Political Powerplay aggressive parlimentary Takeover

[barmanjay]

.... which of the evils we wanted ....

I thought the lesser of the evils was harper,.. but if we have a coalition,.. I'd want layton to lead not dion

[Fredduck]

Billy I agree that what Harper and his gang did to energy trusts sucked.
But I'm old enough to remember the NATIONAL ENERGY PROGRAM brought in by the Liberals.
I remember how much it hurt the country and Alberta.
The masses out east think they are the "economic engine of Canada", in reality it is the resources of the western provinces that drive this country.
The infrastructer required just for the oilsands was being contracted as far out as Newfoundland.
This country's economy is resource based and always be.
There are no smart people in politics, there's no money in it, so we end up with the dolts we have.
What bugs me is, the apparent hijacking of democracy, even when Joe Clark was defeated there was an election right after.
Put it to the people

I'm all for western seperation, I love this country, but after being the abused stepchild of the eastern power base enough is enough


That's my rant for the day

[WhiteOut]

I was gonna stay out of here but here goes.  I am sorry to say that I foolishly voted Liberal in the last election, I now wish I had voted for Harper even though I disagree with some of his policies and standing on several social issues.  Never again will i vote for a Liberal candidate after this fiasco.

Did anyone else see in the Herald today the NDP MP who will likely be in charge of the environment and energy portfolio?  She was to stop ALL oilsands developement and mandate green policies until ther are strict environmental and health guidlines applied.  All this is is an attempt to move the economic power base back to the east and out of Alberta.

[Immortal]

I'm all for western seperation

I second that motion!!

[JackstandJohnny]

I wouldn't worry about the NDP taking over the energy portfolio, i've heard Elizabeth May (Green leader) may get the nod to a senate seat, AND possibly get the environment portfolio.  thats even scarier.


So, will the Separtist party join the coalition?  that'd even everything else out; two federal parties and two separtist parties.....  I cordially invite you all to join my newly created political party, effective named the Alberta Separtist Society, or in short A$$.  I strongly urge all Albertans to join the fight, and get some A$$.............


seriously though,I'm thinking of another Western based party like the Reform Party is on the verge of surfacing again........ 

or vote A$$

(sorry to change the spelling lol its politically correct)

[barmanjay]

Good thing you didn't call it the Western United Seperatist society - WUSS,.. LOL

[WhiteOut]

Looks like the GG made the right choice, it also looks like the first cracks are forming in the coalition.

[Toyman]

I agree with Bnine.  I never voted for Harper, never will.  Why?  If he were PM when the US invaded Iraq, he would have sent our troops over there to fight an illegal war.  Call me crazy, but if we are such a soverign nation, why is Harper so bent on following what the US does?  Had this happened, Canada could very well be a target or already be the victim of terrorist atttacks from exteremists...think I'm crazy, look at King's Crossing bombings in England.  The taxing of income trusts which he vowed never to do....then when against one of his major platform promises   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9mibZYpVPY

All of budget cuts his government won were at the expense of other important social programs, he raised income taxes, increased child tax credits which do nothing for the poorest families which are below taxable income levels.  The Conservatives tried to bankrupt every other politcal party by cutting the public subsidies for all opposition parties.  These broken promises, and the lack of an economic plan are the main reasons why the opposition parties are looking at forming a coalition gov't. 

Now Harper is saying that the NDP & Liberals are siding with the "seperatists".  It's funny how when Stockwell Day was leading the Conservatives that both parts had drafted a "working relationship"  (same as coalition) letter before the election in 2000.  Gilles Duceppe, the Bloc leader, remembered this agreement in the media this week, while Stockwell Day completely denied this when his name was on the drafted letter.  The agreement was never eventually signed.

It's really tough to see what is really happening in the House of Commons from out West, but after enough bold face lies and broken promises by the imcumbent, something had to be done.  Harper is to blame more than anyone, he has now alienated Quebec and is running his party by way of fear mongering.  Sure, Stephan Dion has all the public eloquence of Porky the Pig, but he would be running an alliance opposition governemnt which recieved 62% of the federal votes then step down once a new leader of the Liberals is appointed.  I would have rather seen this happen, than have our governemnt take a 7 week vacation while the country and worlds economy is in the most uncertain time in history.  Every leader's lack of willingness to cooperate is to blame for this situation.

