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diamondjoe

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TFI vs. HEI Upgrades
« on: November 12, 2007, 03:38:06 PM »
Hi All,

I'd like to pick your brains..

I have a 1990 YJ with the 4.2L I6.  I'm looking into an igniiton upgrade, and I can't seem to find a definitive comparison of the TFI upgrade vs. an HEI upgrade.  Can you offer any thoughts? tips? pointers?

I'm a fairly lazy dude, so I'd rather buy a full-kit than do some junkyard crawling.  I can only find a TFI kit on buildyour4x4.com (http://store.buildyour4x4.com/product_info.php?cPath=57_122&products_id=403&osCsid=0893cddef2d65f64bb870cc9fd02588a); while there are several HEI kits available.  For example (http://www.crtperformance.com/html/jeep_amc_hei_s.html).

I'm also considering combining this upgrade with a MotorCraft 2100 Carb replacement.  From what I can find on the internet, I think this will match my budget to the best performance improvements.

I appreciate the feedback.

Thanks,
Joe

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« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2007, 04:45:29 PM »
How about this ,

Get yourself a distributor cap , spacer and rotor for a 1982 Ford F150 4.9l inline six , you will need the wires too. A stock coil or an Accel high output coil will work too.

What this does is spreads the contacts within the cap out to a wider circle , reducing the possibility of cross fire.

This is what I did on my 88 ( for a while ) before converting to an MPI  high output power train.

I spent a weekend doing the following........

 Removing all of the pulse air crap and associated BS , vacuum operated "engine management" controls , the microprocessor , the carter feedback carb , and so on. Most of the time was spent un-doing the wiring harness , removing the wires that were part of the feedback / pulse air operating circuits and be-bundling it all so that the untrained eye would assume it's stock , nice and tidy.
Some splicing ( soldering & heatshrink ! ) will be necessary , it's not easy . Plenty of thought and planning went into what wires were needed , what was not and how to arrive at a simplified engine harness cleanly and professionally , the goal being reliability. The Ignition module ( below the washer bottle on the left inner fender ) , can be wired directly to the distributor , I built a sub harness for this using waterproof deutsh connectors. that took care of the ignition system. The charging system  can remain as it is , I just cleaned mine up and re-bundled it. The starting system needs little work , going from memory , I had to make a proper ground for the starter relay , clean up some additional wires , sort out some crappy wires for the backup lighting and there were a few splices needed to finish up.

The Vacuum circuits become far more simple , I retained the purge  canister , AGR valve , the CTO , the TAC / VAC for cold / warm up , switched the vacuum source to the distributor to a "ported signal " from above the throttle plate .The stock / microprocessor controlled system uses manifold vacuum to control timing , combined with signals from several sensors , including an oil pressure switch ?? , an O2 sensor , a manifold heater , the pulse air solenoids etc. , etc ,    far to complex ! compared to later vehicles. Hey , thats how they did it in the 80's !  :roll: .  Some knowledge of automotive tuning is needed to pull this off sensibly. The timing will have to be adjusted , using a timing light and a Vacuum guage ( old school style ) , 10 degree's of base timing is a good starting point. Use all new vacuum hose ! , you may have to buy a couple of tee's .  I went with an Accel coil ( I still have it & for sale ) , Oh , I should mention , the starter relay limits voltage to the coil by way of internal connections and some resistor wire in the circuits , it gets a full 12 volts while cranking and 6 volts when running , this is how these Jeeps are wired from the factory , take that into consideration when re-configuring the wiring.

I used a reman CJ carb (1981) , no stepper motor on that one and connected the electric choke .
 Before this my Jeep would stall , was hard to start , would stumble and hesitate , the detonation was out of contol , fifth gear was useless and the engine would barely rev beyond 3000   :cry: . After , it would idle cleanly , start easily , had more power  and would rev higher .  8)

I have not used the Motorcraft 2100 carb but hear is far better than any of the Carter carbs AMC / Jeep used.

The HEI conversion is also said to be a vast improvement too.


Some additional reading

How 80's stuff works .....    
http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/list.htm


A simple bypass ......
http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/electrical/jn-ignition99/

What ever way you choose to go , think it through , be methodical in how it's done and good luck.

Ultimately , all of these old Jeeps are better off with a proper conversion to MPI , it's the best way to prevent stalling on steep or off camber terrain.

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« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2007, 05:27:27 PM »
I got a new rebuilt motorcraft 2100 if your interested
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« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2007, 08:07:42 AM »
I did the junk yard crawl the other day and stripped a 90 blazer with 4.3ltr TBI.
-Computer, complete harness, dist and TBI and all sensors for $70.00.
All I need now is the carb to TBI adapter plate (will build) and a 14 - 17 psi fuel pump. This will be married on to my 90 YJ with 4.2l.
"can't wait as fuel injection for under 300 dollars"

Anyone got a 14-17psi fuel pump for sale?

diamondjoe

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« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2007, 01:48:16 PM »
gearhead  Thanks for the details!  From what you've described, I think that might be just a bit beyond my current skills.  I know it's definitely beyond my shade-tree garage.  Especially as winter rears it's head.  Going to such an extreme might be reserved for some time in the U-Wrench; or at least after I move to a place with a garage.

The MPI is definitely out of my price range; no matter how I try to justify it.  I'm thinking carb/ignition upgrades to provide the most "bang for the buck".  While I'm in there, I plan on doing the Nutter Bypass which you linked me to.

That how stuff works link is awesome

caltrex How much do you want for the MC2100?

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« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2007, 06:08:15 PM »
someone bought it last night


cheers
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diamondjoe

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« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2007, 07:22:56 PM »
Quote from: "calltrex"
someone bought it last night


Just my luck.

Oh well, they seem to come up regularly on eBay.