Calgary Jeep Association
4x4 Related Groups => Tech Talk => Topic started by: Waytec on October 29, 2008, 05:33:29 PM
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I am in need of some suggestions for how to strengthen a D35.
I have been wanting to re gear and locked my rear end since about my 3ed trip out. But the cost to gear and lock a 8.25 is superiorly more then a 35. Also used parts are allover the place for them. So I have gotten a D35 and a used locker and am going to put it under my Cherokee.
Before I do so I want to strengthen the D35 first. This done all the time but I can not find info about how to do so. So any suggestions or links on how to do so would be great.
Thanks
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Thought you had the 8.25 in the rear?
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The phrase "polishing a turd" pretty much sums up the wisdom of putting money into a "turdy5".
Look for a D44, 8.25, explorer diff........
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96+ explorer 8.8 diff with disc brakes
Id rather have the 8.8 open then the wimpy D35 locked
if u can live with drum brakes instead pre-96 you can get a 8.8 for $100
I bought one for $100
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I have an 8.25 now and D44's people want left arms for. So far I have less then $100 into a D35 that is geared and a ARB locker. I can reinforce this diff and have no issues unless someone has an 8.25 or a D44 geared and locked for me at those prices. I will take it.
Back to the issue at hand. How is the best way to reinforce a D35.
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as far as i know use a truss
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Truss might help the axle tubes, but all of the internals are still going to be junk. A locker will only make them break easier.
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Truss might help the axle tubes, but all of the internals are still going to be junk. A locker will only make them break easier.
Not always the case if you understand the forces. It is usually high instantaneous stress that breaks the shafts like when you are spinning a tire and suddenly get traction. It is true that locker do put a higher continous stress on the shafts which can aid in breaking a shaft
Now I locked my D35 with an ARB and I actually felt safer than when I was open. The reason being is that I did not need nearly as much momentum or skinny pedal to go hills or tough obstacles.
Since you are set on building a D35 and you probably don't have a super kit in there, I would look at truss the housing and getting alloy shafts. With that combo you should definitely be okay with 31s and if you make the step to 33s for awhile. A lot of people jump on the brand wagon and bash the D35 but 31s or 33s it can be a decent axle if built right and the driver realizes it a D35. Denise's D35 took a CRAP load of abuse and last a long time
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Thanks Scott
I will defiantly look into a super kit. As for a truss is their anywhere I can go to get info about putting a truss on.
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is it a c-clip or non c-clip ??
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non c-clip
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Check out Mountain Valley Customs, they have a truss/skid that a few guys on JF run.
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I will defiantly look into a super kit.
The Super kit requires a new locker as it is 30 spline shafts, but I would talk to ARB and ask is you can just swap the spider gears for some 30 spline ones. I know you can do that on the newer D30 ARBs
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Not to be negative like on pirate 4x4 BUT .............................
As mentioned
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You could go ahead with your plan anyway . At this stage it appears inexpensive when in fact , if it grenades , leading to a second axle build / repair or aquisition / build if it blows up real good , the cost could be a real shock if you are not prepared for it. I should mention the potential hassle of dragging it out of the back country , towing , etc.
Here's a D35 shaft next to a D44 (Waggy)
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If you build it and it breaks , the ridicule and guffawing could get outa hand , hope you don't mind some teasing.
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Lots of us have run D35's , I still own two vehicles with D35's neither of them get wheeled or do any towing. I've also seen Dana 35's survive a savage pounding a number of times as well as snap an axle turning a corner at the mall.
Think it over before spending money.
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Because Gearhead is so set on me not building a D35 I guess he will gladly trade me a D44 with a air locked and gears for the D35, locker and gears I have now. So Pm me with your address and I will come by this weekend to get it.
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What size tires are you running on your rig?
As for strength Id agree with all the forementioned parts that you can pick out amongst the jargon!....Truss, new shafts, and less skinny pedal!
;)
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aaron, i run the dana 35c in the rear of my YJ. its locked, 4.11 gears. and its been that way for 6 years of wheeling. i do understand that its a dana 35 so i dont drive it like its a dana 60. you've sen me wheel with my 33" tires. its lasted. i drive it every day to work and back. and yes, ive re-done gears and bearings on it this last spring. the axles are still good, and all parts are plenyful becasue everyone throws there old junk away. so maybe its the stealth rear-end nowadays:) anyways, there are a few truuss's otu there for them, and thats the week point. the housings bend. so if you've got the parts, and they were cheap, then by all means, you can go ahead and be the first person to ever swap a dana 35 into a jeep!!!
keep spareshafts on hand, and the tools to change them. maybe bring everything from the rearend. you drive a wagon, lots of room;)
i thought i saw Timken made a truss at one point.
good luck.
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Aaron...check this out - http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/reviews/super35truss/ ;D
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That truss has not been available for several years.
Superior does have another one that has either been just released, or will be shortly.
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There is also this one - http://www.quadratec.com/products/16355_212.htm
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Thats a 4 link truss, which will work.
If you can weld that 4 link truss on, you might as well save 250$ and just cut 3 peices of square stock yourself and build essentailly the same thing. Minus the link brackets you dont need for an XJ.
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hey aaron, thought you might want to check this link out. 8.8 and a D30 for 600$ isn't great, but that 8.8 would swap right in, and the gears at 4;10 would be pretty decent with 33s. and that is beefy.i LOVE the fact the YJ has the 8.8 out back. i can't wait to get on the gas when i get out wheeling and not have to say 'hm, D35.... better back off the skinny pedal'
haha, good luck with the swap. i also didn't break my D35 but i drove it like a wimp