driveline range of motion due to operating at more favorable angles.
Ability to tuck driveline.
Ability to tuck fuel tank.
Where advanced jeep building is concerned, there is only one reason not to body lift.
Ignorance.
It never fails to boggle my mind that this many years after the TJ and everything that has gone on with link suspension some of you guys are still spending thousands of dollars to put radius arm suspensions under your rigs............................
Or the fact that you can be fooled so easily into thinking a radius arm arm has any advantages over short or mid arm just because its 40 inches long.
Orrrrrr, that anyone would still recommend anything Teraflex does.........lol
Whatever, its your dollars.
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I understand your reasoning behind the body lift, however I stand firm on no body lifts, I would rather drop the cash into a suspension lift that is designed to take all those angles into consideration and upgrade the driveline acordingly.
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Body lifts are gayer than aids.
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Body lifts are gayer than aids.
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Body lifts are gayer than aids.
Not nearly as gay as a ten post troll like you buddy.
Shut up fag.
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I understand your reasoning behind the body lift, however I stand firm on no body lifts, I would rather drop the cash into a suspension lift that is designed to take all those angles into consideration and upgrade the driveline acordingly.
There is no such thing. You have to move the body away to make room for suspension travel and larger tires.
No free lunch.
You can cut, add body lift, or preferrably do both.
Anything else is a compomise.
No body can tell when you run a 1.25" lift. Your mindset is purely due to ignorance. You can be as firm as you want. It wont make you any more right.
It will just mean you will finish your jeep leaving a lot of performance on the table.
Decision is your, but you should at least be aware of what you are getting into before you make that decision.
Water, meet skippy.
Done
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Dis gun be gud :o
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I just installed a metal cloak game changer few weeks ago and have nothing but amazment as feed back. Check the website for vids and tech.
Can you keep us updates as to how your joints do? They are new to the market, and right now are the only feasible competition curry has for the JJ.
That is a well done suspension. Im curious to see how those shocks hold up. Interesting design to say the least.
Did you make sure you used a lot of antiseize on you LCA bolts? Without greasable bolts you will want to make sure you doped those bolts up really good. Otherwise a few winter runs, and a calgary winter will seize those bolts in there really bad.
Thats a fun spot where your pics are at. I've tested my bolt in suspension there once or twice as well ;)
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l262/xbninex/RedNeckin015-2.jpg)
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l262/xbninex/RedNeckin045.jpg)
Oh yeah, and I run over 5.5 inches of total body lift and cut. 2 inches of suspension. 6 inches of uptravel all the way around. 50-60mph on the trail. 76 inches to the top of the windsheild frame and 20 inches under the belly.
But, hey, what do I know...............lol
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He's not telling you to do a 4" body lift, and he's not telling you a suspension lift is bad. He's telling you that using a small body lift (1.25") as part of your total lift has major benefits, more so then just doing a straight 4" suspension lift, which will hurt ya more in the long run.
You wanna spend 4500 beans on your Jeep, you as well get your head out of your @ss and atleast consider the solid advise your given. In the end its your money, whether you spend it wisely or poorly is your decision, people here are just trying to help you spend it wisely ;)
You won't regret the small body lift now, but you will regret not doing it, can almost promise you that.
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people here are just trying to tell you about the shiz they learned the hard way so that you can decide whether or not you wanna spend your cash on learning those same lessons the hard way ;)
Fixed it for ya.
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Thanks for the new desktop background Billy :o
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Haha i love how heated everyone gets on this forum... I have decided to go with a shop in Calgary and have them custom build me a lift as my new axles already have the evo coil over mounts. Realistically I will be spending close to 10 grand on the lift which I don't mind doing. I will do it correctly to the type of driving I except to do. Body lift or not it will be don't correctly and built to drive nice both on and off road.
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Thanks for the new desktop background Billy :o
Guess you got tired of staring at Justin Bieber eh?
