Calgary Jeep Association
4x4 Related Groups => General Talk => Topic started by: dhlo on July 23, 2007, 11:58:37 PM
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Does anyone have any advice on purchasing the 4 door Wrangler Rubicon? The good, the bad, needed gear, good dealer, etc. We're looking at a stock Rubicon.
We're expecting a kid in a month and don't want to buy some family vehicle (mini-van my @ss) , so the 4 door should fit the bill. We won't be driving much around town, but will do the occasional road trip.
Thanks!
Dean
'81 CJ-7 - Rust is love! :D
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Only thing I have heard is that the new hardtop is very prone to leaking
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I bought my '06 Rubi at Tower (by Southcentre Mall)... really liked them (as much as you can like a dealer :roll: ). It was a good experience and good after sale service too... call to remind you about your oil changes, ect.
When I was looking I also went to Courtesy (Auto Mall) Both dealers were very informative and friendly (and really wanted my cash :wink: ). Courtesy told me the engine they put in the '07 is the same one they put in one of their vans so it should get better gas mileage but I don't believe it's as powerful as the old ones (some of the other guys on this site would have a better insight to that). Didn't test drive the '07 though so I don't have any thoughts on handling, ect.
Tower provided a Sahara for the Show & Shine - seemed roomy enough for a family vehicle. I also spent a lot of time on Jeep's website - great source of the technicals, ect. but as far as the non-manufacturer sponsored information, I haven't heard anything much. I did hear through hearsay (back in Nov) that some wheelers preferred the '06 to the '07 in terms of off road performance which is why I jumped into my '06 (and when I was buying her, my sales guy told me he'd heard the same thing which is why they had bought all the '06s from the other dealers that they could, but I took that with a grain of salt). But if you won't be wheeling her much, I wouldn't be too concerned about that and opinions might have changed since then anyway...
Good luck with the new purchase and enjoy!! 8)
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Ha Ha, You said "Stock Rubi"!!
You can't put much more into a Wrangler.
You should find some of these sites very helpfull.
http://forum.jkboard.com/
and
http://project-jk.com/
Were just waiting till they get the '08's ordering sorted out then we'll be ordering the Unlimited Rubi in Rescue Green.
I don't really think dual tops are an "option" either. You gotta getem. I'm pretty sure they've worked out the leaks for 08 too.
All the info you need is on those sites.
Cheers.
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By the way, I do not have a JK or a Tj or Cj or other Wrangler and I'm not an expert "offroader", "wheeler" or what ever you wanna call Jeepaholics, but, No One is saying that the JK is beat Stock for Stock by any other Wrangler in history. Yea, they've never made a more capable Stock Wrangler, (Rubicon) ever.
That is according to everything I've read by the Pro's. It's also less expensive and easier to modify. No one driving a TJ YJ or CJ should be offended. They have actally succeded in improving an Icon. And that's not my opinion, it's everybody's.
Except for one thing that bugs me for now. One tiny little thing.
The engine.
The engine has been a point of arguement for a while. everybody scoffed at it untill they wheeled it, then decided that if performs like the I6 except for the peak torque coming in at higher RPM's.
I wish I could hold out for the Diesel's that should be ready by 2010, but I can't. My '99 XJ needs Mods sooner than later and I want a stable daily driver. So she's getting the Rubi and I get to modify my XJ.
Hope that helps. Ask me anything, I've been waiting for an XJ replacement since 2002 and have been researching the JK since it was a spy shot.
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Is it gonna see trail action?
Just off the top of my head I can't see buying a Rubi for a street driven daily driver. Higher price tag, worse gas milage.
Just a thought.
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the 3.8L V6 was offered as an option in the dodge caravan. if you're going to buy a caravan, buy one with this engine. i dont think it was the right choice for the new jeep JK. but it isnt a bad engine. i think they should have reworked the 3.7 from the jeep liberty. or put the 4.7L V8 in the JK. we've done a few lifts at national and they go real smooth. easyto lift. and yes, they can fit some bigger tires then the TJ's. some lifted JK's have had minor issues with the traction control/roll control coming on sooner because it has a higher centre of gravity due to the lift. but since that one issue we havent had a problem. do you research on the kit you want to go with. my opinion is the same for TJ's. do it right, do a long arm kit. yes, it is more expensive. yes, it is more technical to install. but it will out perform any short arm. ride nicer than any short arm. and generally handle safer than any short arm. there are a couple long arm kits for the new JK. i know the rubicon express long arm kit fits 37" tires and makes a joke out of any obstacle. or... buy a YJ and be hardcore with leaf springs;)
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Buy a an XJ... :wink: :D :D :D
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buy a yj with a 350 ci conversion......................like mine :lol:
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Is it gonna see trail action?
