Calgary Jeep Association
4x4 Related Groups => Tech Talk => Topic started by: redrubi on October 19, 2008, 10:48:14 AM
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Looking for a bit of experience oriented opinions....
After shopping for winches for about a year now, it's down to the infamous Warn and T-max brands (I think). I have all the Warn boys pointing out that the T-max winches have a 'plastic gear' set-up.
Has anyone run a T-max or know much about them? I'd love to know what a true users opinion of the T-max winch is.
Any thoughts.....?
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T-max are slow, the motors are cheaper, the parts are foreign.
The warn is a better investment., better built, more reliable unit. Its just that simple. Its very hard to touch a warn. Superwinch and ramsey are the only two that are remotely in warns league.
Knock offs like t-max, costco, mm electric, and whatever other name you slap on the same chinese winch just arent up to par.
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T-max are slow, the motors are cheaper, the parts are foreign.
The warn is a better investment., better built, more reliable unit. Its just that simple. Its very hard to touch a warn. Superwinch and ramsey are the only two that are remotely in warns league.
Knock offs like t-max, costco, mm electric, and whatever other name you slap on the same chinese winch just arent up to par.
werd!!
I received a destroyed 8500 superwinch,.. I dissassembled, replaced what various screws and bolts required, bent back what was warped, lubed it up and yesterday it hauled out a stuck cherokee on 33's, and bent my 1" square steel cross brace for the winch
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Right now for the price you can't go wrong with the Warn M8000. It has been one of warn's staple winches and it is a very good little winch for the price. Also check out the classifieds because I got a great deal on a 8274 a few years back.
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ask anyone that has had to have repairs done to their brand-X winch... yer kinda outta luck. Warn can get you parts. some of them have upgrades. and there are places in the city that can rebuild the minto better winches. yes, they cost more up-front. but when yer in the middle of nowhere and yer all alone and yer girlfriend is using very colorful words on how smart you are... do you want to tell her you just broke the plastic lever off of your winch???
i didnt either, so i bought a warn:)
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I KNEW Misty was a great girl!!
Especially since she puts up with you.
LOL!!! ::) ;D ;D ;D
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The first winch I bout was a Smitty Built. I did tons of research before and found that they were a good winch. It left me stranded after the third pull I did.
I send it back and got a tabor 9K ( a Warn M8000)
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Right now for the price you can't go wrong with the Warn M8000. It has been one of warn's staple winches and it is a very good little winch for the price. Also check out the classifieds because I got a great deal on a 8274 a few years back.
what is an m8000 going for roughly?
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dsi has them on sale right now for $550.00
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Holy crap!! that is a pretty good price, methinks!!
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...the T-max winches have a 'plastic gear' set-up.
Has anyone run a T-max or know much about them? I'd love to know what a true users opinion of the T-max winch is.
Well, I guess I'm going to be the run to go against the grain here. I've got a T-Max 9000 WCP. I've had it on my Jeep for about 7 months now, so haven't used it that much. 3 light pulls, and 4 all out pulls. No problems with overheating or gears. Not sure about all the models but mine was made (the gears are machined from a block, not pressed/forged crap) and assembled in Australia. There's no plastic on the winch to speak of. Handle/crossbars/gears are stainless. The only plastic is the wireless control/plug.
Not to say I don't like Warn winches, but their bottom lineup is just as sh***y as any other manufacturer's bottom end. Look up reviews or stress/hell tests that mags like 4WD and JP have done on winches. Every company has issues at some point. If I remember right I think it was in 06' that SuperWinch came out on top as being the only one to survive the day of testing. All the others burned out or broke; T-Max and Warn included.
Warn's top lineup is probably one of the overall best you could go with though. I was thinking of the 9.0C for it's small size. I just couldn't justify the cost at all.
As far as parts & service goes, Warn is definitely top of the list. Unless there's a bullet hole in there they'll make sure it gets fixed or that you get the parts you need. I haven't broken anything on mine yet so can't speak on their customer service at all. I'd assume a longer wait time on anything though.
BTW, it is quite difficult to find distributors of T-Max that carry the better lineup.
If you want something that REALLY pulls, get a Warn Hydraulic. Going to be some cost to go with that though.
Hope that answered some questions from an actual owner.
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I thought Tmax was an Aussie company (which speaks volumes considering the wheeling available over there). Your T-Max is exactly what I had priced out so your opinion is greatly appreciated.
Now decision time......I hate being cheap.....!
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I know a guy that has been using a Costco Champion winch for the past few years and it has not let him down yet at all. It is slow as hell but it is still going strong and it has done some hard pulls
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I know a guy that has been using a Costco Champion winch for the past few years and it has not let him down yet at all. It is slow as hell but it is still going strong and it has done some hard pulls
But then again, there is our own member Rick that has cooked 2 of those winches in less then 10 pulls, and Robin that didnt get that many out his either.
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I thought Tmax was an Aussie company (which speaks volumes considering the wheeling available over there). Your T-Max is exactly what I had priced out so your opinion is greatly appreciated.
Now decision time......I hate being cheap.....!
Australian company doesnt mean made in australia. They are made in china, just like warns Tabor line, mile markers electrics, champions, and everyother budget brand winch out there.
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I've read complaints plastic pieces in the engage level on some china models - no info on which ones ...
I've used a warn mx8000 for a long long time, broke two cables but the winch hasnt let me down, even
pinched the remote wire cabling in and was able to hot wire it to get unstuck - warn shipped me a kit to
fix remote ...
tip - not sure how you secure your winch but lots get stolen, especially if it can just be unbolted , I had
my nut ends torched just a tad so they have to cut it off ... hopefully I never have todo it but it could deter
the quickie theft ...
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tip - not sure how you secure your winch but lots get stolen, especially if it can just be unbolted , I had
my nut ends torched just a tad so they have to cut it off ... hopefully I never have todo it but it could deter
the quickie theft ...
Thanks for that one, I was getting around to looking into anti-theft methods.
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Australian company doesn't mean made in Australia. They are made in china, just like warns Tabor line, mile markers electrics, champions, and everyother budget brand winch out there.
True, I had never assumed Tmax was made in OZ, I am wondering if Tmax holds their manufacturer to a higher level of quality based on the fact that they have such a huge following down under. (I like to give them a chance until proven either way)
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Used my good old costco winch prob about 20 times and a 1/4 of them were hard muskeg pulls.
Like BlackYj said. They are as slow as molasses in january, But it's never let me down.
For my next winch I will go with a warn tho, but that's for when I can affoard it lol
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True, I had never assumed Tmax was made in OZ, I am wondering if Tmax holds their manufacturer to a higher level of quality based on the fact that they have such a huge following down under. (I like to give them a chance until proven either way)
Sounds like you had your mind made up before you asked anyways. So go buy one and find out for yourself.
Here is a link on chinese built winches and how the QC you referred to works. And yes, Im sure T-max selects a higher QC then some distributers.
http://www.rubiconownersforum.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=35491