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IMO, a body lift does nothing exept make your rig appear taller and raise the center of gravity, if you are serious about wheeling, you need the essentials, larger tires to aid in climbing obstacles and clearance under the axles, suspension travel to help keep all 4 on the ground to aid in traction and stability, undercarriage clearance to aid in apex clearance especially if your running a rig with a longer wheel base ie: unlimited wrangler, as well doing all this while keeping your jeep at stock hieght vs width ratio ie: go up 4" go out 4" thus also helping clear the tires required for the previous essentials. With fender flares and an easy 4" suspension lift this jeep will fit 37's easy at full flex, so why would you want to make your rig even higher.
But I'm also 15 and still waiting on my power wheels jeep lift kit, Dam things are hard to find.
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IMO
At least you are smart enough to put "In your opinion", because from that post above, its more then obvious that you really dont know crap.
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Haha i love how heated everyone gets on this forum... I have decided to go with a shop in Calgary and have them custom build me a lift as my new axles already have the evo coil over mounts. Realistically I will be spending close to 10 grand on the lift which I don't mind doing. I will do it correctly to the type of driving I except to do. Body lift or not it will be don't correctly and built to drive nice both on and off road.
blah blah blah
All I heard was, " Im to stubborn to listen to common sense. So instead I'll try to fix stupid with my checkbook."
Good luck
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IMO, a body lift does nothing exept make your rig appear taller and raise the center of gravity,
Why don't you stop and think for just a minute. If you want an inch of clearance for larger wheels, what affects your COG more....raising the body by one inch, or raising the body, engine, and frame by one inch?
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IMO, a body lift does nothing exept make your rig appear taller and raise the center of gravity.
So in your opinion, lifting only the body raises your center of gravity more then lifting the entire chassis? Interesting concept.
Head, meet @ss.
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You guys are totally right! My bad! go put a 4" body lift on, slap some 37's on er, and go wheeling. Have fun with your stock suspension and chassis hieght.
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But remember safety first, when your out there make sure you got your high beams for the extra horse and your windshield wipers vertical for extra balance
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But remember safety first, when your out there make sure you got your high beams for the extra horse and your windshield wipers vertical for extra balance
don't be an idiot............. only stickers of all the mods you do give you more horse power. don't be a noob! each sticker equates to like, 2HP. the more the better!
on another note, what rig do you have here? you seem to have some pretty good knowledge about building capable rigs..........
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You guys are totally right! My bad! go put a 4" body lift on, slap some 37's on er, and go wheeling. Have fun with your stock suspension and chassis hieght.
Now that would be stoopid, which is why no one here suggested that. Wait... Why am I feedin this troll?
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don't be an idiot............. only stickers of all the mods you do give you more horse power. don't be a noob! each sticker equates to like, 2HP. the more the better!
on another note, what rig do you have here? you seem to have some pretty good knowledge about building capable rigs..........
I didn't know that, do the bigger stickers give you more than the smaller ones?
09 jk rubi
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Now that would be stoopid, which is why no one here suggested that. Wait... Why am I feedin this troll?
That's 15 post troll to you.
Because your ego needs to fed
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So in your opinion, lifting only the body raises your center of gravity more then lifting the entire chassis? Interesting concept.
Head, meet @ss.
How about stoping telling people there idiots or ignorant to get your point across and try just using the facts. If they chose not to do it so be it but its still their choice. He was asking for opinions not ridicule.
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How about stoping telling people there idiots or ignorant to get your point across and try just using the facts. If they chose not to do it so be it but its still their choice. He was asking for opinions not ridicule.
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Well said.
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You guys are totally right! My bad! go put a 4" body lift on, slap some 37's on er, and go wheeling. Have fun with your stock suspension and chassis hieght.
The chassis height goes up 3-4" from adding 37's to a stock rig.
