Calgary Jeep Association
4x4 Related Groups => General Talk => Topic started by: FeatherFoot on June 12, 2006, 12:12:33 AM
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There are some interesting opinions out there.
We have had some lively debate in the past which some of the newer participants have not had the opportunity to take part in.
What's your opinion.
Do you think the 4X4 community (let's stick to trucks) has a bad image or a good image in the public eye?
What do you think the good images are?
What do you think the bad images are?
Is there peer pressure? Does peer pressure influence behaviour?
What are every day things we can/should do to promote a good public image?
Does it matter?
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From what I personally have seen from my family and people I have run into over the years of not being an off roader there is a bad image towards 4x4's and how the trucks off road damage the environment and the types of ppl who off road. They assume everyone that goes 4x4ing are hicks and don't care about anything and will destroy everything they run into (which in my opinion is not true by the way).
As far as good images I unfortunately havn't realy heard of any unless it comes from someone who is in the 4x4 community and is aware of what it is like to off road.
It is a difficult image to break though. I'm not realy sure myself what can be done to change it. I'll leave it up to the discussion to figure that out as right now I have no ideas.
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My opinion is that no matter what society, group, race, class, religion you look at, you are going to have cool people who play by the rules and your going to have ***holes. I apply this as a general rule in my life. Take for example, there are cool cops and then there are real jerks, there are cool bikers and there are real jerks. Just think of any grouping of people and apply this, its true. Right now there is a classic example in the news. There have been hundreds of thousands of U.S. troops rotated in and out of their conflict in Iraq, but recently some bad ones did some bad things and that is what people remember. In Vietnam there was alot of good things done for the people by soldiers but everyone called them baby killers when they came back. So with off-roaders, people generalize just like everything else, and only remember the bad. All these are helped along by the media. Nobody wants to here about good stuff, just the bad.
The off-road community is 80% cool and there are those 20% who tarnish our image. Most large corporations, unions, religions politicians have whole teams of people who just do damage control. They have the money to cover up, silence, pay-offs, to keep their image clean. If you want to clean up the image you have to use the media to show club clean ups, family events, because all the people who no nothing about us just see the negatives and this is what they beleive we are like. Every year just before the May long there is the same 10yr old picture, of a big mud bog and trucks, used in the paper to show the Waiporous area, with a big write up about police and the craziness out there, after that you don't here anything about it untill next year, I can imagine that people think this is what it is like every weekend. We all know you can go out most times and hardly see anyone. You need the medias help to promote good images, and as far as peer pressure, well we have all fallen to this, but as you get older then you realize what is right and what is wrong. You need some way to keep unresponsible people from gaining access to areas, I would be willing to pay user fees to gain access, but people who don't really care, are just there for a good time, not along time might be turned off by that. I think once the damage is done it will take huge efforts to reverse them, in our case it could be too late.
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This probably isn't the right thead but ...
What bothers me is I always see people drinking and driving on the trails!
Note: I have never seen a Jeeper doing this! Nor a modified truck for that matter. It has always seems to be your everyday 4x4 truck.
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I agree with the drinking and driving. I just started off roading 2 years ago when I bought my jeep and could not believe how most idiots had beers going in their truck. The other thing that that really suprised me was that most quaders don't even wear a helmet. Alberta is the only province I believe that does not have a helmet law off road. Are these quaders completely stupid??? Guess thats why we have a seatbelt law, to save the really stupid from themselves.
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Some obvious bad examples pointed out. I guess those are some "shouldn'ts" we will want to think of as it applies to us however I think we should try to keep the scope of the discussion to the truck/Jeep group or we will end up in a finger pointing expedition without any constructive self self assessment.
Given the trail ratios doled out last month, I know it will be hard to not want to pick up a handful of rocks and start throwing but for the time being, lets leave it at them getting round one.
I don't think the fat lady has sung yet.
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if anything, i would say that it shouldn't be off-roaders (jeeps, trucks) Vs.
Quaders. i heard a comment while wheeling this weekend about how its us Vs. them; when we both should be working together to shed these images of carelessness. right now, there are tons of off-roaders complaining that waiparous is now quad only, therefore, they are the enemy. i think we have to work with the different off-road communities to try and save what little land we have left. June 24th sounds to me like a good idea for a rally against GAMP, but i think we should be inviting quaders, motor bikers, even mountain bikers to this event. how long before the bottomless pockets of the oil industry shuts everything down completely then there will be no land for anyone. in laymans terms, divide and conquer.
