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General Forums => Chit-Chat => Topic started by: Spinalguy on October 31, 2009, 11:22:17 AM
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Mass Hysteria. i have spent countless hours researching whether i should or should not get the vaccine. Whenever i went to Government sites like Alberta, Ontario and Canada, i was told that i should get it, its safe and effective. Its a lot of 'fluff' with no substance.
On my site i have many resourced and validated information regarding the Pandemic and the H1N1 vaccine.
i still was not satisfied...its great info but i really wanted the actual vaccine information from the manufacturer.
Last night was payday! i was given the 24 page pdf file of the actual vaccine being used in Canada.
Lets clear up some media information. The vaccine is not from Germany but from Quebec.
There has been ZERO testing of this actual vaccine on ANY HUMAN or animal.
They have tested a 'mock' vaccine H5N1 on 3500 Healthy Adults between 18 and 60. They followed them for adverse reactions for a period of SEVEN days post inoculation.
Keep in mind that the manufacturer states that the vaccine does not even become effective until TWENTY-ONE days following injection.
There is Thimersol and Squalene in every vaccine.
They have no evidence or testing of any kind on EVERY target group. NONE!!!!!
Here are some highlights:
There is currently limited clinical experience with Arepanrix™ H1N1, and limited clinical experience with an investigational formulation of another AS03-adjuvanted vaccine containing the same or a slightly higher amount of antigen derived from A/California/7/2009 (H1N1) (see section Pharmacodynamics) in healthy adults aged 18-60 years and no clinical experience yet in the elderly, in children or in adolescents. The decision to use Arepanrix™ H1N1 in each age group defined below should take into account the extent of the clinical data available with a version of the vaccine containing H5N1 antigen and the disease characteristics of the current influenza pandemic.
i like this too:
Adults aged 18-60 years: One dose of 0.5mL at an elected date. The need for a second dose is currently unknown.
and this:
Elderly (>60 years): No clinical data are available for Arepanrix™ H1N1 in this age group.
and this:
Children and adolescents aged 10-17 years: No clinical data are available for any influenza vaccines with AS03 in this age group.
and this: what does limited mean?
Children aged 3-9 years: Based on limited clinical data available for AS03-adjuvanted H5N1 vaccine containing 3.75 ?g HA derived from A/Vietnam/1194/2004 in this age group, 0.25mL of vaccine (i.e. half of the adult dose) at an elected date and a second dose administered at least three weeks later may be considered sufficient.
and this:
Children aged from 6-35 months: No clinical data are available for influenza vaccines with AS03 in this age group.
and this:
Children aged less than 6 months: Vaccination is not currently recommended in this age group.
CONTRAINDICATIONS:
Pediatric: There is very limited experience with AS03-adjuvanted H5N1 vaccine in children between 3 and 9 years of age, and no experience in children less than 3 years of age or in children and adolescents between 10 and 17 years of age.
Pregnancy and Lactation
No data have been generated in pregnant women with Arepanrix™ H1N1 nor with the prototype AS03 adjuvanted H5N1 vaccine.
No data are available on the concomitant administration of Arepanrix™ H1N1 with other vaccines, including seasonal trivalent influenza vaccines. Such data are in development, and this document will be amended to include them as soon as available. However, if co-administration with another vaccine is indicated, immunization should be carried out on separate limbs. It should be noted that the adverse reactions may be intensified.
The good stuff. Evidence based studies carried out on 3500 people and studied for 7 days only:
[COLOR=orange"]Adults: Clinical studies have evaluated the incidence of adverse reactions listed below in approximately 3,500 subjects 18 years old and above who received Influenza Virus Vaccine containing A/Indonesia/05/2005 (Arepanrix™ H5N1) with at least 3.75 ?g HA/AS03.
The reactogenicity of vaccination was solicited by collecting adverse events using standardized forms for 7 consecutive days following vaccination with Arepanrix™ H5N1 or placebo (i.e., Day 0 to Day 6).[/COLOR]
No numbers on this but here are the common DISORDERS from this vaccine(i will not enter the uncommon ones)
Blood and lymphatic system disorders
Common: lymphadenopathy
Gastrointestinal disorders
Common: nausea, diarrhoea
Skin and subcutaneous tissue disorders
Common: pruritus
General disorders and administration site conditions
Common: injection site reactions (such as bruising, pruritus, warmth)
SIDE EFFECTS :As with all medicines, AREPANRIX™ H1N1can cause side effects. The very common and common side effects are usually mild and should only last a day or two.