Stock wrangler suspension both in the TJ and JK have almost perfect geometry from the factory. The only reason they are ever changed out is to upgrade the factory joints, or address geometry changes due to high lifts. Which if you know geometry, you know that most companies frack up the geometry in order to give cutsomers gimmicks like bolt on long arms.
I've won competitions on 38's with 5 inches of body lift and almost stock suspension height.
Like RATM says. "What the frack have you ever done"
Exactly. So instead of acting like a douchebag, and pretending to know anything when its beyond obvious you havnt the first frickin' clue what you are talking about, how about you STFU, sit back and try to learn something.
You can keep trolling if you really want, but Im just going to tear apart everything you say until you either figure out you are technically out of your league, or you get pissy and just start trolling which will result in a vacation for you from the board for while.
Up to you.
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How about stoping telling people there idiots or ignorant to get your point across and try just using the facts. If they chose not to do it so be it but its still their choice. He was asking for opinions not ridicule.
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Body lift hate is ignorance. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Ignorance is a state of being uninformed (lack of knowledge).[1] The word ignorant is an adjective describing a person in the state of being unaware and is often used as an insult to describe individuals who deliberately ignore or disregard important information or facts
Note the bold and then note the relevance of it to this thread.
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How about stoping telling people there idiots or ignorant to get your point across and try just using the facts. If they chose not to do it so be it but its still their choice. He was asking for opinions not ridicule.
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Did you even read what was quoted? That's the problem with people, CAN'T COMPREHEND. What advice did he ask for? All he said was bodylifts are gayer then aids and then went onto claim that bodylifts defy physics. How is that in anyway shape or form asking for opinions, get YOUR head out of your @ss as well and read the fuggin post next time ;)
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Did you even read what was quoted? That's the problem with people, CAN'T COMPREHEND. What advice did he ask for? All he said was bodylifts are gayer then aids and then went onto claim that bodylifts defy physics. How is that in anyway shape or form asking for opinions, get YOUR head out of your @ss as well and read the fuggin post next time ;)
What he was trying to get across was all I asked for originally was opinions on lift kits and that turned in if I don't do it their way I'm an idiot... All I wanted to know was what kits people had, how they were working out and what they would recommend. Not the only kit I can have is a 3+1 and that it has to be a short arm or I am an ignorant idiot. It really is a no brainer as to why this thread got trolled . because there was no discussion it was just straight up remarks and opinions by people who are either smart and can't educate or who are themselves ignorant to the fact that when when someone asks for advise and opinions he would like them with out being chastised.
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What he was trying to get across was all I asked for originally was opinions on lift kits and that turned in if I don't do it their way I'm an idiot... All I wanted to know was what kits people had, how they were working out and what they would recommend. Not the only kit I can have is a 3+1 and that it has to be a short arm or I am an ignorant idiot. It really is a no brainer as to why this thread got trolled . because there was no discussion it was just straight up remarks and opinions by people who are either smart and can't educate or who are themselves ignorant to the fact that when when someone asks for advise and opinions he would like them with out being chastised.
Well what he got across was far different then what you just said, and what you just said is far different then reality.
You asked for advice, you got damn good advice. Don't take the advice of those who have gone through what you are, spent a crap ton money only to redo it, I could care less at this point. Your not breaking new ground, your question is nothing that hasn't been answered a million times before. What is ground breaking is ignoring what the sound advice your given, especially by those who know more I'd bet then the shop your about to blow 10 grand at, myself NOT included. Other then that Im just gonna sit back and shake my head at how utterly ridiculous it is to not take advice because "body lifts are gay".
Take how butt hurt you are now, and times it by 10 when you realize how much money you've waisted, again... I could care less.
I've changed my advice.
1. Go buy the $10,000 lift.
2. Get that sweet poser shot all flexed out on a big arse rock, snap quick before she rolls over.
3. After floppin it, come back here and ask these guys how you shoulda done it.
Was that rude? Yup. Do I care? No. Afterall nobody could possibly know a thing about Jeeps and lifts on this site. I know absolutely crap compared these guys, but I can tell you one thing, a body lift is about the best 100 bucks you could spend on your shiny new toy. Other then a tapout sticker of course.