Just off the top of my head I can't see buying a Rubi for a street driven daily driver. Higher price tag, worse gas milage.
Just a thought.
i agree, buy a Patriot instead.
Besides those 4 door jeeps are hideous looking :lol:
TK 8)
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i say buy a white Rubi ! 4 removable doors and lockers would be a nice start
....and then if you dont like it, ill buy it off you. :wink:
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Yea, they've never made a more capable Stock Wrangler, (Rubicon) ever.
That is according to everything I've read by the Pro's. It's also less expensive and easier to modify.
The newer wranglers are better for those that actually have no interest in modifying.
By no means is the JK any easier to modify. Their are only 2 aftermarket gear and axle manufacturers, and only 2 ratios available.
The rear suspension bolts off the rear bumper if you are shooting for any kind of travel at all.
The gas tank is in a horrible spot because of forced changes due to crash ratings.
The motor is garbage and way underpowered. The manual transmission is still the weak mecedes unit they swapped to in 05.
The steering box is still the junk mecedes box that is prone to snapping that has been in wranglers since 03.
The electric lockers are unproven.
The automated swaybar misses the mark since it fully disconnects.
The traction control , abs, frilly interior are all attributed to the wranglers new "godlike" capabilities, but those things completely sway from the path of jeep heritage, and definately are not things actual offroaders aspire
Many of us take pride in the simplicity of jeeps, and how they have kept it simple for so many years.
Do you really need power windows and locks in a vehicle an eight year old can reach across?
The new wrangler is designed to cater to a completely different demographic, meaning the yuppies and soccer moms of the world.
For most jeepers, what wranglers do out of the box has never been the primary reason for buying them.
That said, regardless of what they have done to the new wranglers, we can still take a beat up 2000$ YJ, 1 weekend and a couple thousand bucks in parts and wheel circles around JK's a, day long.
Like so. Pink pinstrips an all :D :D
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l262/xbninex/Mikes%20Jeep/DSC02776.jpg)
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Yea, they've never made a more capable Stock Wrangler, (Rubicon) ever.
That is according to everything I've read by the Pro's. It's also less expensive and easier to modify.
The newer wranglers are better for those that actually have no interest in modifying.
By no means is the JK any easier to modify. Their are only 2 aftermarket gear and axle manufacturers, and only 2 ratios available.
The rear suspension bolts off the rear bumper if you are shooting for any kind of travel at all.
The gas tank is in a horrible spot because of forced changes due to crash ratings.
The motor is garbage and way underpowered. The manual transmission is still the weak mecedes unit they swapped to in 05.
The steering box is still the junk mecedes box that is prone to snapping that has been in wranglers since 03.
The electric lockers are unproven.
The automated swaybar misses the mark since it fully disconnects.
The traction control , abs, frilly interior are all attributed to the wranglers new "godlike" capabilities, but those things completely sway from the path of jeep heritage, and definately are not things actual offroaders aspire
Many of us take pride in the simplicity of jeeps, and how they have kept it simple for so many years.
Do you really need power windows and locks in a vehicle an eight year old can reach across?
The new wrangler is designed to cater to a completely different demographic, meaning the yuppies and soccer moms of the world.
For most jeepers, what wranglers do out of the box has never been the primary reason for buying them.
That said, regardless of what they have done to the new wranglers, we can still take a beat up 2000$ YJ, 1 weekend and a couple thousand bucks in parts and wheel circles around JK's a, day long.
Like so. Pink pinstrips an all :D :D
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l262/xbninex/Mikes%20Jeep/DSC02776.jpg)
Sounds like someones jealous.
I think you're wrong on a quite a few of those points. I'm not going to get into it with you 'cause like I said: I'M NOT THE ONE SAYING ITS THE MOST CAPABLE, MODIFIEABLE WRANGLER EVER.... EVERYBODY ELSE IS.