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Sorry, by no means was I meaning "us vs them" or bashing quaders. I was merely pointing out what I've seen in my first two years of wheeling, and I must say that from what me and my friends have seen it's no wonder off roaders look bad.
People cutting down live trees or running over them
Driving off the trail
DUI
Driving up and down creeks to "wash" the truck
No tree strap when using winch
Reckless driving
And a bunch of other things
I think the yahoos out there need to be hit in the wallet with BIG fines and vehical seizures, just like poaching.
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Do the 4 wheelers have an image problem? Yes
Can we change it? I doubt it.
The public image of bikers will always be that of the way bikers are portrayed in the media. The same with 4x4er's they are portrayed as being beer guzzling rednecks running around in there huge mud trucks ripping up the enviroment. If the media showed the vast majority of us who just wandered down the trails without any fuss, driving over small obstacles there would be no interest from the public at all.
As for us against them. Could somebody explain to me what is the benefit for the quadders and bikers joining the 4x4'ers side. We all know there is going to be no enforcement except on the long weekends. The bikers will still ride their single track because no one will be able to stop them and the quadders will still go were ever they want to because......... well I'd better shut up now!
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The public image of bikers will always be that of the way bikers are portrayed in the media.
Interesting point.
But has the motorcycle not become a badge proclaiming defiance of the norm? To me the most relevant aspect of the motorcycle image is the Harley with the straight pipes. The machine does not require open pipes to perform at a level that exceeds most autos by a wide margin, yet the "in your face" noise is as necessary as the dress code. So in the case of the motorcycle, I suspect that a high percentage of the riders like that image just fine.
That being said, could it be that a good percentage of 4X4 owners like the "image of freedom" in much the same way? If that is the case, then the "go wherever I want" image is as important as the actual off road experience. If you follow that notion to the next level, then you could say that a percentage of the 4X4 drivers like that image just fine.
From that perspective you can't just blaim the media.
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I defentitley think there is a freedom image with 4x4's, we can go where most people can't. I myself used to look at a off-road truck with envy, before my 1st, thinking that person must have alot of fun and go places and get away from it all where I can't. That is one thing I don't understand about Waiporous area, when I go camping I like to get far in and back as I can, but the sites just off Forst.Trk. Road by the river and gravel pit are usually such a mess. Why go out there to camp by the side of the road? I imagine these people just like the party and these are the ones ruining it. I personally have no problem with quads, bikes, I figure were all the same, what is the difference between 1 truck on a trail or 4 quads, as far as damage done, or garbage left? I've never conversed or heard if quad'ers talk negative about 4x4's, if I did I would probably loose it. Although I have had lots of quads and bikes roar into my campsite, which drives me nuts, but 4x4's have always been respectfull and kept there distance, maybe because we have been doing it longer and know the rules. Its all the responsibility of the individual. And as we all know there are alot of selfish people around, our Society is based on selfishness and ego's.
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But has the motorcycle not become a badge proclaiming defiance of the norm? To me the most relevant aspect of the motorcycle image is the Harley with the straight pipes. The machine does not require open pipes to perform at a level that exceeds most autos by a wide margin, yet the "in your face" noise is as necessary as the dress code. So in the case of the motorcycle, I suspect that a high percentage of the riders like that image just fine.
No, the high percentage of motorbike riders do not like that image at all. I have ridden bikes for most of my life,
The motorcyle is not defiance of the norm in anyway except for a small percentage. If you go to most motorcyclng events you will notice the average rider looks like the average 4x4'er, just the guy next door.
And you have hit the nail right on the head here, and proved my point entirely. You have taken a small percentage of the people who ride motorbikes and applied it to all bikers. Like myself riding on my Honda Shadow (which I had to sell last year :cry: ), Spinalguy on his dirt bike in authorized off road areas and all those old farts on their Gold Wings.
And that is exactly what has happened to the four wheel drive community.
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The louder the pipe the greater your chance of being heard on the road. Loud pipes save lives. So the pipe is not all about image.
Do we as 4x4's have an image problem? Yes
if we could just stop and wash our vehicles on the way home so we at least have clean looking rigs would greatly help our public image.
