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General Forums => Chit-Chat => Topic started by: barmanjay on December 02, 2008, 12:51:14 PM
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thoughts?
I think its a baaad idea,.. I feel s. dion is the worst of the 4 evils.
I would've thought ndp anf pc would be the lesser of the evils, but with ndp signing the accord, they can't be any better than dion.
If you guys think its a bad idea, sign the petition below, I did.
http://www.PetitionOnline.com/CANADIAN/petition.html
Aside from my thoughts
millions of canadians had chosen for 1 leader,.. how can the 3 other parties speak for the rest of canada to say "we can join forces" when clearly there is a reason how each canadian voted, surely the NDP votes were ment to be Liberal and BLOC was meant to be NDP? WTF????
even if it costs us another $300 mil,.. I say let's vote on it.
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I,m with you jay,not the three stooges of politics. These three do not represent me or any other canadians ,this is a power struggle with three egomaniacs and Steven Harper.One is a leader of a party who has vowed to break up Canada the other is a socialist and the other is a citizen of France. These three are not leaders. As a citizen of Canada i have voted for a leader of Canada. Signed the petition
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Signed... 34679 sigs so far....
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Signed... 34679 sigs so far....
wow, I was 8000
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Now there is 35358... note time between my vote and this post...
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I voted for Harper but have two points I think are important.
He did NOT win a majority gov't, so that means that the majority of the country did NOT want him as PM, they just couldn't decide who they did want.
PC did win more votes than any other individual party and had a MINORITY gov't, this means that you need to play nice with ATLEAST one other party to get anything done. Harper seems incapable of this. In my eyes he brought this on himself.
I'll still sign the petition cause a coalition scares the crap out of me.......
Geez I sure wish he had sucked up in Quebec a bit more and got a majority gov't.
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they should take the three leaders and execute them on treason cause what they are doing is treason
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Excellent points
Harper won only a minority
but a coalition scares the crap out of me too,.. I'll take a harper over dion anyday,.. however, if Layton was leading the coalition,.. I think i wouldn't mind so much.
*rant on*
I *still* think there should be a spot for a "Vote of Non Confidence In Any Candidate or Party" on the ballots. >:(
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Screw it,.. lets start our own party,.. we'll call it the Jeep green Party,.. then we'll align ourselves with the green party
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A minority is one thing..... not a single person in this country....... and this includes the BLOC......... voted for the blocs ultimate participation in Federal Gov't. this is essentially what has happened. yes they are NOT part of the coalition, but they are active in the coalition. they have signed in to endorse the coalition for 18 months with a Veto; while the Bloc has supported the Conservatives over the last year, such a piece of legislation has NEVER been signed by any other parties in Canadian history.
indeed the Separtist party now has an active say in legislation.
As Moisiour Duceppe so elegantly stated, "What is good for Quebec is also good for a Sovereign Quebec" He is basically stating that no, he does not care about the current state of Canada, but that only of Quebec..... such a man now has an active say in Canadian politics.
my hopes: the Governor General does one of two things: she calls BS and calls for another election or (which is better) prorogue parliament to the new year, in which time i hope people can answer two questions:
1: How can it be possible that the leader of a Party who posted the worst election results in 141 years, and was effectively ousted from his own party, has come to run the Country, and
2: How could you possibly get into bed with a Separtist party and believe they will do ANYTHING in the best interest of the country.... specially when they openly admit they won't.............
# 43492................................... man, i need to go pour another rum. this is depressing
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and i seriously thought the united states had the most incomprehensible government around... i guess not;)
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Sorry, while I agree the coalition is a bad thing, 56,129 Canadians so far must have missed the phrase:
"are do not"
WTH??? Someone decided they were so mad about this that they drew up an official petition without using correct grammar? How stupid does that make everyone look?
Might as well started it with "I very mad!!!" ::)
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So we can have a Liberal loser that comes from the most messed up thieving party Canada has ever witnessed, a social 'outkast' Layton from a party that is all about the 'little' guys and GIVING, but in a economic recession will surely tailspin us into economic doom and a party that makes no bones about what it wants for itself and its people but not any other province...
to now run our country during these tuff times?
GREAT!
Harper has done very well with a MINORITY government. He lasted through the last election and won that one. Ontario even saw some Liberal seats lost as the intelligent (not liberal die hard loyalist sheeple) voters realized overall Harper was doing good things.