Very common (may occur with more than (1 in 10 doses) :
• Pain at the injection site
• Headache
• Fatigue
• Redness or swelling at the injection site
• Shivering
• Sweating
• Aching muscles, joint pain
Common (may occur with up to 1 in 10 doses) :
• Reactions at the injection site such as bruising, itching and warmth
• Fever
• Swollen lympth nodes
• Feeling sick, diarrhea
Uncommon (may occur with up to 1 in 100 doses) :
• Dizziness
• Generally feeling unwell
• Unusual weakness
• Vomiting, stomach pain, uncomfortable feeling in the stomach or belching after eating
• Inability to sleep
• Tingling or numbness of the hands or feet
• Shortness of breath
• Pain in the chest
• Itching, rash
• Pain in the back or neck, stiffness in the muscles, muscle spasms, pain in extremity such as leg or hand
Rare (may occur with up to 1 in 1000 doses) : Put this in perspective. if 1/2 get vaccinated in Calgary, there will be 500 Rare reactions :o
• Allergic reactions leading to a dangerous decrease of blood pressure, which, if untreated, may lead to shock. Doctors are aware of this possibility and have emergency treatment available for use in such cases
• Fits
• Severe stabbing or throbbing pain along one or more nerves
• Low blood platelet count which can result in bleeding or bruising
Very Rare (may occur with up to 1 in 10,000 doses):
• Vasculitis (inflammation of the blood vessels which can cause skin rashes, joint pain and kidney problems)
• Neurological disorders such as encephalomyelitis (inflammation of the central nervous system), neuritis (inflammation of nerves) and a type of paralysis known a Guillain-Barré Syndrome
i have much more info if you want on my website under H1N1 info.
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Serious Warnings and Precautions
Advise your doctor or nurse immediately if you experience these reactions shortly after receiving your injection:
• body rash
• tightness in the throat
• shortness of breath
INGREDIENTS: Thimerosal, sodium chloride, disodium hydrogen phosphate, potassium dihydrogen phosphate, potassium chloride, water for injections. The drug substance contains trace residual amounts of egg proteins, formaldehyde, sodium deoxycholate and sucrose.
Adjuvant emulsion vial: squalene, sodium chloride, disodium hydrogen phosphate, potassium dihydrogen phosphate, potassium chloride, water for injections.
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Maybe you can post the link to that file?
And everyone keeps saying that it is mass hysteria.....what is? The fact that people should get the vaccine, or that there is an actual flu?
I keep hearing that there is no actual H1N1, and it is "just a flu"....and everyday we are sending kids who came to school healthy, home by lunch who are puking with a fever over 100+.
I have no training or expertise to comment on the vaccine, but there is definitely a bad flu strain going around.
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I am really sick of everything to do with H1N1 and the overload of missinformation out there. I personally know several people here have gotten H1N1 and lived through it, no vaccine. But I have a 2.5 yr old and a yr old at home to think about. How the hell are we suppose to decide what is safe for our children? Who are we supposed to trust?
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Like my siblings in health care have told me....read up on it and make your own choice. Look where you get the information from. Reading something on someone's blog doesn't count for crap.
Which is why I asked Tom to post the link...simply copying and pasting it on a web forum doesn't give it credibility, whereas if the link to a government medical site or such is listed, people will take it much more seriously. :)
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The mass hysteria is the media telling everyone to get vaccinated right now. The media telling everyone their is a shortage. The media NOT redaing the insert that shows how absolutely crazy this vaccine is with no testing of the ACTUAL vaccine. Yes, H5N1 was tested on 3500 healthy adults for 7 days.
Yes, there was a california "like" vaccine tetsed on about 120 pregnant women, kids, toddlers, infants, etc but it was "like" the vaccine.
That's like saying. "here i have a Granny smith apple and a Macintosh apple, they are the same"
Who should you trust? Trust the vaccine manufacturer. The above highlights are from them. Read them carefully.
Here is a link to the full pdf file (its at the bottom of the info)
And let me ask you all a question.
The government in general (PC Alberta and Federal politics) do you trust them?
So, do you trust the Health branch of the government more?
Here you go:
http://www.spinalguy.com/id47.html (http://www.spinalguy.com/id47.html)
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Like my siblings in health care have told me....read up on it and make your own choice. Look where you get the information from. Reading something on someone's blog doesn't count for crap.
