Shaganappi SOUTH got the axe,the original shag in the NW is safe.I hope they can restructure sucsesfully,we had a bad experience with the 2000 chev venture i bought for my wife,we replaced it with a Toyota Sienna on the word of wonderful toyota quality,it was no better than the chev!required a replacement engine @130,000 kms,had constant a/c problems,and even a few electical gremlins.Another friend bought a 07 Camry that has had transmission problems since new Toyota cant seem to fix.I dont want to pick on Toyota as some of the other Japaneese companys are also slipping in quality (a nissan titan owner was compaining bitterly about his truck to me the other day)The quality of the american brands has improved vastly,the jap cars may win in resale,but most of that gets eaten up in much higher maintenence costs.Myself i will continue to buy from GM and Chrysler.