Front Stubby, Legal?

[LAHAL]

Hi guys,

Are front stubby's legal in alberta, i don't think i've seen one.

Anyone know the law.

Thanks.

[hps4evr]

im assuming bumper? i ran my front stubby bumper for a long while and had no issues. i even drove with no front bumper a few times and had no issues. of course ive got a horse shoe up my arse and i dont get caught for silly things like mud flaps (or lack thereof) and narrow bumpers. but i did get in an accident and i figure a full width bumper would have saved my fender and wheel from being crunched.

[WhiteOut]

I ran with no bumper cover, just the rebar exposed with no issues. Even parked in front of the cop shop for a while with it not on.

[w squared]

I've been running my current bumper (mid-width) for a few months now without any problems (YET....)

I know of a 4WS member that's had a Shrockworks stubby on his JK for at least a year. He used to be on here sometimes as "Smilinvamp"

[LAHAL]

Thanks guys

[jandh]

Ok I'm the one to ruin it    No bumper is illegal, but lot's of people don't get caught or the cop just doesn't want to do the paperwork so I slides alot, but my uncle got a 220$ fine for no bumper, so he says. 

as far as the stubby's go all i know is you can't have em in New Brunswick and Quebec.   But this is the wild wild west

[WhiteOut]

Actually its not prohibited by the TSA, the exact wording is.

Bumpers

76(1)  In this section, “passenger car” means a motor vehicle that is designed primarily to transport people and has a seating capacity of 10 or fewer but does not include a truck, a multipurpose passenger vehicle, a chassis cab, a motor cycle or a moped;

(2)  A passenger car must have both a front and a rear bumper.

(3)  A person shall not install or alter a bumper on a passenger car unless the design of the bumper is equivalent to, and the bumper is mounted in substantially the same manner as, the bumper installed by the manufacturer of the passenger car.

(4)  A person shall not alter a passenger car in such a way that the main structural component of a bumper is more than 500 millimetres or less than 400 millimetres above ground level when the passenger car is not loaded.

(5)  For the purposes of subsection (4), components that are commonly known as bumperettes or overriders are not part of the main structural component of a bumper or of the projected vertical facing of a bumper.

(6)  Subsection (4) does not apply to passenger cars manufactured before April 1, 1976.

(7)  A person shall not alter a car manufactured before April 1, 1976 in such a way that the bumper is more than 100 millimetres higher or lower than it was at the time the car was manufactured.


If a cop wanted to be a nit you can argue that I cant lift my Jeep since it raises the main bumper component over 500mm from the ground.
Also you have to consider that "bumper" means the underlying steel structure or "rebar", not the flimsy plastic covering.

[sn4cktime]

PJ stubby front on my JK, had a cop say he liked my bumper as he was giving me a speeding ticket last fall... so am assuming all good.

[w squared]

Given that  on a stock JK bumper nothing that extends beyond where a Stubby would cover is metal anyways, you could probably make a pretty good argument in court that you meet :

(3)  A person shall not install or alter a bumper on a passenger car unless the design of the bumper is equivalent to, and the bumper is mounted in substantially the same manner as, the bumper installed by the manufacturer of the passenger car.

You might want to keep your old bumper in the garage as an example though...

[LAHAL]

I was thinking of making a stock stubby, that's why I wanted to know if they where legal.

[w squared]

To be honest if you make a stock stubby on your JK most cops probably won't notice that it's not stock 

[AMCJeep]

We drive "Utility" vehicles, not passenger vehicles. I believe trucks and utility multipurpose vehicles are exempt from the bumper laws.

[cotaman]

actually under the canadian motor vehicle standards there is a bumper height maximum for jeeps and alot of the trucks that are running  out there...... it is around the 27 to 29" mark ( to the bottom of the bumper ) and a minimum height of 4" , with the vehicle unloaded    .... these are just the numbers i recall from when sgi here in sask try to put their raised vehicle act last year ( don't quote these as hard facts ) and the bumper must be a wide as the body... if  not the overall width of the vehicle including tires....   i think some one actually posted a link to the standard once 

[WhiteOut]

Yeah Sask laws are different.  If you actually go through the Queens Printer there is almost nothing on em.

[cotaman]

this what info i found on motor vehicle safety standards   ...... lots of reading...... have fun   ..... i guess every province has the power to create their own rules to.........  but it seems to a trend....... but that is another can of worms.......

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/showtdm/cr/C.R.C.-c.1038//?showtoc=&instrumentnumber=C.R.C.-c.1038