So, if this happens we are in more trouble than we can imagine. Bailout programs will be the 'new' Canada.
i signed the petition
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Wow
I was #8640
now it's snowballed well over 125k in just 24 hours
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Harper only won because everyone else were just bigger idiots.
This is the same guy that evaporated 33 billion Canadian dollars primarily held by retired Canadians with his unfounded ruling on the trust companes. Right after he said he wouldnt touch it.
I have no faith in any of them. Total agreement with Pat. Fire them all right now.
As for most theiving party in history, I doubt any one will ever top the mess Brian M created with the "Free trade" agreement and the GST.
Im not political at all, I hold no party loyaties what so ever. The only thing I have is a track record of getting the shaft every time a conservative gets federal power. From GST, to desimating my RRSP by nearly 70% in 1 day.
On the other hand, provincial has always been different.
It all goes back to the individual, and I dont think any of them in the capital are worth 2 cents right now.
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Agreed Bill,
Unfortunately, we were given an opportunity to decide for ourselves which of the evils we wanted to lead our country. And now, the losers have banded together to reverse our decision.
I hate politics... it breeds contempt for your brothers/sisters.
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.... which of the evils we wanted ....
I thought the lesser of the evils was harper,.. but if we have a coalition,.. I'd want layton to lead not dion
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Billy I agree that what Harper and his gang did to energy trusts sucked.
But I'm old enough to remember the NATIONAL ENERGY PROGRAM brought in by the Liberals.
I remember how much it hurt the country and Alberta.
The masses out east think they are the "economic engine of Canada", in reality it is the resources of the western provinces that drive this country.
The infrastructer required just for the oilsands was being contracted as far out as Newfoundland.
This country's economy is resource based and always be.
There are no smart people in politics, there's no money in it, so we end up with the dolts we have.
What bugs me is, the apparent hijacking of democracy, even when Joe Clark was defeated there was an election right after.
Put it to the people
I'm all for western seperation, I love this country, but after being the abused stepchild of the eastern power base enough is enough
That's my rant for the day
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I was gonna stay out of here but here goes. I am sorry to say that I foolishly voted Liberal in the last election, I now wish I had voted for Harper even though I disagree with some of his policies and standing on several social issues. Never again will i vote for a Liberal candidate after this fiasco.
Did anyone else see in the Herald today the NDP MP who will likely be in charge of the environment and energy portfolio? She was to stop ALL oilsands developement and mandate green policies until ther are strict environmental and health guidlines applied. All this is is an attempt to move the economic power base back to the east and out of Alberta.
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I'm all for western seperation
I second that motion!!
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I wouldn't worry about the NDP taking over the energy portfolio, i've heard Elizabeth May (Green leader) may get the nod to a senate seat, AND possibly get the environment portfolio. thats even scarier.
So, will the Separtist party join the coalition? that'd even everything else out; two federal parties and two separtist parties..... I cordially invite you all to join my newly created political party, effective named the Alberta Separtist Society, or in short A$$. I strongly urge all Albertans to join the fight, and get some A$$.............
seriously though,I'm thinking of another Western based party like the Reform Party is on the verge of surfacing again........
or vote A$$
(sorry to change the spelling lol its politically correct)
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Good thing you didn't call it the Western United Seperatist society - WUSS,.. LOL
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Looks like the GG made the right choice, it also looks like the first cracks are forming in the coalition.
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I agree with Bnine. I never voted for Harper, never will. Why? If he were PM when the US invaded Iraq, he would have sent our troops over there to fight an illegal war. Call me crazy, but if we are such a soverign nation, why is Harper so bent on following what the US does? Had this happened, Canada could very well be a target or already be the victim of terrorist atttacks from exteremists...think I'm crazy, look at King's Crossing bombings in England. The taxing of income trusts which he vowed never to do....then when against one of his major platform promises http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9mibZYpVPY
All of budget cuts his government won were at the expense of other important social programs, he raised income taxes, increased child tax credits which do nothing for the poorest families which are below taxable income levels. The Conservatives tried to bankrupt every other politcal party by cutting the public subsidies for all opposition parties. These broken promises, and the lack of an economic plan are the main reasons why the opposition parties are looking at forming a coalition gov't.
Now Harper is saying that the NDP & Liberals are siding with the "seperatists". It's funny how when Stockwell Day was leading the Conservatives that both parts had drafted a "working relationship" (same as coalition) letter before the election in 2000. Gilles Duceppe, the Bloc leader, remembered this agreement in the media this week, while Stockwell Day completely denied this when his name was on the drafted letter. The agreement was never eventually signed.