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Other then a tapout sticker of course.
Tapout stickers are gayer than aids. You're an idiot if you don't put a "No Fear" sticker on your rig.
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Don't be such a pussy. You are on a jeep board amongst a 4x4 enthusiast crowd. If you want something more gentle take up knitting.
The facts, and they are facts were layed out to you clearly and professionally.
You chose to play the ignorant arse and ignore facts put right in front of you face.
No one told you that you have to run 3 plus 1. Specially not me. I just informed you about how body lifts work.
And yes, now that you have been informed if you leave the body lift out of your build it makes you an idiot. Either because you are to stupid to understand common sense, or to pig headed to accept it.
The reason I recommended you off that long arm is because it's garbage and is designed for suckers in the net who don't understand suspension. You pay 4-5 thousand dollars to completely frack your front geometry, blow you ground clearance, and add yearly maintenance all in the name of looks and a smoother ride over potholes. Which can easily be accomplished with the right height short or mid arm, good spring selection and proper shock valving.
My membership fees do not cover mandatory explanations to you fuckers about what you should or shouldn't do. So if you can't figure out what I'm getting at, that's your problem. Your still getting free advice from a specialist that's built suspension for 10 years. You can take and build yourself a better and save yourself some money in the process, or you can ignore and build a 15 thousand dollar peice crap.
I could care less what you do. Like I said already. Water meet skippy. Drink it or choke on it. I don't care.
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It's just like a bunch of guys to argue over 1 inch! LOL
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Lol, Bill... You can have your title back now ;)
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My first TJ, i went with skyjacker coils and shocks, 4 inches. i added 2 inch bodylift. i used Teraflex lower control arms and stock uppers. i ran 33`s in various brands. That jeep was open difs and i wheeld the snot out of it. It had insane flex. i only ever had to replace the stock uppers once. i also replaced shocks once.
i also drove it pulling a small tralier to Tellico from Toronto via NYC and DC, about 2300kms. Straight shot back 1800kms. Good onroad and offroad.
Here it is on TSL`s 33x15,50
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/Spinalguy/Wheelin%20pics/CJA1.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/Spinalguy/Wheelin%20pics/CJA2.jpg)
Next i got a Rubicon. i went with RELA 5.5 and 1.25bl and 1" mm. i had bilstein 5100's in it. i ran 37 MTR's. i drove it towing same trailer to Moab from Calgary (1800kms one way). i did EVERY tuff trail. i drove it home. i did destroy the raer driveshaft and joints. It let go in Moab when i arrived. But, drove it home. It performed well. However, my only complaint was the unloading of the front end. IF i had used a small winch to hold it down like a limiting strap, it would have been a little less white knuckly at times. i never went over backwards though.
Here is a pic from the same spot as the TJ above on 33's.
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/Spinalguy/Wheelin%20pics/157_5707.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/Spinalguy/Wheelin%20pics/157_5709.jpg)
i did have Chromollys front and rear but i still snapped the axleshaft. i went to CTM ujoints after that and never broke again.
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/Spinalguy/metal%20owned/Mods/179_7939.jpg)
If you want to see how it did in Moab, here is a link (all the sub albums are on the right side)
http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/Spinalguy/Moab%202004/ (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/Spinalguy/Moab%202004/)
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Well what he got across was far different then what you just said, and what you just said is far different then reality.
You asked for advice, you got damn good advice. Don't take the advice of those who have gone through what you are, spent a crap ton money only to redo it, I could care less at this point. Your not breaking new ground, your question is nothing that hasn't been answered a million times before. What is ground breaking is ignoring what the sound advice your given, especially by those who know more I'd bet then the shop your about to blow 10 grand at, myself NOT included. Other then that Im just gonna sit back and shake my head at how utterly ridiculous it is to not take advice because "body lifts are gay".
