Calgary Jeep Association
Off Highway Staging Area => Open Trail Rides => Topic started by: ya-wanna on June 27, 2005, 12:31:03 PM
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Anything happening on Sat. July 2nd,I want to get muddy!
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Hey Rick... I'd be up for a run on Saturday. I'd like to see how your lift turned out... I just finished one myself. Had it out on Sunday at it did pretty well all things considered.
I don't think I'd be much use leading anywhere but I'm willing to tag along with someone who know's the trails
BTW I do have that video clip I promised of your stuck from the run on the 5th... just haven't figured out how to get it down to a reasonable size.
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Right on, it would be nice to get a few trucks out after seeing the PICs from sunday, looks like a lot of water and mud!! I won't have my new tires for this one but I'm hopfully going to mount my winch. Let me know what time
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Where are you planning on going out to?
I would be interested in a run this weekend, would give me a chance to test out the new lift and tires. But I dont have a winch yet.
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I guess that will depend on weather as to where we can go. but I'm open to anything.
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The Waiparous area and McLean area are still under a ton of water. SRD had sent out that release a week or so ago asking people to avoid the OHV areas until further notice.
Now, given the GAMP situation and what's happening there, don't you all think it would be a good idea to steer clear of those areas for a while longer to let them dry out a bit more so the footprint from the atv's, motorcycles and trucks is not so apparent?
We are all trying to promote responsible OHV use on our public lands....and right now the only responsible use is to avoid the areas alltogether for a little while longer.
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With today's rain it is probably best to stay off the trails awhile longer. This weather can't keep up much longer. It's just crappy it has to come for the long weekend. There will only be 4 days to dry up and as they found out last weekend 6 days weren't enough.
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Ya it looks like it might rain FRI. & SAT. oh well never hurts to dream.
Maybe I will have to head to B.C. and do some rock climbing, With the Jeep of course!
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I live close to McLean, and over the last number of years a one or two day rain hardly shows in the ditches. I just came back from the city and ditches are filling fast and backing up at culverts. The ground is really saturated. There are three crossings that over the last 16 years I've hardly noticed, yet today one is overflowing the approach road, and the two others are backing up significantly.
This is not a good year for the offroad community. Lets hope we have the self constraint to not jepordize all the clean up activities, letter writing and negotiating that has been going on to retain our trails. I know most everyone knows, but in case someone isn't aware, the SRD is threatning to close down about 90% of the Waiparous trail system and we are fighting to hang on to it.
Under these circumstances it is our discretion that determines what message we send to the SRD and to the groups who are against off road vehicles.
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Its the Long Weekend and wheelin is going to happen. Go enjoy yourselves and do mainly hardpacked higher elevation trails. Its always the irresponsible few that "kill" us and i am sure they will be out in full force.
i was at Maclean on Sat and Sun last week. The area was as dry as it normally was last year after storms. i was riding low valley areas and it is dry! Sure, this rain will wetten things but by the weekend, things will be fine.
Go out and have fun, be safe and tread lightly. Again, i have seen this area wetter than it is now.
i will be camping Thurs, Fri and Sat nite at Maclean but i will be 2 wheelin it.
Tom :)
By the way, the alert sent out by SRD that TJD60 refers to was dated JUNE 8th.
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Hey that sounds good i've never been to Maclean, but would like to.
I have a map of the area but could you give me some suggestions on the higer elevations in the area, I don't want to be messing up the area or getting people mad
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Its always the irresponsible few that "kill" us and i am sure they will be out in full force.
i will be camping Thurs, Fri and Sat nite at Maclean but i will be 2 wheelin it.
Tom
:shock: Well, that's one that we know of.
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are u calling Tom an irresponsible user?
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Its always the irresponsible few that "kill" us and i am sure they will be out in full force.
i will be camping Thurs, Fri and Sat nite at Maclean but i will be 2 wheelin it.
Tom
:shock: Well, that's one that we know of.
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Bob aka Featherfoot,
How dare you. i see a post by your members going on a run last Sunday with 17 jeeps. i looked at the pics. Where is your long winded post for that run? and i think it is GREAT that they went on a run! It looked like a lot of fun.
Were you at Volunteer Days? SRD worked with us to ensure we made minimal impact and yet we did lots of productive work.
Its tiring to see you attempting to stop all enjoyment of the areas we love. No pics (even though it was an AURS related GPS project), No wheelin if it rains, etc.
i said i have been on the trail systems, have you? i saw first hand what shape they are in, have you?