It's really tough to see what is really happening in the House of Commons from out West, but after enough bold face lies and broken promises by the imcumbent, something had to be done. Harper is to blame more than anyone, he has now alienated Quebec and is running his party by way of fear mongering. Sure, Stephan Dion has all the public eloquence of Porky the Pig, but he would be running an alliance opposition governemnt which recieved 62% of the federal votes then step down once a new leader of the Liberals is appointed. I would have rather seen this happen, than have our governemnt take a 7 week vacation while the country and worlds economy is in the most uncertain time in history. Every leader's lack of willingness to cooperate is to blame for this situation.
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Toyman,
the previous Liberal government was so MUCH better ::)
As you said, that 'deal' was NEVER signed.
The coalition was willing to give the Bloq the final POWER...no thanks!
Maybe its time for a new leader but i will stake this country's future on PC.
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couple things guys first off, if you look at the NAFTA (north american free trade agreement) its Chretien's signature thats on it...... Tories created and got tossed out of office for it. then it got passed into legislation. also, while I the Harper Gov't has done some VERY dumb things (as has been statd here, income trusts, etc) we have to keep in mind, he ran a minorty gov't longer than any other inCanadian history, and unfortunately, passed more legislation as a MINORITY Govt' than the previous Liberals as a MAJORITY.......... (I won't even touch on the millions squandered in scandals) some broken lies, sure, its a gov't they all do; but he dropped GST as he said he would and some other social programs as well. whether you like it or not, he had outlined plans and passed them with a minority gov't......
As far as economic plan, i'd like to hear one; the NDP and Liberal coalition kept yelling for auto sector bailout money etc etc....... turns out, GM needs some cash, and Ford and Dodge need credit lines just in 'case'............ i personally, i think its better to have some sort of business plan in place when public money will be allocated to struggling companies...... tossing 30B at problems without knowing what needs to be done is dumb. the budget comes out in january..... i think REsponsible gov't can wait that long (more than 6 weeks at least after an election) before overthrowing..... then, if they can't work it out, vote em out, i'm all for it.....
as far as the coalition is concerned; John Manley has officially called for Dion to step down as leader.... again..... and i wonder, if the coalition was so strong and such a good idea, how come Ignatieff and Rae and the others looking to take over for the Liberals all backed out of leading a coalition????? i'm sure its not cause they all believe Dion can run the country.....
sorry for the rant.... i'm gonna go break something on my jeep now
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I was here for NEP Fred. We packed up and moved home to Nova Scotia shortly after.
I was here for BM's GST too, and know that Canadians have paid far more in GST then the NEP ever cost.
And now Harpers Trust Ruling and inability to address world economy.
Followed by steady Eddy's royalty regime.
It doesnt matter what colors they fly. If they are crooked, stupid, or liars that dont follow through. They need to be gone.
Still, never ceases to amaze me how strongly albertans hang on to the NEP that was almost 30 years ago when they is so much other crap that has screwed Canadians and Albertans since then that weighs just as heavy.
I dont support the coalition, thats not the canadian way. But I understand why people are fumed. Harper needs to be gone. Never should have back in the first place. Im sure if Dion wasnt such a boob, he wouldnt be.
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Looks like the new coalition government had a quick photo shot with thier uncle before they took a breather for the Christmas season.
Sorry couldn't resist, but you have to admit they deserve it. ;)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v461/gun/boysnuncle21.jpg)
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Billy I guess why NEP is stuck in the craw of Albertans is that it was a direct attack on Alberta and the oil sector.
Not only did it kill the oil sector but everything else in not only Alberta, but Canada. Remember the whole country went into a recession that took years to get out of. I am a firm believer that the west is the true economic power base in Canada. Yes I'm choked at Harper and crew for what they have done to the energy trusts, I lost a P-pot of cash in that fiassco and it's really left our energy sector open to forgien takeover. Eddy's royalty regime was by far the stupidest thing I've ever seen. You wannna change the royalty regime make sure your neibours are doing the same.
I don't like any politician, but G.D. I don't want to go through the 80's again, that was painful.
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Couldnt agree more Fred.
Although sadly, NEP or not, I dont think the feds will ever stop pillaging alberta to fund the other provinces. Whats quebecs tab at now? 17 billion? Just silly.
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I hate to say it but we would be better off without them.
Did you see Newfoundland is going to run a budget surplus - first ime- I think.