There is always going to be the 80/20 rule although i see it more as the 90/10 rule nowadays.
But if any of the 90% drives around with dirty vehicles in the city than you all become the 10% that is killing us!!!!
Think about this?
Let us take the worst case scenario with yahoos driving any OHV with beers in hand, mud flinging, skeg looking, off trail, etc.....What public person even sees this? No one but ourselves that are OHVing and see these 10%er's being idiots so how can this be a public image problem? The public doesn't see it only we do that are out there.
Bill Kaufmann of the Sun wrote a brutal article about the Ghost closures.(An absolutely IGNORANT journalistic rant) In the article he adressed the wanton destruction of this wonderful area. Do you know how he defined it or summed it up?
By stating we come back to the city with mud all over us as a badge of honor!!!! bullcrap.....i can drive the 940 in rain and be covered in mud and yet i never went offroad but as i return to the city, every car i pass thinks of where i may have been and what have i done to the preciuos land.
Cleaning your rig IMMEDIATELY is one way and perhaps the best way to lighten the impact of public perception.
LOUD pipes SAVE lives! :lol:
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and we in canada don't really even get a chance to make an image for ourselves. this beer guzzling fat-redneck image came from the southern US. Not that I'm blaming them for our problems. just that we should get a chance to show people the "softer" side of 4x4ing. the side of us that respect the trails and land we tread on. i've noticed that like 75 % of the people on this site have "tread lightly" in their signitures. and everyone seems like real, down to earth people that practice what they preech.
just my 2 cents
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Cleaning your rig IMMEDIATELY is one way and perhaps the best way to lighten the impact of public perception.
This is the kind of reasponsible input I'm looking for. It recognizes a problem and has a solution we as individuals can easily be a part of.
and we in canada don't really even get a chance to make an image for ourselves. this beer guzzling fat-redneck image came from the southern US. Not that I'm blaming them for our problems. just that we should get a chance to show people the "softer" side of 4x4ing. the side of us that respect the trails and land we tread on. i've noticed that like 75 % of the people on this site have "tread lightly" in their signitures. and everyone seems like real, down to earth people that practice what they preech.
The images exist. Since I live near Bragg Creek I see the large numbers of great looking bikes that roll in there on the summer week-ends. Many are ageing easy going guys who love to go out for a ride. I see both sides there. When I hear the muffled rumble of a Gold Wing, I get one image, when I'm wakend at 2:00 AM by either the thunder of a HD or the scream of a rice rocket, I get an entirerly different image.
It's another area where we have an image choice.
LOUD pipes SAVE lives!
Thats good Tom. Warped but good! :)
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Maybe we just need more 4x4 only trails and some media coverage of people using it responsibly. Or like The Nova Scotia Jeep club, they have the S.W.A.T
"The Severe Weather Assistance Team (SWAT) of the Nova Scotia Jeep Club will assist local, municipal or provincial agencies or groups in need of transportation assistance for their essential personnel or supplies during times of inclement weather, during states of emergency or in remote locations where our equipment is built to be. Such support is undertaken on a purely voluntary basis with the intent of the NSJC and it’s membership to be active supporters within our various communities."
A few years back when Haifax was shut down due to a huge snow storm, the media showed them driving docters and nurses to the hospitals. Thats some good publicity!!!
Here's a link to the site: http://www.novascotiajeepclub.ca/contents/swat/swat_main.html
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Just a thought I figured I'd through out there. Is there any way of getting someone from the media or a group of ppl that have some kind of influence toghether and taking them on a trail ride with an experienced group and show them what most of us actualy do out there. Maybe this would give a better understanding of what we do and maybe they can pass that information on to the general public with pictures of a good trail ride and some personal experience.
How else would people be able to see what we do if they don't go out there?
Just a thought.
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Some random thoughts:
Our trails are dirt, add snow, rain and runoff and you have muddy trials and mud holes. Our 4x4s are built to traverse this difficult terrain and get muddy in the process. I'm OK with mud on my Jeep and I wash it when I can but not usually right away, too many other tasks need tending. The public knows our trails are muddy and that our 4x4s are used for that purpose, just like you know that sports cars and bikes are going to spend a fair amount of time going fast. A spade is a spade even if its clean.
