MY 1998 TJ What to do Long arm or not. Have 44 boggers

[Eagle Jeeper]

Wow what a way to jump all over a guy for asking your opinion.  He has the parts and wants to build a rig out of them.  At least he wants to build the rig himself not buy it off the shelf like alot of folks.  Glutten for punishment or not building is half the fun.  If it don't work take it apart and start again.

[superles]

so are you folks trying to say that a rig with 44" tires on leaf springs all around won't flex and is a piece of shite to wheel on trails and by default is a mud bogger. If so I think you guys are full of shite. Just finished a full size chevy for a friend with a low centre of gravity that will put a front wheel 48" in the air and the other three on the ground, and yes it has 44's. Rear tires actually role inside rear fenders with limited cutting. He drove it to top of world with no traction bars on rear and did not hop once. Guess you got to know what you are doing.
I run 44" on mine so i can crawl everything and not rip trails up. by the way i hate muddddddddddddddddddddddd.
Wheel responsible and drive and build what ever the heck floats your boat, my 2 cents

[Spinalguy]

No.
i think what we are all commenting on is his stated words in his opening question.
It simply points to mudbogging which is fine. He clarifies that is not what he does, so what is left?

Honestly, any well built leaf rig with 44's will ROCK. (Think Dr. Dave out of Red Deer) and we know that but by his own statements, he doesn't need or desire flex. Yes, that is confusing.

So, what is the purpose of this rig? Maybe if its to do the Stupid Steep Sunday trail or Killer Cutline backwards than i would probablly link it even though Dr. Daves leafsprung CJ on 44's will go anywhere as good or better than linked rigs.

My quad comment was because doing easy cutlines and trails with no flex needed is boring in a 4x4 and better suited for all out quad assault.

Go ahead and re read his first post...
or maybe i am nuts?

And i am a web wheeler now but i can assure you that you will have to do some pretty insane trails to catch up to what i have already accomplished in my old 37 jeep.

[superles]

ok agreed,
long leaf springs done right are a low budget way to get it done.
the bad is that if you have a bad back you will hate it, if you do 50k a day and don't have a bad back, you soon will so invest in suspension seats lol.
jeeps can get away with it a bit better do to low chassis weight.

[Big Dodge]

This site is great, i love this site you guys make posting on here wicked.    I like mud i like trail riding i like it all. Just not the fan of coils like every one else is. Thats all  no more no less. But i am going to 4 link and king coil rear. Just looking at ordering coils now and my jionts. Front is going leafs.

[rangerdanger]

I ve seen a few rigs set up that way and they flex just as well as any coil rig. Build your rig up and run it in highriders and TTC!

[Bnine]

It has nothing to do with with "whats better then what".  Leafs can be made to work and links and coils can be made to work better.

It can go either way. Badly done coils wont work very well compared to well done leafs.

The whole point to my post is that the OP claims to not want flex, and is not worrying about climbing.

Anyone that knows suspension, knows that the main reason to link a rear suspension versus leafing it is to improve climbing stability. Either setup can be made to ride and flex just as well as the other.

The only difference is, with coils and links you can address all performance aspects with 1 setup done right. Speed, flex, stability, and ride quality. Leafs you have to pic a path, and some compromises have to be made.

So when a user comes here and says they dont care about flex and dont want to climb, but is thinking about linking the rear of a TJ its a bit of an oxymoron.

You come to a jeep board that is mainly populated by technical wheelers and ask advice on how to build a rig that has no intention of being technically wheeled.

Pointless

[superles]

This site is great, i love this site you guys make posting on here wicked.    I like mud i like trail riding i like it all. Just not the fan of coils like every one else is. Thats all  no more no less. But i am going to 4 link and king coil rear. Just looking at ordering coils now and my jionts. Front is going leafs.

Good mix, ran that way and loved it for climbing. I recommed shackle reversal for climbing over obsticles and maintaining forward motion. Tends not to snap leafs as bad or roll the shackles over when hitting obsticles with big tires. Keep the two inner 60 bolts tight  on the leafs or they will rip or snap right out of the housing.

[Big Dodge]

Well wheres all tecnical wheeling to. My zoda in pic has been down just about every trail around.  I have done killer cut line crash hill marble mount all on leafs.  With out any real problems. I have climb one or 2 hills.

 I wheel rocky area, show me a hill that my zoda will strugle with that a tj will walk up.

Its just not going to happen. LIKE I SAID lets go wheeling and show me your rig,  i wheel just about every weekend. Heading out saturday.
This saturday 19.


OH and wheres all these guy doing all this tecnical stuff. I am in let me no when your going and where it is.  STOCKER RUNS to maclean don't count hahahahahaahahah LOL

Good thing i just asked a simple  ?   Good thing no one asked what i planned on doing with my rig and that everyone just figured i was into mud boggin with out asking. Good thing that just cause i only climb maybe one what i will call scary hill a year with my rigs it is not built for trail ridding. Good thing i have only seen maybe one rock on the trails i ride this year worth climbing. And i have wheeled a alot this year. HAHAhaHAHAHHAAH

Sorry thats all just to make all the smart people feel smarter. 

Anyway rigs going on coils rear leafs front.

 I guess theres no stoping the peanut factory keep on posting i am injoying and i am sure everyone else is.

[Bnine]

Good thing i just asked a simple  ?  Good thing no one asked what i planned on doing with my rig and that everyone just figured i was into mud boggin with out asking.