Take how butt hurt you are now, and times it by 10 when you realize how much money you've waisted, again... I could care less.
I've changed my advice.
1. Go buy the $10,000 lift.
2. Get that sweet poser shot all flexed out on a big arse rock, snap quick before she rolls over.
3. After floppin it, come back here and ask these guys how you shoulda done it.
Was that rude? Yup. Do I care? No. Afterall nobody could possibly know a thing about Jeeps and lifts on this site. I know absolutely crap compared these guys, but I can tell you one thing, a body lift is about the best 100 bucks you could spend on your shiny new toy. Other then a tapout sticker of course.
Lol my favorite part about this is how you two think everyone else are idiots and how worked up you got over a body lift. It's really a sad day for the 4wheeling community and jeep owners when the people who are offering advise have their heads so far up their own a**'s they haven't seen the light of day or years. Ironically enough the funny thing is the guy you just banned is the one guy who's gonna come to rescue you when you roll your jeeps on yourselfs out at McLean or the mall.
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OK Skippy... You have gotten the advise of one the most experienced builders in ANY 4x4 community. If you are (were) smart, you could listen and take some said advice. If you don't, then STFU and let it go... don't like it? Go ask the opinions elsewhere and don't let the door hit you on the way out.
As for BucketBoy... I don't a flying **** if he is willing to come out and help anyone. There are 100+ more reasonable, non-idiots that will help out too... no one is asking for his help or his comments.
Cheers
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My first TJ, i went with skyjacker coils and shocks, 4 inches. i added 2 inch bodylift. i used Teraflex lower control arms and stock uppers. i ran 33`s in various brands. That jeep was open difs and i wheeld the snot out of it. It had insane flex. i only ever had to replace the stock uppers once. i also replaced shocks once.
i also drove it pulling a small tralier to Tellico from Toronto via NYC and DC, about 2300kms. Straight shot back 1800kms. Good onroad and offroad.
Here it is on TSL`s 33x15,50
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/Spinalguy/Wheelin%20pics/CJA1.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/Spinalguy/Wheelin%20pics/CJA2.jpg)
Next i got a Rubicon. i went with RELA 5.5 and 1.25bl and 1" mm. i had bilstein 5100's in it. i ran 37 MTR's. i drove it towing same trailer to Moab from Calgary (1800kms one way). i did EVERY tuff trail. i drove it home. i did destroy the raer driveshaft and joints. It let go in Moab when i arrived. But, drove it home. It performed well. However, my only complaint was the unloading of the front end. IF i had used a small winch to hold it down like a limiting strap, it would have been a little less white knuckly at times. i never went over backwards though.
Here is a pic from the same spot as the TJ above on 33's.
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/Spinalguy/Wheelin%20pics/157_5707.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/Spinalguy/Wheelin%20pics/157_5709.jpg)
i did have Chromollys front and rear but i still snapped the axleshaft. i went to CTM ujoints after that and never broke again.
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/Spinalguy/metal%20owned/Mods/179_7939.jpg)
If you want to see how it did in Moab, here is a link (all the sub albums are on the right side)
http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/Spinalguy/Moab%202004/ (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/Spinalguy/Moab%202004/)
Nice rig!
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Nice rig!
I thought body lifts were gayer then aids? Oh wait... You just looked at the pictures didn't ya. BONUS: if you read the words, you'll notice there's actually TWO nice rigs. :)
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even my xj has a body lift, 1" infact. Bill knows his stuff, he has built plenty of rigs and has good sugestions on what works and what does not and what to stay away from.
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I am pleased with my 5.5 inch mid-arm from rock krawler. Great road manners and you get great off-road articulation. By my own admission, 5.5 is excessive, but I like it!
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Don't be such a pussy. You are on a jeep board amongst a 4x4 enthusiast crowd. If you want something more gentle take up knitting.
This made me chuckle. I do enjoy your posts Bill.
