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Offline calltrex

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« on: October 21, 2007, 02:18:26 PM »
What not to do...

Never go on the trails by your self. 2 guys in 1 jeep burning around and they got stuck. Water at hood.  They also sucked water into the engine so that was dead also.

Oh ya. They also did not have any tow points on front or rear. No bumper on the front.

Anyways they walked for 3hrs back to the store. Nightime was cold out..

We just happened to be meeting for a night run. CJA went to see if we could get his jeep out and then pumped the water out of the engine and pull started it to get it running again.

They were just lucky that we were meeting there at that time.









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« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2007, 02:34:45 PM »
Ouch.

Hopefully you offered to join in the CJA and learn some things.
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« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2007, 02:38:52 PM »
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Ouch.

Hopefully you offered to join in the CJA and learn some things.


You mean he.  not me
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« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2007, 03:25:20 PM »
Very good job and community service guys. Excellent job to Dava and the crew on the night run.
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« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2007, 04:10:28 PM »
I swear, every time I ever went to Maclean, somebody has approached our group with similar curcumstances.

Oh, and nice intake horn on the airbox, maybe he should have had it pointed up instead of down, may have reduced the water intake.

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Offline dunl

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« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2007, 04:18:17 PM »
Quote from: "calltrex"
Quote from: "dunl"
Ouch.

Hopefully you offered to join in the CJA and learn some things.


You mean he.  not me


Uh...yeah. :lol:
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« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2007, 04:19:05 PM »
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I swear, every time I ever went to Maclean, somebody has approached our group with similar curcumstances.

Oh, and nice intake horn on the airbox, maybe he should have had it pointed up instead of down, may have reduced the water intake.

Vince


i hear you Vince. We actually started saying NO. And if they are drunk, they can stay there. If they were in an area they were not supposed to be, we left them. After the initial NO, we charged minimum $100 to go see if it was recoverable. And than the meter started. Really, if you called Lemon aid Jay, you would pay and i see no reason that i need to wear and tear my rig to help out the stereotypical 'walker' from the woods. Now, if i am on trail and come across a stranded soiltary rig, i will help as long as not drunk and not stuck in an area we should not be...and no charge :lol:
 
i really believe its the under prepared that are the major reason we lose trails so my compassion is much less over the years. They are the ones playing where we should not be, drinking and driving,etc

i really wanted to wheel last night but my wife and i had to go support a cousin in a play. i am glad i never made it because i would not have been as gracious as you all were.
Jaded maybe but more tired of wasting my wheelin adventures to help out 'walkers'. With the internet there is no excuse to not be prepared;ie...tow hooks and recovery gear.
And when these guys don't get help, they learn quickly...the hard way
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« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2007, 06:36:49 PM »
Thread Killer? :oops:
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« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2007, 06:44:29 PM »
I agree with you Tom...although, I have been there myself. Mind you...that WAS before the inet filled me in so much. I bet they were having a great time until that happened. Let's hope they don't do it again.

I hope someone told them what they did was stupid...maybe they'll think twice next time...and maybe they'll join a club.

So much for treading lightly. :roll:
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« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2007, 07:15:56 PM »
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we charged minimum $100


I'm not from around here but to charge another 4X4'er money for a tug out of a water hole is just wrong...hell i've spent many hours being tow'd out of the woods myself and i've spent just as many hours pulling people i didnt know out aswell and i never heard the word "money" and thats the way it should be if you ask me.
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« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2007, 07:32:57 PM »
I should keep my mouth shut but I decided not to.  I personaly would have helped them.  The 3 hr walk and embarassment I am sure they went through when you guys helped them out I am sure will make them think twice next time they want to go out.  I was in a group that helped people in the same situation but they spent the night out in the winter stuck in their rig and they did learn their lesson.  lol.  Besides aren't we all out there to have fun and help each other out in the 4x4 community?
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« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2007, 08:20:50 PM »
i am glad people are speaking up. There is no 'right' answer just opinions.
i will clarify Lance. IF i am on trail anywhere i will not charge...ever. IF i am on trail and come across someone stuck and drunk, they will remain stuck. IF i come across someone stuck and 'off trail' , ie; CLOSED SENSITIVE area, i will leave them stuck. Count on this.

Now as someone who has come out of a wheelin trip at Maclean and packing up at the store to head home 'countless' times where a 'walker' asks for help, i have done it many times...no charge, no reimbursement for wrecked straps, wrecked winchline, time, gas,etc. All for the LOVE of my fellow 4x4 enthusiasts.
Fast forward to the internet world. Info is so readily available that as a NEWBIE you really have no excuse for doing solo adventures UNPREPARED. So, if they walk out and call a rescue truck like Extreme (years ago) or LemonAid Jay now, they will wait longer and they will PAY. Paying me $100 for my time is reasonable. In this day and age of areas being shut down, the evidence seems to support the "newbie" not in a club or on a 4x4 forum as the culprits. When i see any thread regarding closures, its preaching to the choir because anyone on these sites KNOWS better. Its the one timer MUD finding crowd that is killing us, so i have changed my good citizen attitude a bit.
Tom
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« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2007, 08:35:35 PM »
My 2 cents
It depends on circumstance , if they are drunk or doped up they can stay put 'till they sober up, but I've never ran in to that situation.
More often it is a newbie who just bought a 4x4 and is totally clueless as to what can happen out there, I will help those guys out (I was one :) ) let them know about the different clubs and sometimes point them in the right direction, Kia's and Lada's to the FWS :lol:  for instance

I'm not going to leave someone stuck in the bush, espeacially if the weather is bad, I would have a hard time living with myself if they got hurt or worse trying to hike out.
But I'm not going to damage my jeep trying to get them unstuck, if it's going to be a major extraction, they can ride out with me and call out Lemon-aid jay or someone like that.

edit: what about the liability issue.  If the persons vehicle was to roll or flop while I was attached with a tow strap, would they come after me??? I imagine extreme and lemonaid have insurance for that, I know the city tow trucks do.

Totally agree with Tom, I am absolutely not going off approved trails to help anyone.
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« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2007, 08:58:14 PM »
The weird thing is that this only happens at Maclean where 'walkers' show up. i have never been approached by walkers anywhere else. So, i guess its at Maclean that i have this position. It is also Maclean that is a crap show on Long weekends.
As for letting someone die due to weather? For $100 they can live :lol:
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« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2007, 09:32:47 PM »
Im more prepared then most people. I even got a whole set of cooling hoses. Even a extra winchline if mine breaks...

But I still have never gone out by myself and dont plan on it anytime soon...


Hes lucky Rick offered to go help because I dought I would have....
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