Why would anyone ask. You stated what you do and dont do with your rigs in your first post. In case youve forgotten already. See below.

By your own statement, you claimed not to be interested in technical wheeling. Since we dont have any desert here, the only things left are mud, and the mall. Doesnt take an idiot to do that math.

It does take an idiot to ask you what your plans are with the rig after you stated them in your first post.   

I don't do much rocks or climbing flex don't mean much to me. Springs are cheap and easy to install.

Sorry thats all just to make all the smart people feel smarter. 

Not sure what that is supposed to mean, but if you are trying to apologize for how dumb people are becoming after reading your half legible babblings, at least its an effort I guess.


Again, why are you going to put coils in the back if you have no interest in climbing? Do you know how to build a proper 4 link?

Do you tubing size and thickness requirements in relationship to length and rig weight?

Do you know how to set up your frame and axle seperations to obtain the proper instant center and antisqaut measurements?

Are you prepaired to spend the money to build the links right, with components that will last?

Do you know what those components are? Are you going to triangulate, dual triangulate, or 5 link it?

What spring rates are you going to run?

Are you going to swaybar the rear to try and stabilize and equal it out with the front leafs?

 What are you going to do with fuel delivery when you stretch?

How are you going to get to 112" wheelbase with leafs in the front?

Are you going to stretch the frame?

What are you going to do with steering with so much stretch? Astro van assist? Full hydro? Box rotation?

All these issues need to be addressed. You coming and starting with such a broad questions shows you havnt the slightest clue where to start, and have no understanding of what you could be in for.

What you are proposing is a lot of work to do right, and have work properly. Even on a budget, it is very expensive to do right.

Considering you already said that you dont really care about flex and climbing, that would make this big project a complete waste of time.

Much like this thread.

[Big Dodge]

Above post proves my point even more.

Like i said ask a simple ? and you get all of this.   

Dude no hard feelings and you should relax and try not to get or take things so personell.


Oh and this will be number 5 on the coil builds but my first with king coils.


OH and its funny how i keep asking to see these rigs on the  trail and everyone seems to avoid that part of the post.

This is a 4x4 site and a club correct. Where the wheeling .......................GOING OUT WEST THIS WEEKEND any one

[Immortal]

I am going wheelin' out west, too!! Maybe we can all hook up and have a bon-fire!!!

[w squared]

The reason you won't see any pics of other people's rigs on the trail here is that we don't post pics of our rigs on the trail in the public area of the forum.

[JackstandJohnny]

Above post proves my point even more.

Like i said ask a simple ? and you get all of this.    

Dude no hard feelings and you should relax and try not to get or take things so personell.


Oh and this will be number 5 on the coil builds but my first with king coils.


OH and its funny how i keep asking to see these rigs on the  trail and everyone seems to avoid that part of the post.

This is a 4x4 site and a club correct. Where the wheeling .......................GOING OUT WEST THIS WEEKEND any one

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i think i'll pass with wheeling with you...... ever.  your toting quite a 'tude there towards wheeling that i neither appreciate nor want to be around on a trail.  thats the attitude that led me away from 'boggers' and big trucks to more nimble, jeeps and this club in general. anyday i will wheel with these guys/gals because they are respectful, care about the sport and will do everything they can to help a fellow wheeler out on the trail.  i would do the same for them.  you on theother hand....... like i said, i'll pass thanks.

PS i wonder what kind of feedback you would get if this was posted on Pirate4x4 lol


and again, good luck with your build

[Big Dodge]

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i think i'll pass with wheeling with you...... ever.  your toting quite a 'tude there towards wheeling that i neither appreciate nor want to be around on a trail.  thats the attitude that led me away from 'boggers' and big trucks to more nimble, jeeps and this club in general. anyday i will wheel with these guys/gals because they are respectful, care about the sport and will do everything they can to help a fellow wheeler out on the trail.  i would do the same for them.  you on theother hand....... like i said, i'll pass thanks.

PS i wonder what kind of feedback you would get if this was posted on Pirate4x4 lol


and again, good luck with your build

OMG this is priceless you don't no me from a hole in the wall. What do you do for the wheeling community and then we will compare. I have helped a donzen guys put there rigs togeather. When i sell parts i try and sell them as cheap as i can so other guys can get there rigs built.  Dude i think you should be ashamed  to even post what you posted above. I have been trashed for the last 10 post for asking a simple ?.


MAN i have never meet a more disrespectful bunch.  I will say this one more time but it will not change a thing. My self and a bunch of good guys all on 33" and 35" tires are going wheeling this weekend. Oh and a few guys who are members on here are going.  Anyone who wants to oh i don't no stop web wheeling and go wheeling let me know. Already been a few from here pm me.

And the burning my rig if thats what your getting at come on out and meet me in person. YA may change your mine , pretty sure of it. Or keep posting  this dribble and hide behind your computer, we are all use to it.  WEB WHEELING ROCKS.

I BET THERE WILL BE AT LEAST 5 or more useless post to what i just posted . Good thing this is a respectful family site.  I must say i am  injoying the read at this point.

I can keep coming up with stuff,  it is now just to see what is going to be said by others.

OH and this was a post asking a simple ?  should i run leafs or coils ....................................................................i have no idea how it got here. 

AND I AM AN ASSH@LE  but at least i no it.