The WATER erosion that has taken place has made EASY trails now moderate. 100 years of treading lightly on the trails we are suppossed to be using could never amount to the erosion and run-off caused by Mother Nature.
Its the long weekend. People will be out rain or shine.
Have you NEVER done a trail when it is raining?
Have you never done a trail when it snows on May Long?
Have you ever done any wheelin on May Long when it is at its wettest?
Well, this weekend is no different as long as we stay on trails.
IF SRD wants it closed they will CLOSE it as they have done at Indian Graves.
SAME questions for you NILS.
Also, i said that i will be on 2 wheels and i will be on hardpacked trails that may be no wetter than most of my summer rides especially last AUGUST whwn it rained evry day but 2!
Tom :evil:
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Have you NEVER done a trail when it is raining?
Have you never done a trail when it snows?
he cant realy criticize you tom cause both of those happened on the thanksgiving run and bob was there :twisted:
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If you are planning on going to Waiparous, the trails are in better shape than I was expecting (I went out on Sunday). Yes there is mud and the pics prove it, but the pics don't show the many km of dry, hard packed trail that we traversed in order to reach these mud holes. Where there was mud...there was lots of mud. Where there was no mud...there was NO MUD!!!
If I wasn't going up north this weekend I'd be out at Waiparous again. I may make it there on Sunday.
Waiparous is open...go out, tread lightly, and have fun.
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Well, the trails will be pretty cozy next year after SRD religates us to a gravelled road. I'm sure we will find time in the queue to reminisce on this discussion then.
Have fun.
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You are completely out of the loop if you think that Waiporous possible closures has anything to do with us wheelin on July Long Weekend.
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i'm done :)
Over and Out
Tom
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I'm going to get me some popcorn, this could be good 8)
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What the heck! my 2 cents. even though people will disagree
The trails are there for us to use, SRD has allowed us to. During the heavy rains they asked us to stay off the trails, I did stay home. On the night before the run I checked SRD's site, I could not find anything asking to restrict use, If there was I would have stayed home.
How many people went to Maclean V-days, and went on the trails on the wettest day in 200 years :?:
I didn't :!:
Wasn't maclean trail closed by the goverment that day?
People need to practice what they preach, if they want us to listen to them.
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What the hell, I'm already in some people's bad books...
I laughed heartily upon reading some of the preceding posts :lol:
I was @ the McLean V-days, I worked right beside the conservation officer, spoke with him and he was glad that many of us showed up despite the heavy rains. Some good work was completed. Some of us went on a night run, all work and no play makes for an unbalanced event. We stuck to the hard packed trails and when we ran into deep mud and blocked trails we turned back. AURS wanted us @ the V-day, and I was alittle surprised @ the poor turnout by the CJA.
Ian, I'm glad you organized this past run, alot of people had fun including myself despite my "hating mud". Mother Nature had WAY more impact on the trails than we did. If SRD posts a restriction on trail access they should keep us updated weekly @ the minimum to keep the OHV community informed. Were they planning on posting up when the restriction was lifted?
I'll probably get some grief over my comments, but what the hell.
Tom
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By the way, the alert sent out by SRD that TJD60 refers to was dated JUNE 8th.
Actually, I got it form your post on last weekends run "food for thought"
That post was made on June 21st.
Here is the SRD post:
June 21, 2005
Southern/Central Region
The following highways are closed:
SOUTHERN REGION
Highway 68 - Highway 40 to Highway 1 (around Kananaskis).
Highway 532 - west of Highway 22.
Highway 540 - Highwood River to Highway 22.
Highway 579 - west of Water Valley.
Highway 584 - west of Sundre from James River to junction Highway 734 - bridge damage.
Powderface Trail, Homestead Road and MacLean Creek Trail in Kananaskis Country.
Highway 1A between Calgary and Canmore - expect delays and detours.
CENTRAL REGION
Highway 591 - boundary service to Highway 734
Highway 734 (Forestry Trunk Road) closed - Ram River Falls to Highway 579, north of Ram River Falls the highway is open but travel is not recommended; expect unmarked local washouts, soft spots and very rough conditions.
Highway 752 - 35 km west of Rocky Mountain House to Highway 734 (major damage to both large bridges).
Highway 766 closed - north of Highway 27
Hwy 837 - road damage, closed until further notice
The Bleriot Ferry on Highway 838 near Drumheller, Crowfoot Ferry south of Highway 56 near Gleichen, and Finnegan Ferry on Highway 862 are all out of service.
Highway 27 north of Drumheller is closed. Traffic is being rerouted to Highway 21 on the west and Highway 56 on the east. There is bridge damage and will be out of operation for at least two weeks.