Which is why I asked Tom to post the link...simply copying and pasting it on a web forum doesn't give it credibility, whereas if the link to a government medical site or such is listed, people will take it much more seriously. :)
The stuff i posted is from the MANUFACTURER of the vaccine.
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The stuff i posted is from the MANUFACTURER of the vaccine.
Great...can you post THAT link?
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Great...can you post THAT link?
do you read much :D
Its there above you. follow the trail, you'll get to it. :)
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do you read much :D
Why? Because I'm not in medicine, I'm illiterate? :D
Its there above you. follow the trail, you'll get to it. :)
On your website...I found it, thanks. :)
http://www.gsk.ca/english/docs-pdf/Arepanrix_PIL_CAPA01v01.pdf
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this is exactly what I mean.
Anything that disputed the safeness of the vaccine, people cry, "where did you get that info. It's not a good source."
Anything pro vaccine can be tied back to government and government agencies that profit from it and "do you trust the goverment?"
I have had different doctors tell me completely different things to my face. One says vaccine is safe and it's our duty to get it to protect our children. The next one tells me there's no way he or his family are taking it untill he sees proof that it is safe and actually works.
WTF.
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So now you have information posted right from the manufacturer....info that states it wasn't tested, or not in large tests.
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So now you have information posted right from the manufacturer....info that states it wasn't tested, or not in large tests.
yep, and that's the second PDF file I've received this week, and they're both different.
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yep, and that's the second PDF file I've received this week, and they're both different.
From the manufacturer?
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nevermind here's the first one I got, it's for H5N1
http://preventdisease.com/news/pdf/GSK_Pandemrix_2008.pdf
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An interesting video from the 1976 swine flu outbreak.
http://www.youtube.com/v/AClvfXuCvoE
http://www.youtube.com/v/ayv3Q0XIfv4
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great info Tom thanks. jamey, nic vids. all these links are awesome for people who arej still waiting to make an 'informed decision'
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Why? Because I'm not in medicine, I'm illiterate? :D
On your website...I found it, thanks. :)
http://www.gsk.ca/english/docs-pdf/Arepanrix_PIL_CAPA01v01.pdf
i just wanted to pimp my site.lol.
And i have a lot of well resourced and cited material from Medically peer reviewed journals, FDA and CDC.
It can be found right here:
http://www.spinalguy.com/id47.html (http://www.spinalguy.com/id47.html)
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sorry to hear that. I hope she gets better quickly.
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i just wanted to pimp my site.lol.
And i have a lot of well resourced and cited material from Medically peer reviewed journals, FDA and CDC.
It can be found right here:
http://www.spinalguy.com/id47.html (http://www.spinalguy.com/id47.html)
Thanks for the info Tom. :)
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Thanks for the info
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being kind of cynical, and getting more in to the whole conspiracy thing. This is my theory. hahaha
There is H1N1 out there, several kids at the local high school have been confirmed, there have been a few deaths, no where near as many as the regular everyday influenza.
The mass hysteria has been created by the gov't to test the health system, can a major pandemic be controlled? if mass vaccinations are req'd, for a future issue, can the health system handle it ? how long is the average Joe public willing to stand in line for when he perceives an actual health concern. nd so on..
will I have a vaccination? no. my daughters ?, I have let them decide, they are old enough, they both decided No. Mywife thought about it, then saw the line ups and decided not to.
If the vacine works, then the people that have been vaccinated will slow down the transmission of the disease. If it's dangerous then they will be the guinea pigs, and they will have health issues, then they will get rich from the lawsuit against the manufacturer and gov't. Or maybe (since it's halloween) they will turn in to zombies and I can get in some target practice. ;D
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Or maybe (since it's halloween) they will turn in to zombies and I can get in some target practice. ;D
Dude! I thought I was the only one waiting for the moving targets to start appearing. ;D
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The hype is about fear.
Scared people want to find out more about what is scaring them so that they can be less scared. But their source of information (the media) doesn't profit from people being less scared - they profit from fear which causes more people to want information.
So they distribute information with a spin that will induce more fear because it's in their best financial interests to do so.
If we do see another pandemic on a scale and with the severity of 1918, can you imagine the number of deaths that will be caused not be disease but by media-induced panic?
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The hype is about fear.