Skippy, I don't know bnine, not sure I have met him in person, but I do know from reading his posts and the number of people on here that's ask for his advice that he knows a thing or two about Jeeps. I would seriously consider what advice he has to give. On another note I would be seriously concerned about taking my Jeep to a place that is willing to take $10k for a suspension setup...sound like crooks that take advantage of people that like to flail their money around.
For me, I haven't decided on 37's or 35's yet, but I don't plan on spending more than a couple thousand to accomplish a setup that will work well.
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One of my all time favorite jeeps has a body lift and it's a proven winner!
Other than my jeep of course... :)
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Don't be such a pussy. You are on a jeep board amongst a 4x4 enthusiast crowd. If you want something more gentle take up knitting.
New sig...
I seriously laughed so hard it hurt
It's just like a bunch of guys to argue over 1 inch! LOL
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and the runner up
NICE
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New sig...
I seriously laughed so hard it hurt
and the runner up
NICE
:-)
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One of my all time favorite jeeps has a body lift and it's a proven winner!
Other than my jeep of course... :)
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26" inch mid arms all the way around and Johnny joints for the win.
Blaine is setting up another unlimited now that will not be pro stock spec, but will be similar to the Savvy rig. Basically it will match the one above but be on 37's and have all the work done that you arent allowed in the pro stock class. Frame mods, highline, 609's, stuffed feul tank, etc etc.
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This made me chuckle. I do enjoy your posts Bill.
Skippy, I don't know bnine, not sure I have met him in person, but I do know from reading his posts and the number of people on here that's ask for his advice that he knows a thing or two about Jeeps. I would seriously consider what advice he has to give. On another note I would be seriously concerned about taking my Jeep to a place that is willing to take $10k for a suspension setup...sound like crooks that take advantage of people that like to flail their money around.
For me, I haven't decided on 37's or 35's yet, but I don't plan on spending more than a couple thousand to accomplish a setup that will work well.
The 10 grand isn't just for the lift it's to build everything under the jeep to be as strong as possible. I want to get tomwoods driveshafts, hd ball joints, new transfercase, the lift itself, axles sleeves, trussed, etc. I don't believe in just slapping on a lift kit and throwing 37's on. I want to be able have my wife use this as her dd and then I can take it on destination or weekend wheeling trips.
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umm, does your wife know about your plan to take her daily driver, lift it huge and then you are gonna beat on it on the weekends? so then she gets to daily drive the vehicle after you beat on it? man lucky you.
this may be a stupid question;
why not leave it stock for her, and build a TJ or something as a trail toy? you have a dually to haul it with, and i'd assume money for a trailer; why not build a TJ for 10Gs and not thrash your wifes daily?
as soon as you have that rig built up you will more than likely beat on it...... and will wifey like you beating on her only means of transportation?
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26" inch mid arms all the way around and Johnny joints for the win.
Blaine is setting up another unlimited now that will not be pro stock spec, but will be similar to the Savvy rig. Basically it will match the one above but be on 37's and have all the work done that you arent allowed in the pro stock class. Frame mods, highline, 609's, stuffed feul tank, etc etc.
Loooove their black JK as well.
Looks insane with the MTR/Ks and beadlocks :o
Here you go OP, if you want a useful rig, build this.
2012 JK Unlimited
Savvy JK Under Armor
Savvy JK Bumpers
Savvy JK Tail Lights
Savvy/Currie 4" Suspension Front and Rear Antirocks
Currie F9 front axle with HP9 4.88 gears
Currie RockJock 60 Rear Axle 4.88 gears
Fox Racing 12" Reservoir Shocks
PSC hydro assist steering
Warn Winch
Viking Off Road Synthetic rope
Raceline RT233 Monster Bead locks
37" MTR/K Tires
Dynomax exhaust and 2012 cross over pipe
Tom Wood drives shafts
AFE Air Intake Kit
Powertank 10lbs CO2 Bottle
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umm, does your wife know about your plan to take her daily driver, lift it huge and then you are gonna beat on it on the weekends? so then she gets to daily drive the vehicle after you beat on it? man lucky you.
this may be a stupid question;
why not leave it stock for her, and build a TJ or something as a trail toy? you have a dually to haul it with, and i'd assume money for a trailer; why not build a TJ for 10Gs and not thrash your wifes daily?
as soon as you have that rig built up you will more than likely beat on it...... and will wifey like you beating on her only means of transportation?