Do we have an image problem? Sure, we have some bad apples, every group does, but I don't think its any worse than other identifiable groups. I think it would be boring to be all the same, variety and character are the spice of life.
Motorcycles; I rode them for years, all sport bikes from Japan. Couldn't afford that Ducati. I rode them for their amazing performance, the speed of a Ferrari for half the cost of a really cheap car. The sheer thrill of leaning a bike down in a corner at 160+ kph then accelerating to 225+ kph on the exit. Even spent some time roadracing where those skills were honed. Bloody dangerous - yes. The high flow exhausts (loud pipes) are to enhance the motor's performance - not warn motorists. I used ear plugs to cut the noise, I want to have good hearing. I rode like I was invisible, I didn't count on cars to see or hear me. I rode defensively and only sped where it was safe/safer and appropriate - I became better at this with age :lol: .
I take exception to the term "rice rocket", its somewhat racist, we could work on our image by avoiding such terms. Try "Japanese sport bike". :wink:
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I saw a feature on Daily Planet and it was all about off-road rigs, anyone chance seeing it? It was a real positive story of the off-road community, explaining the engineering and technical aspects of off-roading, they made a point of explaining that most driving was slow and technical, not pinning it and destruction. This is the positive image needed, and by a enviromentally concious show. Kind of off topic but as an example, Mixed Martial Arts was 1st perceived as a brutal dangerous sport, and banned in most places, because of their work explaining it is more technical than brutal we can see on a regular basis on T.V. and their whole image was changed and respected.
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YES.
Doesn't everyone?
Tuners have a bad name, sport bike riders have a bad name, women drivers have a bad name, ethnic drivers have a bad name, young white male drivers have a bad name, minivan soccer moms have a bad name, suv busniess men have a bad name, etc...
Not quite the answer you're looking for but something to think about.
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Tuners have a bad name, sport bike riders have a bad name, women drivers have a bad name, ethnic drivers have a bad name, young white male drivers have a bad name, minivan soccer moms have a bad name, suv busniess men have a bad name, etc...
Not quite the answer you're looking for but something to think about.
Well I'm thinking they may have raised the insurance rates for some of them but I'm not aware of the streets being closed to them unless posted open with a graphic picture. :wink:
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Tom... I thought you were Inuit? *nudge nudge*
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Yeah Greg, I'm Inuit but I get mistaken for Native North American all the time :roll: . Must be something to do with Asians crossing the Bering Sea into N. America many millenia ago. Just another example of "you can't judge a book by its cover" just like you can't judge a person by how they look or what they drive. Opinions should be based on actions and character.
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Some random thoughts:
Our trails are dirt, add snow, rain and runoff and you have muddy trials and mud holes. Our 4x4s are built to traverse this difficult terrain and get muddy in the process. I'm OK with mud on my Jeep and I wash it when I can but not usually right away, too many other tasks need tending. The public knows our trails are muddy and that our 4x4s are used for that purpose, just like you know that sports cars and bikes are going to spend a fair amount of time going fast. A spade is a spade even if its clean.
i completely disagree with you!
The public does NOT know what we do, they think they know and when they see mud, the majority think bad thoughts. They think we have been ripping it up or we have polluted the pristine outdoors with our noise! Yes, some 4x4 types know what we do but the majority of Calgary drivers do not. Furthermore, it sucks to be anywhere near a 4x4 in this city covered in mud because "i know, that the 4x4 is going to dump a load of crap on the road in front of me and i hate that!!!!" That is the attitude you are causing Tom because of your selfish attitude that you have 'too many other tasks to attend to' and therefore wash the 4x4 later. i think your attitude is what we(the 4x4 community) do not need!!!!!
Tom :evil:
And i know you love to stir the pot Tom, but its time to grow up and face reality of the trail systems and perceptions, its not time for you to take the contradictory path and play the devils advocate again. i am fumed that anyone can not be proactive in getting the rig cleaned ASAP. Have you heard about GAMP? :roll:
People respect a lot of your opinions and we need everyone on board or kiss all your wheelin good-bye. If we all just stopped at a do it yourself wash bay on the way home from a day or weekend of wheelin to take an extra 1 hour (tops) to clean the rig before you go home, it would help. Also educating other dirty 4x4's in the city would also help all of us in the future.