It never ceases to astound me. Everytime a new jeep replaces an old one everybody gets upset like a 2 year old missing his fav toy.
Go fight about it with people who care.
http://forum.jkboard.com/
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:shock: :shock:
hmmmm.... Bnine is considered is kinda the Ghandi of Jeeps in this club.... he has probably forgotten more about jeeps that you will ever know :P . and to set the record straight .... MOST peeple are jealous of the jeeps that HE builds up for himself, his wife and just about anyone else that wants it done right. So Bnine's opinion holds more water around here than someone that knows JACK's about JEEPS 8)
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I think Bnine is just stating the facts.
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Sounds like someones jealous.
Sounds like someone hasnt been here very long and doesnt know me.
Far from jealous Jack.
I think you're wrong on a quite a few of those points.
Thats the difference here Jack. You think where as I know.
You've formed an opinion by reading, I've formed one by custom building and wheeling jeeps for several years.
I'm not going to get into it with you 'cause like I said: I'M NOT THE ONE SAYING ITS THE MOST CAPABLE, MODIFIEABLE WRANGLER EVER.... EVERYBODY ELSE IS.
You invited this discussion when you posted your regurgitated opinions, and again when you replied to me.
All jeeps are modifyable Jack, and depending on the level you go to will dictate on how easy or hard it is. The only reason they are claiming that ease is that the body is higher on a stock JK so it fits larger tires. There is more to jeep building then putting rubber under them :roll:
It never ceases to astound me. Everytime a new jeep replaces an old one everybody gets upset like a 2 year old missing his fav toy.
No one took my tow away Jack, I just dont like the direction they went with the new jeeps. I also dont like the coil suspension they put back under F350's because its complexity and lack of reliability.
These are my opinions based on my priorities when I look at vehicles. To each their own.
The fact that I have an opinion that is not favorible to to the latest changes made, does not make me a spoiled 2 year old :roll: :roll:
Go fight about it with people who care.
http://forum.jkboard.com/
One webwheeler is enough for me in a day. I have no urge to go and argue with an entire community H3 converts :shock: :shock:
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For the record.
I recommend the newer jeeps to people all the time. They are just not my thing because I am more concerned with offraod capabilities and I build better, stronger, balanced rigs for less money.
For Joe blow going camping and the odd light trail run, the new JK is an excellent choice of jeep.
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:shock: :shock:
hmmmm.... Bnine is considered is kinda the Ghandi of Jeeps in this club.... he has probably forgotten more about jeeps that you will ever know :P . and to set the record straight .... MOST peeple are jealous of the jeeps that HE builds up for himself, his wife and just about anyone else that wants it done right. So Bnine's opinion holds more water around here than someone that knows JACK's about JEEPS 8)
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:cry: Aww you're making me cry internet tough guy!! Too bad there are now middle finger emoticons!
Like I said, not my opinion, I have my own but I'm not a mechanic, so go fight with someone who cares.
http://forum.jkboard.com/
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For the record.
I recommend the newer jeeps to people all the time. They are just not my thing because I am more concerned with offraod capabilities and I build better, stronger, balanced rigs for less money.
For Joe blow going camping and the odd light trail run, the new JK is an excellent choice of jeep.
For the Record, the Jk frame is stronger than any other Wrangler frame.
And I didn't question your ability to build, Where'd you get that from anyway?
How many JK's have you modified anyway to form your opinion anyway?
Tell us o Guru of Jeeps, how many JK's have you built or even wheeled?
And why the Freak are you slamming me for! a hole, like I said its not my opinion, its everybody elses!
Keep those blinders on, but it won't make that JK go away.
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:cry: Aww you're making me cry internet tough guy!! Too bad there are now middle finger emoticons!
Like I said, not my opinion, I have my own but I'm not a mechanic, so go fight with someone who cares.
http://forum.jkboard.com/
Why do you keep bringing up and hiding behind the JK board if you don't care. You are the one that started this thread and now when someone else states some very good points you try to hide.
Nice Work :roll: :roll:
For the Record, the Jk frame is stronger than any other Wrangler frame.
And I didn't question your ability to build, Where'd you get that from anyway?
How many JK's have you modified anyway to form your opinion anyway?
Tell us o Guru of Jeeps, how many JK's have you built or even wheeled?
And why the Freak are you slamming me for! a hole, like I said its not my opinion, its everybody elses!