^^^^^this exactly^^^^^
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yea, i ask, just because if i did that to wifeys JK (which is for sale, you should buy it and do Whiteouts recommendation. great trail rig ;) ) my wifey would kill me.
literally. and probably with the jeep. i'd be working on it, and she'd fire it up (if it starts) and drive it over me when i'm under it.........
but thats just me.
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^^^^^this exactly^^^^^
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why, what do you guys care what he builds and his wife enjoys? Hell, my wife drove my jeep more than i did on the street, she LOVED it.
Why does he need to do what you would do? Is it your money? Is it your wife? Seriously, the douchery has reached a whole new level.
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yea, i ask, just because if i did that to wifeys JK (which is for sale, you should buy it and do Whiteouts recommendation. great trail rig ;) ) my wifey would kill me.
literally. and probably with the jeep. i'd be working on it, and she'd fire it up (if it starts) and drive it over me when i'm under it.........
but thats just me.
i guess this was posted as i was typing my above reply.
So your wife would kill you...good for you. Its not your wife we are talking about, its not your money and its not your jeep ;)
What it is though is a question about what liftkit would you order for a JK.
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umm, does your wife know about your plan to take her daily driver, lift it huge and then you are gonna beat on it on the weekends? so then she gets to daily drive the vehicle after you beat on it? man lucky you.
this may be a stupid question;
why not leave it stock for her, and build a TJ or something as a trail toy? you have a dually to haul it with, and i'd assume money for a trailer; why not build a TJ for 10Gs and not thrash your wifes daily?
as soon as you have that rig built up you will more than likely beat on it...... and will wifey like you beating on her only means of transportation?
Thought about that, as I had a trailer out chevy for the past 4 years, I just really like the jku and have never been a big fan of the tj's. This rig was bought to be upgraded lol all she wanted was a kingsize bed. And realistically I never keep vehicles more than a year or two so she will have another one in 2014 and this one will turn to the new trailer out rig.
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why, what do you guys care what he builds and his wife enjoys? Hell, my wife drove my jeep more than i did on the street, she LOVED it.
Why does he need to do what you would do? Is it your money? Is it your wife? Seriously, the douchery has reached a whole new level.
Fair enough... my wife just wouldn't like it and I was just thinking if it broke on a trail at least a DD isn't down for the count... ultimately its what makes skippy happy so however he mods it I'm sure he'll like it
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i guess this was posted as i was typing my above reply.
So your wife would kill you...good for you. Its not your wife we are talking about, its not your money and its not your jeep ;)
What it is though is a question about what liftkit would you order for a JK.
well it was nice to change the subject off of bodylifts for a while anyways. :P
Skippy, you better get her that bed too, that way when you <insert damage here> you can sleep on the opposite side of it....... or the couch. lol.
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Blaine is setting up another unlimited now that will not be pro stock spec, but will be similar to the Savvy rig. Basically it will match the one above but be on 37's and have all the work done that you arent allowed in the pro stock class. Frame mods, highline, 609's, stuffed feul tank, etc etc.
I am asuming that this is the jeep guru dude, DR. blaine or Mr blaine from jeep forum?? Does he own black magic brakes?? I soooo want those
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well it was nice to change the subject off of bodylifts for a while anyways. :P
Skippy, you better get her that bed too, that way when you <insert damage here> you can sleep on the opposite side of it....... or the couch. lol.
That's the plan... If she can't reach me it's all good!