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You are completely out of the loop if you think that Waiporous possible closures has anything to do with us wheelin on July Long Weekend.
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i'm done :)
Over and Out
Tom
I don't think that they will close Waiporous because we went wheeling on July long weekend. But the message is, that we should change our ways. We can not stop anybody from wheeling, but I can share my point of view. The type of wheeling that we all have done in the past, has to stop and we should be more selective in the type of trails during these very wet seasons. Going out during and after rain is not a good idea.
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I'm going to get me some popcorn, this could be good 8)
Hey, pass the popcorn. :D
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By the way, the alert sent out by SRD that TJD60 refers to was dated JUNE 8th.
Actually, I got it form your post on last weekends run "food for thought"
That post was made on June 21st.
Here is the SRD post:
June 21, 2005
Southern/Central Region
The following highways are closed:
SOUTHERN REGION
Highway 68 - Highway 40 to Highway 1 (around Kananaskis).
Highway 532 - west of Highway 22.
Highway 540 - Highwood River to Highway 22.
Highway 579 - west of Water Valley.
Highway 584 - west of Sundre from James River to junction Highway 734 - bridge damage.
Powderface Trail, Homestead Road and MacLean Creek Trail in Kananaskis Country.
Highway 1A between Calgary and Canmore - expect delays and detours.
CENTRAL REGION
Highway 591 - boundary service to Highway 734
Highway 734 (Forestry Trunk Road) closed - Ram River Falls to Highway 579, north of Ram River Falls the highway is open but travel is not recommended; expect unmarked local washouts, soft spots and very rough conditions.
Highway 752 - 35 km west of Rocky Mountain House to Highway 734 (major damage to both large bridges).
Highway 766 closed - north of Highway 27
Hwy 837 - road damage, closed until further notice
The Bleriot Ferry on Highway 838 near Drumheller, Crowfoot Ferry south of Highway 56 near Gleichen, and Finnegan Ferry on Highway 862 are all out of service.
Highway 27 north of Drumheller is closed. Traffic is being rerouted to Highway 21 on the west and Highway 56 on the east. There is bridge damage and will be out of operation for at least two weeks.
And where does it say that we should not wheel?
The June 8th SRD VOLUNTARY restrictions (which the overwhelming majority of OHV communities recognized) has never been updated. i agree with you Tom that they need to update us.
As for rain runs? i agree if the run you choose will have impact negatively on watersheds. There is lots of wheelin responsibly during rain that has no impact. As a fact, we are proposing to SRD that we will voluntarily not wheel on SENSITIVE trails during rainy periods exceeding x number of mm's.
Tom
i too wondered why the CJA had only a few folks out at the V-days. But i am sure that weather, flooding in our own homes, closedhighways(temporary),work, etc caused over 80% of your membership to not be there.
So, have an awesome long weekend everyone. Its going to be DRY starting today! :)
Tom
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I never said that it did. I believe that I quoted your post, that people should reconsider........before heading out.
Since the rain has not let up for over 4 weeks now. Why should the conditions have changed? They are predicting flooding in Highriver and Okotoks again. Same as two weeks ago.
You said ealier that you have seen it wetter then this. :?: I heared them saying that we had the wettest June in history.
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As a fact, we are proposing to SRD that we will voluntarily not wheel on SENSITIVE trails during rainy periods exceeding x number of mm's.
We sent this down to the boys in the ruls lab. Looks mighty suspicious.
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please stay home and bitch at each other some more that way you wont be out clogging up the trails for the people that are in this sport for fun and not the politics.
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I think this thread is officially hijacked now :)
I wish I could continue in this discussion, but I am heading out of town for a week in a couple of hours.
But before I go.
The Cynical viewpoint.
Is this watershed/mud/wet trails just a red herring to get off roaders out of waiparous? Are we being distracted from the real reason to keep us out of Waiparous?
Do people really think the government has not done impact assessments of ohv trails in Ghost/Waiparous. Maybe the results have not been made public because they don't confirm what is thought to be obvious, that ohv's are bad for the enviroment.
Do some of the stakeholders against ohv's, own property and business's in the area.
Do some of the stakeholders own property on hwy 40 that will be directly impacted/removed if highway 40 is widened and straightened as has been proposed for several years. If there are less people using the highway maybe they won't need to re-align the highway through the village of waiparous. Saving several house's and properties,
Maybe if there are less 4x4's in ghost/waiparous, then people's ATV tour companies will be more financially rewarding ?
There are so many issues here, don't be distracted by the smoke and mirrors.