Keep those blinders on, but it won't make that JK go away.
How many JKs have YOU built? Bnine has worked on everything from CJs, YJs, TJs, LJs, XJs, ZJs, WJs, probably MJs, so he knows what works and does not work. The new JKs have used a lot of new parts that are not available in any other vehicle, like 32 spline D44s, and the aftermarket is not quite there yet. Sure the aftermarket has done all the pretty bing accessories, but they have not made it to the true offroad parts yet.
For someone that wants to put on a 2" lift and 35s, yes there is no easier Jeep
I will finish with
(http://media.damnfunnypictures.com/dfp/post-46466-1100844940.jpg)
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hmmmm... he stated his wfe is expecting.... he must have a lot of pent-up emotions and testetorone and he figures the internet is the best place to release it..... i think there are better sites online are more suited to what you need right now :wink: .
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For the Record, the Jk frame is stronger than any other Wrangler frame..
True, but there hasnt been an issue with Jeep frames since the inception of the jeep YJ.
There are thousands of older wrangler frames supporting 1 ton drivetrain with no issues.
And I didn't question your ability to build, Where'd you get that from anyway?
Simply addressing the fact that not every jeep owner is strictly concerned with how a stock jeep performs. Many of us take them and modify them right out of the box, regardless or how many skookem bells and whistles they come with.
And I didnt ask for your opinion, but thats the great thing about a discussion board. The discussion!!! :lol: :lol:
How many JK's have you modified anyway to form your opinion anyway?
I've installed 1 suspension lift in a JK to date. I dont imagine Im finished with them.
Tell us o Guru of Jeeps, how many JK's have you built or even wheeled?
Built 1, wheeled with 2, a SWB, and a LWB, Impressive in stock form, not overly impressive beyond that. I would not take a stocker an advanced run.
And why the Freak are you slamming me for! a hole, like I said its not my opinion, its everybody elses!
Dont be so defensive, I am not slamming you, I just dont agree with you. If you cant handle someone not agreeing with you, then forum boards are the wrong place to be spending your time.
Keep those blinders on, but it won't make that JK go away.
I think you need to take your own advice :roll: :roll:
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hmmmm... he stated his wfe is expecting.... he must have a lot of pent-up emotions and testetorone and he figures the internet is the best place to release it..... i think there are better sites online are more suited to what you need right now :wink: .
I'm not even married, where did you get that my Wfe is expecting? Same place your arguement is coming from I guess. Get some more lube buddy.
And I'm sorry if having an arguement is making you feel upset I know I'm not.
And yea, I still don't care. I'm never going to know as much to not hide behind other opinions, like everybody elses.
By the way, thanks for the warm welcome to Calgary.
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Not offended at all Bnine. Hope you're not either.
Good luck with the old school! :P
Kidding!
By the way have you seen the crash test of the tj vs the JK? :wink:
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:cry: Aww you're making me cry internet tough guy!! Too bad there are now middle finger emoticons!
Like I said, not my opinion, I have my own but I'm not a mechanic, so go fight with someone who cares.
http://forum.jkboard.com/
Why do you keep bringing up and hiding behind the JK board if you don't care. You are the one that started this thread and now when someone else states some very good points you try to hide.
Nice Work :roll: :roll:
For the Record, the Jk frame is stronger than any other Wrangler frame.
And I didn't question your ability to build, Where'd you get that from anyway?
How many JK's have you modified anyway to form your opinion anyway?
Tell us o Guru of Jeeps, how many JK's have you built or even wheeled?
And why the Freak are you slamming me for! a hole, like I said its not my opinion, its everybody elses!
Keep those blinders on, but it won't make that JK go away.
How many JKs have YOU built? Bnine has worked on everything from CJs, YJs, TJs, LJs, XJs, ZJs, WJs, probably MJs, so he knows what works and does not work. The new JKs have used a lot of new parts that are not available in any other vehicle, like 32 spline D44s, and the aftermarket is not quite there yet. Sure the aftermarket has done all the pretty bing accessories, but they have not made it to the true offroad parts yet.
For someone that wants to put on a 2" lift and 35s, yes there is no easier Jeep
I will finish with
(http://media.damnfunnypictures.com/dfp/post-46466-1100844940.jpg)
Good one on changing the "special needs" thing, making fun of those in our society we should be helping, you had up. You wouln't want to show everybody what kind of a person you really are. HA!