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Sometimes we just have to bite our lips and do what is preceived as the right thing, like washing our vehicles
Spinal Tom is totally right, we ALL have to be on the same page
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I'm often late arriving back from a run, should have been home an hour ago to help with getting dinner ready for the kids and spending some time with Lorraine and the kids because I've been gone all day. Then I have to get ready for work and go to work the next day - 12 hr shifts. So... no I don't have time to wash my Jeep on the way home, those other priorities are more important. My muddy Jeep is parked at home, I don't go to work with it. I also wash it at home with my pressure washer, but it might sit there muddy for several days before I wash it :twisted: . And if I needed to drive it muddy, I would :twisted: .
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i realize this is a little late to be posting in this discussion as i kinda wanted to address the drinking on the trail aspect.
i remember two may longs ago me and my wheelin buddies got pulled over on valley trail in mclean by the conservation officers on their quads. they asked us if we had any been drinking at all or if we had any booze in the cabs or boxes of our trucks. naturally we didn't; we explained how we don't drink on the trail cause its dangerous and generally irresponsible, and that beer was for later at camp and they looked surprised. they said we were the first ones they had pulled over all weekend without any alcohol of anysort with us. i found this quite surprising. this being said, i do think we have an image problem. constantly when i explain to people (specially in university, stupid commies) about what we do, it doesn't really matter; the idea is etched in their heads already; we destroy the environment and we are irresponsible. my counter arguments are rarely swaying. the idea is sketched in their head that we are detrimental; people are able to manifest their own ideas as to what we do, based on little factual evidence except what they see/told in media etc etc. personally, if drinking was banned in our offroad areas i don't think i'd object; if that was the way to clear the 4wheelers image i'd abide by it. seems stupid to put $$$ into a vehicle and not be able to wheel. and if the ban worked, i'm for it......
my .02
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Went to Waiporous yestrdy. aftnoon. to show a coworker where to take his jeep (Lost knife & Meadow Crk, trails were great, river very high) hes in Banff so its only 1hr drive, was my 1st trek there since closures, I educated him on the do`s and don`ts and to the history of area, what we used to have and what we have now. It was easy to explain because along the way I picked up 50lbs of trash, I would have taken the sofa, BBQ, and road sign (post attached) if I could have fit them in the jeep. I assume this is from lg. wknd. because I was in same area wk. previous to closures and they weren`t there. Only trucks could bring this stuff to where it was, how do these people get in there. If you see a guy with a BBQ, or a sofa in his truck driving on the trail, what would you do? Talked to ranger, very cool and friendly and appreciative of sofa BBQ info and for efforts of carrying out garbage and finally got some 1st hand info. My biggest concern was the random camping, but if there is a existing fire pit accessable by new trail laws, its okay. He said we are just trying to stop new spots developing. How do these people with sofas and obviously up to no good get away with it. Maybe its time we have a Waiporous minute-man patrol as on the Mexicn border? Extreme yes, but maybe we should start policing ourselves, and after seeing the evidence that is how I feel. Then again I guy was murdered out there last year, and I could just imagine the rsponse if you tried to educate a drunk idiot about this, I think they need to add one more description for use on a can of bear spray.
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why don't we fire off copies of the 4wheel and off-road ultimate adventure to the people who matter. Thad vid shows professionals wheeling professionally. oh, and about cleaning your jeep...i'm often in construction sites which are very muddy, and i don't bother to clean it because i don't have time to. when i get home, it's off to my night job, when i get off from that, it's too late to whip by a self-wash.
use a lawn sprinkler to clean the underside, park it on the grass for a while at night, that way, you are watering your grass too.
but i think sending a copy of the ultimate adventure to the GAMP perpitratiors would be beneficial.
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Here is a perfect example of why the 4 wheel community has a bad image. Yesterday just after 1pm I was driving towards waiperous area in my car and this jacked up ford full size truck towing an empty flatbed trailer comes up my a$$ and follows 2-3 feet behind me and I'm driving around 110 and when I get behind someone driving slower he just keeps trying to get closser and I even tapped my brake lights and he just kept right up my A$$. Then when I finaly passed the slow vehicle in front of me charges at me once I'm by and stays behind me. I had to pull over realy fast putting my PREGNANT WIFE and SOON TO BE BORN CHILD in danger.