Or maybe it really is about the watershed. But I don't really think so!!!!!!!!!!
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I never said that it did. I believe that I quoted your post, that people should reconsider........before heading out.
Since the rain has not let up for over 4 weeks now. Why should the conditions have changed? They are predicting flooding in Highriver and Okotoks again. Same as two weeks ago.
You said ealier that you have seen it wetter then this. :?: I heared them saying that we had the wettest June in history.
You quoted a LINK that i posted as food for thought last week. The link was to the SRD's June 8th bulletin. It was a thread on 4 wheeler started by Scott (Bowzone).
Yes, June is a record year. What i said was that i was out last Sat and Sun at Maclean RIDING and the trail systems were DRYER than last year during August when it rained every day but 2. That is what i said. Thanks for posting what you thought i MEANT :roll: So next time you quote Scott and no source, maybe indicate that. Thanks.
So you and ALL your friends Nils will not be wheelin at all this Fri/Sat or Sun????? Good for you.
jeepsucks, these are real issues but i am with you on this weekend. i will be out ENJOYING the trails.
Tom
Ian, ironically the bike community did a water study at the South end of the Ghost after MayLong weekend this year (record crowds btw) and guess what????
The QUALITY of the water at the South Ghost is MUCH cleaner than The water in Calgary's Bow river. Imagine that. Yeah, we have never seen any assessments from SRD regarding the suppossed watershed problems. Even Johnson Bog has no factual assessment.
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You are correct.....I will not be wheeling this weekend. If I can do nothing els, I can lead by example. :wink:
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i too wondered why the CJA had only a few folks out at the V-days. But i am sure that weather, flooding in our own homes, closedhighways(temporary),work, etc caused over 80% of your membership to not be there.
So, have an awesome long weekend everyone. Its going to be DRY starting today! :)
Tom
Don't even go there because some of us members do have other things in out lives a little more important, sorry for no Living, Breathing, and Dying for Off-roading. If I could have been there I would have. I will be going up the Rocky almost every weekend from now until the Jamboree clean-up and getting trails ready for the Jamboree. By the way how come you were not at teh ECO clean-up last year, or are you just worried about Waiporous and not the other areas.
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Now now, name calling and finger pointing will do nothing to resolve the end goal of keeping Waiparous open.
Besides, like Apex said " 'Mud-slinging' posts are not permitted on the CJA website. Poor for the clubs image and gives the enviromentalists ammunition."
Everyone has their own opinion. (You probably don't want to know mine).
SRD prolly won't put up notices like "Its been raining lots, please stay out of the muddywuddy so it don't hurt the fishywishy."
Other than that; Tread Lightly; and use your brain; since I too am heading out this weekend, I will be staying away from any low lying trails (Lost Knife). Cause I'll bet someone a shiney new nickle, that there will be folks that will not, and likely head into the bog. *shrug*
I do what I can, I cannot change everyones way of thinking, so I start with me, and let it go from there.
Cheers
Chris
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i too wondered why the CJA had only a few folks out at the V-days. But i am sure that weather, flooding in our own homes, closedhighways(temporary),work, etc caused over 80% of your membership to not be there.
So, have an awesome long weekend everyone. Its going to be DRY starting today! :)
Tom
Don't even go there because some of us members do have other things in out lives a little more important, sorry for no Living, Breathing, and Dying for Off-roading. If I could have been there I would have. I will be going up the Rocky almost every weekend from now until the Jamboree clean-up and getting trails ready for the Jamboree. By the way how come you were not at teh ECO clean-up last year, or are you just worried about Waiporous and not the other areas.
You know what read my frickin post. i wrote in the MANY reasons why the turnout may have been low.At no time am i saying anything disrespectful.
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I have been in Vegas for the last week, so I have no idea what the weather has been like here since I left last sunday night (june 26 - present), and I also have no idea what conditions Waiparous or Mclean Creek are in as of right now. It was real wet last time I checked. So I will not participate in the previous threads on this post, or vice versa, posts on this thread or whatever the hell you call them.
I do not want to step on anyones toes, :D however, is anyone interested in a very, very, mild day trip somewhere. SUNDAY only - to explore - stay out of sensitive areas? I want to get out of Calgary for a day, that is all. Something like a quick run to the falls down the Mockingbird Road (not Meadow Creek if that is possible or even advised now?) or something along those lines, nothing hard-core.
If anyone has been out there lately, please feel free to advise where to go, or especially where to stay away from. I will not be offended.
EDIT: MAKE THAT RUN FOR SUNDAY: SATURDAY WON'T WORK FOR ME NOW!!
Darren 8)