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Not offended at all Bnine. Hope you're not either.
None
Good luck with the old school! :P
Kidding!
Thanks, and good luck following me on your first club run with the new JK :wink:
By the way have you seen the crash test of the tj vs the JK? :wink:
Now Jack, if I were worried about crash tests, I'd be driving Volvo's, not jeeps :lol: :lol:
I think you've made a great choice of jeep for your application. At least it gets you away from that square light station wagon scene. Although we do have a large contingent of crazy mofo's that seem to love them here. :D :D
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:cry: Aww you're making me cry internet tough guy!! Too bad there are now middle finger emoticons!
Like I said, not my opinion, I have my own but I'm not a mechanic, so go fight with someone who cares.
http://forum.jkboard.com/
Why do you keep bringing up and hiding behind the JK board if you don't care. You are the one that started this thread and now when someone else states some very good points you try to hide.
Nice Work :roll: :roll:
For the Record, the Jk frame is stronger than any other Wrangler frame.
And I didn't question your ability to build, Where'd you get that from anyway?
How many JK's have you modified anyway to form your opinion anyway?
Tell us o Guru of Jeeps, how many JK's have you built or even wheeled?
And why the Freak are you slamming me for! a hole, like I said its not my opinion, its everybody elses!
Keep those blinders on, but it won't make that JK go away.
How many JKs have YOU built? Bnine has worked on everything from CJs, YJs, TJs, LJs, XJs, ZJs, WJs, probably MJs, so he knows what works and does not work. The new JKs have used a lot of new parts that are not available in any other vehicle, like 32 spline D44s, and the aftermarket is not quite there yet. Sure the aftermarket has done all the pretty bing accessories, but they have not made it to the true offroad parts yet.
For someone that wants to put on a 2" lift and 35s, yes there is no easier Jeep
I will finish with
(http://media.damnfunnypictures.com/dfp/post-46466-1100844940.jpg)
Good one on changing the "special needs" thing, making fun of those in our society we should be helping, you had up. You wouln't want to show everybody what kind of a person you really are. HA!
:lol:
I changed it
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Is that an invite to a club run?
Square light station wagon scene!?! Haa :( That's such an 80's arguement, oldschool! :lol:
kidding!
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Sounds like someones jealous.
I think you're wrong on a quite a few of those points. I'm not going to get into it with you 'cause like I said: I'M NOT THE ONE SAYING ITS THE MOST CAPABLE, MODIFIEABLE WRANGLER EVER.... EVERYBODY ELSE IS.
It never ceases to astound me. Everytime a new jeep replaces an old one everybody gets upset like a 2 year old missing his fav toy.
Go fight about it with people who care.
http://forum.jkboard.com/
What?... people have discussion on this forum.... Civil discussions.. nobody's is fighting here. I care... It's a Jeep site here. For a fella that does not even own a Jeep you are quite opinionated about them. Its' not because you read stuff on the net that you suddenly turn into a Jeep pro.
Members on this board are Jeep fanatics. Most of us are.... Bnine is for sure.... he knows his stuff.
Don't be so defensive man... If you want to fight go somewhere else.
If you want to talk face to face ... come to one of our meetings. I'll be there.
Dom
You know what...
Ok, here goes...
Where did you get that I don't own a jeep? or are cherokee's not jeeps again?
This is a civil discussion. Or do I need to hold back or something? Arguements on Jeep sites are always pretty hot from my experience.
What's with the "face to face" invite? If that's a "Hey welcome come on down have a pint shoot the crap about oldschool vs newschool." then I'm in. But somehow that sounds like you're calling me out?
You're not calling me out are you?
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Dom is one of the crazy station wagoners.
Im sure he was referring to you not owning one of the jeeps regarded in the discussion.
His invite is sincere and not a call out. Dom's a teddy bear and one of our friendliest members. He is also french, so his written word sometimes gets mis understood.
You are more then welcome to come talk jeep at a meeting or an open club run anytime. :D
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Its' not because you read stuff on the net that you suddenly turn into a Jeep pro.
Dom, just so you know, Jack and I are deeply offended by your comment. :cry: :cry:
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The topic of Jack's thread:
Advice needed.
Jack, maybe you need to change that title?