Scared people want to find out more about what is scaring them so that they can be less scared. But their source of information (the media) doesn't profit from people being less scared - they profit from fear which causes more people to want information.
So they distribute information with a spin that will induce more fear because it's in their best financial interests to do so.
If we do see another pandemic on a scale and with the severity of 1918, can you imagine the number of deaths that will be caused not be disease but by media-induced panic?
agreed , thanks for the info and link Tom
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So now, with this mass media and government induced fear to get everyone imunized, you could spread the flu even further and faster by having a bunch of people out there being carriers and not even being aware of it. Face it, they could get exposed to it then hop right onto the LRT system and off to work they go. At least with flu type systems they would stay at home, knowing they are infested.
I've choosen not to get it because personally I think we're setting ourselves up for weaker generations down the road by not allowing our bodies to strengthen our own immune systems. I also don't work in an enclosed in your face type of atmosphere.
My wife has choosen to get it, but only if she can get it at a place of her choice, and with no line ups. She rides the LRT, and works in an office so is exposed to crammed situations all the time. No matter what direction people cough in those situations they are going to spray someone around them.
Hope everyone has a healthy, happy, safe flu season. :)
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Its a long one but well worth the read. Many sources at the bottom.
http://www.spinalguy.com/id58.html (http://www.spinalguy.com/id58.html)
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As an interesting note... me and my wife received a letter from Alberta Health yesterday, asking if we would be interested in participating in a long-term study with our 1 year old son and the H1N1 vaccination........ I think we will pass, I don't like the idea of giving my kids something and see what happens down the road.
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As an interesting note... me and my wife received a letter from Alberta Health yesterday, asking if we would be interested in participating in a long-term study with our 1 year old son and the H1N1 vaccination........ I think we will pass, I don't like the idea of giving my kids something and see what happens down the road.
That scares the heck out of me. No testing of this vaccine, lets give it to millions and than lets do a safety evaluation after wards.
i would love to see that letter.
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They must be running a little short of ferrets and test monkeys.
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As an interesting note... me and my wife received a letter from Alberta Health yesterday, asking if we would be interested in participating in a long-term study with our 1 year old son and the H1N1 vaccination........ I think we will pass, I don't like the idea of giving my kids something and see what happens down the road.
I think I had that letter too!
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I will check for it when I get home... can scan it and send to you if it didn't go into the recycling.
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too funny, I just finished the last post and was flicking thru some XM talk radio and heard this comment:
"the only difference between the Nazi's and our current governments is that we are still looking for volunteers to do our testing on. Lets hope the uninformed public continus to provide the bodies for their medical testing"
A little harsh, but maybe not completely untrue in this case.
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And again.....just because we need a laugh:
(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/77627/original.jpg)
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Ok I got a scanned copy of the letter, but it wasn't for the H1N1, it was for the MMR shots etc. (measles mumps rubella) I wonder why they need to do a study on the effects of these shots now, unless they have changed the formulas? Anyhow, Tom... I'll send you a copy of the letter to your email.
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I think getting the shots or having the shots for your children is an individual choice. However, this thread seems to be waited on the negative side. I think some opposing view points need to be put forward for consideration .
I trust the many health experts with our federal government and belive that they did not make the decision lightly in offering this vaccine for distribution. A lot of individuals with very advanced skills and knowledge made this decision and I do not believe in conspiracies. I also trust the family doctor I consulted who recommended the shots for my kids.
There are risks with anything and it comes down to probabilities. What are the risks from the vaccine vs. the risk from the flue? Yes, I acknowledge there are risk form any vaccine but I feel they are minimal and not life threatening. Risk from this flue in our home I felt was substantial. Two of my three children I would consider high risk, one has a history of respiratory problems the second, due to other medication, has very low body fat. I felt both were at high risk if they had to fight a severe case of H1N1. The question came down to facing the risk of the vaccine vs. facing the risk of losing a child to this virus. Yes, peoples children are dying from it! Not all and not most but some and as a parent you do think about what if one of my kids is the one of those cases. Based on that information I decided to stand in line for 5 hrs the first day of the inoculations and had all three kids and myself vaccinated. A very well spent 5 hrs. No the line up was not fun with three kids but we made the best of it. The vaccine takes a long time to give maximum immunity but it does build with time. The sooner you get it the sooner you start to build immunity. I now feel that I have done everything in my power to protect my children from something that could be life threatening. The 5 hours spent has given me a lot of peace of mind of less worrying about this flue.