[Spinalguy]

Toyman,
the previous Liberal government was so MUCH better
As you said, that 'deal' was NEVER signed.
The coalition was willing to give the Bloq the final POWER...no thanks!

Maybe its time for a new leader but i will stake this country's future on PC.

[JackstandJohnny]

couple things guys first off, if you look at the NAFTA (north american free trade agreement) its Chretien's signature thats on it...... Tories created and got tossed out of office for it. then it got passed into legislation. also,  while I the Harper Gov't has done some VERY dumb things (as has been statd here, income trusts, etc) we have to keep in mind, he ran a minorty gov't longer than any other inCanadian history, and unfortunately, passed more legislation as a MINORITY Govt' than the previous Liberals as a MAJORITY.......... (I won't even touch on the millions squandered in scandals)  some broken lies, sure, its a gov't they all do; but he dropped GST as he said he would and some other social programs as well. whether you like it or not, he had outlined plans and passed them with a minority gov't......

As far as economic plan, i'd like to hear one; the NDP and Liberal coalition kept yelling for auto sector bailout money etc etc....... turns out, GM needs some cash, and Ford and Dodge need credit lines just in 'case'............ i personally, i think its better to have some sort of business plan in place when public money will be allocated to struggling companies...... tossing 30B at problems without knowing what needs to be done is dumb.  the budget comes out in january..... i think REsponsible gov't can wait that long (more than 6 weeks at least after an election) before overthrowing..... then, if they can't work it out, vote em out, i'm all for it.....

as far as the coalition is concerned; John Manley has officially called for Dion to step down as leader.... again.....  and i wonder, if the coalition was so strong and such a good idea, how come Ignatieff and Rae and the others looking to take over for the Liberals all backed out of leading a coalition??  i'm sure its not cause they all believe Dion can run the country.....

sorry for the rant.... i'm gonna go break something on my jeep now

[Bnine]

I was here for NEP Fred. We packed up and moved home to Nova Scotia shortly after.

I was here for BM's GST too, and know that Canadians have paid far more in GST then the NEP ever cost.

And now Harpers Trust Ruling and inability to address world economy.

Followed by steady Eddy's royalty regime.

It doesnt matter what colors they fly. If they are crooked,  stupid, or liars that dont follow through. They need to be gone.

Still, never ceases to amaze me how strongly albertans hang on to the NEP that was almost 30 years ago when they is so much other crap that has screwed Canadians and Albertans since then that weighs just as heavy.

I dont support the coalition, thats not the canadian way. But I understand why people are fumed. Harper needs to be gone. Never should have back in the first place. Im sure if Dion wasnt such a boob, he wouldnt be.

[Hi Lo Silver]

Looks like the new coalition government had a quick photo shot with thier uncle before they took a breather for the Christmas season.
Sorry couldn't resist, but you have to admit they deserve it.

[Fredduck]

Billy I guess why NEP is stuck in the craw of Albertans is that it was a direct attack on Alberta and the oil sector.
Not only did it kill the oil sector but everything else in not only Alberta, but Canada. Remember the whole country went into a recession that took years to get out of. I am a firm believer that the west is the true economic power base  in Canada. Yes I'm choked at Harper and crew for what they have done to the energy trusts, I lost a P-pot of cash in that fiassco and it's really left our energy sector open to forgien takeover. Eddy's royalty regime was by far the stupidest thing I've ever seen. You wannna change the royalty regime make sure your neibours are doing the same.
I don't like any politician, but G.D. I don't want to go through the 80's again, that was painful.

[Bnine]

Couldnt agree more Fred.

Although sadly, NEP or not, I dont think the feds will ever stop pillaging alberta to fund the other provinces. Whats quebecs tab at now? 17 billion? Just silly.

[Fredduck]

I hate to say it but we would be better off without them.
Did you see Newfoundland is going to run a budget surplus - first ime- I think.