More like: Jack's getting a Rubicon 4 door as a daily driver for his wife because JKforum said it is the bomb, what do you guys think BUT only if you agree with everything i have read?
Keep it light Jack. This site rarely if ever sees anyone calling eachother names. A good bunch of folks that love jeeps. Personally i think the 4 door JK is an aborted H3. i like the H3 not the aborted Jeep. Thats me. Even on 37's i still don't like the look. Oh well, my bro in law owns one and i even wheeled with one from this club.
Remember Jack, its just opinions.
Tom 8)
P.S. i thought i gave you a pretty good welcome to Calgary off Jeepkings???
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Dom is one of the crazy station wagoners.
Im sure he was referring to you not owning one of the jeeps regarded in the discussion.
His invite is sincere and not a call out. Dom's a teddy bear and one of our friendliest members. He is also french, so his written word sometimes gets mis understood.
You are more then welcome to come talk jeep at a meeting or an open club run anytime. :D
(http://www.fiendbear.com/SuperBear.jpg)
I was not "calling you out" .... like you say. I just don't like people being a-h on the site. That's why I wrote that post originally.
I deleted my post because I thought it sounded a little angry (after i read it for the first time) and it was pointless to argue on the web. I guess you read it before I deleted it.
I will still be at next meeting if you want to chat (i'm not calling you out). I'm the guy sitting in the front with the funny accent.
Please don't take this the wrong way... Arguments are good. Calling people name is for 4wheeler.ca.
PS: Tom is right :roll:
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The topic of Jack's thread:
Advice needed.
Jack, maybe you need to change that title?
More like: Jack's getting a Rubicon 4 door as a daily driver for his wife because JKforum said it is the bomb, what do you guys think BUT only if you agree with everything i have read?
Keep it light Jack. This site rarely if ever sees anyone calling eachother names. A good bunch of folks that love jeeps. Personally i think the 4 door JK is an aborted H3. i like the H3 not the aborted Jeep. Thats me. Even on 37's i still don't like the look. Oh well, my bro in law owns one and i even wheeled with one from this club.
Remember Jack, its just opinions.
Tom 8)
P.S. i thought i gave you a pretty good welcome to Calgary off Jeepkings???
Its dhlo's thread Dr smartypants. :lol:
And Yes you did, and thanks for the welcome again.
Cheers!
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DOH!!!!!
My bad....i thought it was YOUR thread....oops :oops:
Tom
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soooo... are you guys still poking fun at the new JK's? cause i saw a harsh comment directed at square headlight jeeps and i just can't take it anymore!!!
you all know YJ's have been and always will be "the true Jeep."
i guess yer just jealous of my amazing YJ.
hahahhahaaaaa... my kidneys hurt:( as usual, im just kidding around.
i hope everyone else is kidding around too;)
ill throw my opinion out there. it was time for a new "Jeep." they need new customers bad. its only obvious they will make the new jeep more reasonable for new buyers. hence the highway engine, cushy suspension, and all the "skookem bells"(bill, ill ask you what a skookem bell is another time). overall, it rides and handles better then the TJ. will a stock TJ out perform a stock JK... sure the magazines say so... but ive learned early on that you can't trust 100% what you read on the net or in a mag.
so... if you want a comfy jeep that one day you can modify to kingdom come, then go with a JK. if you want to build and modify right now... then go YJ!!!!! hahahahaha, suckersss!
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We picked up our new "stock Rubi"! (HAHA)
It is a little underpowered, but compared to my CJ, it's a Ferrari!
Bottom line for us: It is totally a yuppie or soccer mom vehicle, but for us, it's a great, fun and safe vehicle for a kid. I will be dead cold before I will ever see us behind the wheel of a mini-van! The kid can be entertained by looking at the sky, not an integrated DVD player!
Bottom line for all: Whether square or round, stock or modded, two door or four door (or no doors), pavement princess or offroader, Jeeps kick arse! There is nothing better!
Thanks for everyone's help! :D
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BTW: I don't love cupcakes, but Jeeps KICK @$$!
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BTW: I don't love cupcakes, but Jeeps KICK @$$!
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Good on ya! have fun with your new Jeep!
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good job dude. and yes, they are a way better choice than a mini-van. get it out on the trails and tell us how it performs.
happy trails;)
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Congratz!!
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Minivan or JK?
JK all the way!!!! 8)