It is a$$hles like this that make the 4wheel comunity look bad as he was drinving a jacked up truck. If I ever see this A$$HLE AGAIN HE BETTER RUN for putting my family in danger!!!!
but thats besides the point. This is one of the reasons we have a bad name and if it doesn't stop it will never change. Its idiots like that that make me want to just not bother fighting for trails and I may even just not bother wheeling if thats what I'm going to run into every time I go out there.
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I sort of see why trails have been shut down the way they have. I agree that there are a few people that are ruining it for everyone. To help divide those users that should be there and those that shouldn't why not have a pass for these areas. The money collected from this pass could be used for increased inforcement. I spent over $100 on my parks pass and yet I go to the Ghost way more often. I'd rather spend money on the Ghost (and area) and see some of these issues taken care of.
I am one of those random camping campers. I totally agree with what's been done so far. It can only get worse before it gets better. I've seen live trees cut down for fire wood. If someone has that little knowledge of what to burn and what not to than they shouldn't be out there. I went camping this last weekend (nice break from the rain) and found a beer can on the bank of a river crossing that I didn't see on the way in. It's some of these things that have caused things to go the way they have. Have someone check passes on the drive in and enforce rules on the trail. That will allow those of us that are responsible to keep on enjoying things.
About the mud issue. I think there is a difference between mud chunks falling off and just a bit of dust and grit from the gravel road. Yes image is important but please my work van has as much dust and grit on it as my Jeep and I'm not going to wash either every time I drive it. Everything comes down to COMMON SENSE and courtesy to others and the environment.
Tread Lightly
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I don't think there is any doubt we are an identifiable group.
Justified or not, it appears most recognize we have an image problem.
If we are an identifiable group with a negative image, then anything that any one of us does individually that offends or annoys someone, is another negative against the group. You may be an annonomus individual doing something annoying while driving the family sedan, but while in your rig anything that is annoying or offensive is interpreted as part of the off-road group. One of "those" guys.
This week-end I just identified a perfectly innocent activity that will not contribute to anything as dramatic as trail closures but must be annoying as hell to an individual service station owner. I identified it in part because I did it myself.
How many times have you gone through Bragg Creek in the morning and gassed up at the Shell, then returned in the evenining to air up at the Huskey. I'll bet that compressor runs steady for a couple of hours every Saturday and Sunday with minimal compensation from "us".
I feel we need to be more cogniscent of any activity we take part in while driving our trucks because anything and everything we do stands a higher probability of being interpreted in a negative context first.
We can soap box all we want about freedoms and fairness, but it is human nature, not technical issues that we are up against on a daily basis. Some of the shortsightedness is "them", and some of it is "us". Lets do the best we can to minimize "us" from that scenario.
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I beleive the key to changing the image is education, education, education. Alot of people, including myself, have stated on this topic we need to educate and show regular folk what the majority of us are all about. Now after reading the last post, I beleive maybe we should always be educating our own. Some of us may be doing things to hurt our image and not even realize it or think about until pointed out. The best way is to point out what the infraction or no-no is and how that hurts us and how a regular person might perceive it. The more light bulbs going on in our heads the better. As in the "Goofy Hat Run" on Sunday, at drivers meeting you mentioned "Tread Lightly" and have practiced for years, which is totally respectable and A-1 for being innovating in that practice, I'm sure way before any of us thought we would be where we are today, this club was using this as a standard policy. Might a few more minutes be spent on other aspects of images? Especially when there is new off-roaders and open run participants who do not belong to and attend your meetings and practice your Club policies. As in, right away for other trail users(atv,bikes), when driving in on gravel slowing right down and pull over far right so not to throw a shower of rocks and dust into a family outing, or picking up trash left by others, I do this no matter where I am. Some considerate things that sometimes don't seem so obvious.
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That's a good point Featherfoot, I never even thought about that, about airing up. First off why not fill up at the Husky where you come back to air up? Also if you have to air up how about a 5 or 10 buck tip or donation to the owner. I have my own OBA but thats a good point about the compressor running. I know my power meter starts going pretty good when my home compressor is running at 220 volts. If enough people donate then they could get a real good compressor with high CFM so it doesn't run so much.
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I for one usually air up at the local service stations but I always gas up there, either on the way out or/and the the way back from the run. When I air up on the way out, I ask if there is an air compressor I could use after te run. I know the local businesses appreciate that.