Make your own choices but consider the possibilities of not having the shot and if you get this flue who’s child, parent or loved one you may expose to it and how well will they fight it off.
Just my 2 cents worth.
http://www.montrealgazette.com/health/Evan+death+puts+human+face+H1N1/2174408/story.html
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Blair, :)
What is in this thread is well resourced, researched and scientifically validated info. i have provided no fluff or emotional stuff.
Have you read what is offered on my site?
It is a choice but because a newspaper or government website tells you to do it, that makes it a valid demand? Let me put it to you differently Blair.
1/do you 100% trust the government at the City, Provincial and Federal levels?
2/ same question but now enetr Health directives from the same government in question 1/ ?
If you take the time to read the info Blair, you will see a glaring documented lie. Go to the Calgary Sun's editorial on Nov 2, 2009.
http://www.calgarysun.com/comment/editorial/2009/11/02/11601801-sun.html (http://www.calgarysun.com/comment/editorial/2009/11/02/11601801-sun.html) In that article, it states,
"David Butler-Jones, Canada's Chief Public Health Officer, notes the risk of experiencing severe side effects after receiving the shot is one in a million. "
Now go to Health Canada's site to see what they put that number at 1 in 100,000. Tell me how long and far you need to search to get that data.
Now on the same site is the product insert.http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/dhp-mps/prodpharma/legislation/interimorders-arretesurgence/prodinfo-vaccin-eng.php#info (http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/dhp-mps/prodpharma/legislation/interimorders-arretesurgence/prodinfo-vaccin-eng.php#info)
Go to the section regarding Consumer info. Tell me what # the MAKER of the vaccine puts the risk at?
hint...1 in TEN THOUSAND.
Do you see a disconnect?
Blair, read my site material. It is only biased towards supplying you with what the media and government is not supplying you with. At least read the entire product insert. After all, that is what they are putting in you.
i also would read the mom and child stuff off my site.
At the end of the day, its about gathering info to make the best decision. Think about all your jeep modifications. Did you buy the types of mods based on a manufacturers website TELLING you it is the best lift kit? or did you do some research? ;)
Thanks.
Make an informed decision.
And to anyone that is sick, i hope you recover soon. :)
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Blair, it can never be an easy life making choices for your own kids. Especially if they have underlying problems. You do the best you can and hope it turns out well. :)
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I just read about a girl in the US who ended up with Dynomia or something as a result of the vaccine...Neurological damage, troubles speaking and walking now..
Granted we see these "bad news scenarios" more and more, but also keep in mind the number of trouble free vaccines that occur each day?
I don't care, not getting the shot, don't have a kid...Not concerned myself, but those of you with kids, this is a VERY tough descision to make
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I grew up close to Ottawa. Some of my friends had parents with careers in the federal civil service, and I also served in the reserves with men who had "civilian" jobs as federal civil servants.
I saw the level of careerism, CYA, and "make yourself look good by making those next to you look bad" that occurs throughout the civil service. While I may abide by the policies handed down, and agree with (and follow) some of the government's advice, I have NO faith in government agencies.
If you choose to immunize your family, that is your choice. But be aware that the distribution of the vaccine is not driven by medical science...it is driven by popular demand. Politicians NEED to keep their electorate happy, because a politician's goal in life is to get re-elected and continue riding the gravy train. When you combine this with an electorate that has been whipped into a fearful state by a media that is driven by financial self-interest, you get politicians that feel a pathological need to be seen to do something...such as cause a vaccine to be distributed.
The fact that their masters are elected means that the bureaucrats that make up health canada understand that they need to respond to the moods of the electorate - sometimes without elected "whip hand" ever having to move.
I'm not going to spin a yarn about the vaccine being some sort of zionist Obama-driven socialist conspiracy to implant microchips and implement mind control. That sort of paranoia is more amusing than anything else. My opinions are based on what I have seen and what I have learned...not what I've read on the interwebs.
Do the research and make your own decision...but do not blindly follow the herd, assuming that "the powers that be" know best. If you do that, you may end up in the same boat as the thousands of other people that have been betrayed by western health care systems. Thalidomide, anyone?
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I agree it does come down to a personal decision, however, I believe that the government has done every thing it can (intentionally or un-intentionally) to confuse and mislead the public about the vaccine.
They panicked everyone into thinking they needed it now, but when they couldn't deliver it now, it became fine to wait 3 months.
