starter not wanting to come out.

[BUKI]

Any one know what the heck Im doing wrong.  Please make me look stupid because I want to stick some dynamite in it.  Its a 2.5 YJ.
I can remove everything but the starter itself.  Its almost like the oilpan has to be removed to pull the starter. But that cant be thecase since you cant remove some bolts to the oil pan with out removing the starter.
I feel increadibly dumb.  PLLLEEEAAAASE speak up and help me out.

Thnx to all
Mike

[TJ54]

I have the 2.5 in my TJ, I am thinking it is the same. I just changed mine, There are a couple of nuts to be removed holding on the electrical wires. then there are two bolts going vertical from the botton holding on the starter, on my TJ they are those wierd reverse torx type heads on the bolts.
Then the starter should just pull right out. I don't think there is any way the pan has to be removed. Maybe the starter is jammed somehow to the block. a few gentle taps should help persuade it off.

If you pick up the replacement starter first you should be able to see how it goes on. This will mean two trips to the parts store to get your core charge back. But Olds isn't that big.

[BUKI]

Its, Ok I got it ten min. after I posted This sorry Ian.
The Inspection Plate was bent and would not let me twist the starter out.  A pry bar and MR. BFH wass all it took to PERSUADE the bad boy.
But thanx for posting, I really appreciate it.