They shut down clinics do to concerns over shortages and shipped excess vaccines out of the country.
They complain that there is to much misleading information and myths about the vaccine, but they have yet to provide a consistent message, or even the same information that the company manufacturing the vaccine provides.
At the end of the day there are two facts that you can guarantee; a) the government won't do or say anything unless it makes them popular at that moment in time, all mistakes and crew-ups can either be spun or it becomes the next governments problem to clean-up, and b) there is a substantial amount of money to be made and those people making the money will do everything they can to protect thier interests.
I do not believe there is any more significant risk to my health than there would be from any other vaccine, however, I do not believe that as a healthy person I am any greater risk of dying from not getting the vaccine than if I did. My biggest concern is that if by some tiny chance that the decision to rush the vaccine to market caused a serious mistake that put my health at risk, I do not believe that I could trust the government to stop blaming each other long enough to help those who have been harmed by their actions.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3XlJB7J5-o&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3XlJB7J5-o&feature=related)
Please watch and learn what 1 MD is speaking out about in the US to the NYS assembly, this is part 1, there are 3, follow the links. Please listen to those that do their research, like Spinalguy, good job Dr. Tom. QUESTION, RESEARCH what you are told, do not take what your are told to be the truth at anytime, period.
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the more I hear, the more I read, the more I discuss this with friends, the more I get confused.
no testing on H1N1 vaccine, but vaccines have been made the same way for many years, with a dead virus in a solution.
hear stories of reactions to virus, hear stories of deaths due to H1N1.
heard about high level cdc members getting themselves and their families vaccinated whereas they usually don't bother.
heard rumors of deaths being under reported and blamed on other under lying complications, heard exactly the opposite
heard of pregnant women losing thier babies, because the virus will attack the weakest part of a person's body,
read Tom's info, I definatly have a lot of respect for his opinion.
if my daughter contracts H1N1, and dies, how will I live with myself having let her pass on the vaccine,
If I make her get innoculated and she has a reaction how will I live with myself.
Am I getting caught up in all the hype and over reacting? ( probably, )
Next pandemic will I just assume the media is just crying wolf again.
The gov't and media can't win of course. If they did nothing, then the virus became widespread then mutated and people started dropping dead in vast numbers they would be accused if doing nothing.
still undecided,
but I am starting to eat better, and trying to improve my immune sytem, trying to not get run down.And then maybe I won't get sick this season.
I was in calgary yesterday, there seemed to be alot of people hacking and coughing, or am I just being overly sensitive to it all
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.... then they will get rich from the lawsuit against the manufacturer and gov't.....
I do believe for each participating government/country, a bill was passed of "no fault" kind-of-thing for the vaccine makers/big pharm companies.
can't sue if your fam dies from the vaccine.
more food for thought
(http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk71/hampstor/IMG_0307-1.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtFsy0rQsak&feature=player_embedded
fyi: thimerasol is 49% ethyl-mercury, which the FDA deems the same risk factor as methyl-mercury
big pharm/media conspiracy?
why hasn't this made big tv news over here? this happened in Feb? pretty freakin serious stuff - creating genocide in a vaccine
cliff notes:
common flu - most contagious
bird flu - most deadly - 60% kill rate
http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009/02/27/8560781.html
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aTo3LbhcA75I
http://www.prisonplanet.com/accidental-contamination-of-vaccine-with-live-avian-flu-virus-virtually-impossible.html
http://joerobertson.com/liberty/avian-swine-flu-created-in-lab-who-benefits
interesting video - very long
http://vimeo.com/7298827
all just food for thought
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Ian,
i agree. It is tough. Yesterdays headline blares out "5 more Dead". But when you go to the story, one sentence, yes, just one
reads, 'all 5 had underlying complications'.
i hate the media. They have made this a frenzy. Their reporting is not even professional.
Examples:
Reported that vaccine is effective in 10d. Product insert states 21d.
Reported that a dead vaccine is a dead vaccine...low risk. Truth is the OTHER ingredients of any vaccine that makes it so different.
Editorial on Nov 2nd in the Sun http://www.calgarysun.com/comment/editorial/2009/11/02/11601801-sun.html (http://www.calgarysun.com/comment/editorial/2009/11/02/11601801-sun.html)
states this,
David Butler-Jones, Canada's Chief Public Health Officer, notes the risk of experiencing severe side effects after receiving the shot is one in a million.
Now go to Health Canada and find out ...what the ACTUAL product insert states that the rarest reaction may occur 1 in 10,000 doses.
You have to scroll to the bottom of the drug insert to find it...http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/dhp-mps/prodpharma/legislation/interimorders-arretesurgence/prodinfo-vaccin-eng.php#info (http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/dhp-mps/prodpharma/legislation/interimorders-arretesurgence/prodinfo-vaccin-eng.php#info)
This is a HUGE disconnect for the TOP DOC in the country to be stating 1 in a million on a drug that sits on the health canada site that says otherwise (1 in ten thousand.)
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Ian,
i agree. It is tough. Yesterdays headline blares out "5 more Dead". But when you go to the story, one sentence, yes, just one
reads, 'all 5 had underlying complications'.
i hate the media. They have made this a frenzy. Their reporting is not even professional.
i;ve hear a lot of 'dying from complications of H1N1'
what does that mean? is it like 'dying form complications of a car accident'? WTF?
i love reading all the info etc. and listening to the arguments; its enjoyable.
here's what i know. i got it last week;
i took almost a week of work off.
i went to PNP, i worked on my jeep.
i slept alot.
in the end..... i was sick, and all i needed was some rest. not a flu shot.
maybe my immune system is kickass from something, but i was out in the cold, wrenching, and carrying on (minus work cause of the scare)
to put it in perspective, i've been at work sicker before. but paranoia sent me to pnp...............
a feel for anyone with a youngin though; tough calls to make.
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Glad to hear you're better Johnny!
As for me, I've been injected with enough 'stuff' over the years and now I have a messed-up immune system. Coincidence or cause? We'll probably never know. I'm done being a guinea pig. The way I figure, let science experiment on those willing to stand in line for 6 hours because they believe man is smarter than Mother Nature.
Last time I checked she had several million years experience. We have a little less than that.
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I had my "flu" scare this last week. Felt dead tired on Sunday, sick Sunday night, sick Monday, ate a pack of Advil Cold medicine on Monday. All better Tuesday ;D
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Glad to hear you're better Johnny!
As for me, I've been injected with enough 'stuff' over the years and now I have a messed-up immune system. Coincidence or cause? We'll probably never know. I'm done being a guinea pig. The way I figure, let science experiment on those willing to stand in line for 6 hours because they believe man is smarter than Mother Nature.
Last time I checked she had several million years experience. We have a little less than that.
you know i think the same way. i figure, i've always fought off regular flu; this probably won't be different. i was wrong though. regular flu, if i'm not back a day later i get in crap............ this time i got a whole week off work; fantastic. i mean i slept a lot but hey, not complainin
i'm also a relatively healthy individual; i eat right, exercise etc. so illness doesn't scare me that much. i also don't buy the media buildup of 'heatlthy people at risk' etc.... goes back to that 'complications' BS.............. media scare....... same thing
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Just a few of my observations and beliefs:
Swine flu (H1N1) is a new virus, the medical community is learning about it as they are having to react to it, differing unrelated groups of people seem to be affected and this has led to changes in strategy and information disseminated to the public. This change in information causes the public to question the accuracy of all information given out. The seasonal flu kills far more people than Swine flu has, most of those people have underlying medical conditions that leave them vulnerable to any flu. Swine flu for the vast majority of people will be no worse than the regular flu. You won't know if the flu you have is Swine unless you get tested, you won't get tested unless you are quite ill and seek medical help. The majority of people who die from Swine flu have underlying medical conditons, though some have died who have no previous medical conditions that leave them vulnerable. Influenza can lead to respiratory failure, failure to oxygenate or ventilate adequately. Failure to oxygenate appears to be the more important factor. The medical researchers, doctors and supporting infrastructure are the best resource we have to deal with any new virus or bacteria. No they are not Gods that know all and can cure all, I believe they doing the best they can, people die everyday in spite of their best efforts. The western medical system is the best medical system in the world, we're lucky to be apart of it. Yes, mistakes have been made in the past and will likely happen in the future. They're human just like you. Getting the Swine flu vaccine is a personal choice, do your research and make as informed a decision as you can given the information available which is changing as they learn about H1N1.
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Just found out my sister had it.... Had and now she's better. Didn't have the flue shot and now she doesn't need it.
Still doesn't scare me, still don't plan on getting the shot or having my kids get it. To each-his-own but getting the shot is more un-nerving than getting the flu.