Calgary Jeep Association
4x4 Related Groups => General Talk => Topic started by: PITBULL on March 09, 2010, 10:42:00 AM
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Hi
well where do i start off my name is randy live in calgary and just bought my first jeep ever
its a 1994 jeep yj 4.0l inline 6 everything is stock on it
now what i plan to do in the next 2 months is
4 inch leaf spring lift
spring over axel
3 inch body lift
35 or 36 inch tires
for the engine
snorkle
if there is a chip out there would like more info
underpully kit
does anyone know someboady that will do a spring over axel swap for me will pay cash ..
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Hey Randy
Welcome!
Good luck with the modifications. Sounds like your going so big right away? Any upgrades planed to the axels, what gearing does the jeep have and what diffs? That’s a lot of tire and if they are stock diffs you will need to have some big $ spent on upgrades to handle the stress.
Lots of guys build slowly over time. Don’t know what your 4x4 background is, you said it was your first jeep. Lots of club members wheel on much smaller tires for a few years to build experience. Jeeps on 31” and 33” inch tires can be quite capable and less costly to maintain. Your welcome to come out to a club meeting. They are the 3rd Wed of each month. There is never a shortage of guys at the meetings to offer advise and other jeeps to look over and see what mods they have.
Cheers,
Blair
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see i dont know alot about 4x4ing and the gear and axel thing had no idea i need to do anything to them to get big tires wow
so on stock axels and gears 33 x12.5 will work ?
i want a rig that i have to jump up in to really thats all im looking for but also to be able to go play in the moutains
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Hi
well where do i start off my name is randy live in calgary and just bought my first jeep ever
its a 1994 jeep yj 4.0l inline 6 everything is stock on it
now what i plan to do in the next 2 months is
4 inch leaf spring lift
spring over axel
3 inch body lift
35 or 36 inch tires
for the engine
snorkle
if there is a chip out there would like more info
underpully kit
does anyone know someboady that will do a spring over axel swap for me will pay cash ..
First post?
And on a tuesday to boot.............lol
Al, find this guys ip :):)
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i do something wrong by posting on a tuesday
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lol yes.
welcome!
love the YJs, they rule ;)
33s is a great starting platform. you can clear them easily with just a 4" spring under lift like a rubicon express or rough country. fairly cheap, and is a GREAT way to start, and then you can see what you'd like to mod, etc from there. you can always add a body lift to clear 35s later you won't need to go spring over; 4" springs and a spring over would give youa 10" lift. that in itself will not work. trust me.
stick to a simple build plan, wheel it and enjoy it!
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10" inch is to much ? im guessing roll over alot easier well if i where to put this toghter
4 inch lift
3 inch body
and shackle
and 33inch tires
will that be and look big enough where i need to step up in to it ? does anyone have pics of something like this ?
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Hey Pittbull I have a 4.5 inch RE lift on my Jeep TJ with 33 x 12.5 tires and that is plenty big enough. I am 6'6" tall and I find it tall enough.
Blair was right about the gearing. After I did my lift I lost my 5th gear until I upgraded to 4:56 gears.
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well thats good its tall enough im not 6'6 lol only 6'0
mines an automatic does this matter
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see i dont know alot about 4x4ing and the gear and axel thing had no idea i need to do anything to them to get big tires wow
so on stock axels and gears 33 x12.5 will work ?
i want a rig that i have to jump up in to really thats all im looking for but also to be able to go play in the moutains
Most in the club are into off-road use, not just for looks pavement princess. If you really want to get into this hobby take it slow. Try out a few stocker runs see if you like it. The bigger you go the more costly it is to build and maintain your rig. Lots of good people here with good advise. Take your time get to know some club members and plan what you want to use your rig for. Take it slow and have fun.
Come out to a meeting and see some of the rigs.
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I wanna take it slow but worried i would get flammed if i showed up in a stock rig
i know i love 4x4ing my dad takes me when we go hunting and stuff like that
i want a jeep that looks nice in the city but comes to life on the trails kinda best of both worlds type thing
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There are a ton of stock Jeeps that go out. During the summer there are stocker runs just about every weekend. Its amazing what a stock Jeep can do. You would be blown away once you see your bone stock jeep out on the trail.
I go out with the stock Jeeps all the time because I am new and want to gain experience and take it slow and learn as much as I can. Everywhere I go most of the stock jeeps go too.
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I wanna take it slow but worried i would get flammed if i showed up in a stock rig
i know i love 4x4ing my dad takes me when we go hunting and stuff like that
i want a jeep that looks nice in the city but comes to life on the trails kinda best of both worlds type thing
If it is a daily driver it can still look good on 31" or 33" tires but not cost you every penny you make to keep it on the road. Lots of stockers out at meetings. Thats how you learn.
If you have not 4x4 a lot behind the wheel then learning to read the trail for smaller tires is good experience before going big and getting in over your head. The occasional comment about a small low rider jeep is all in fun. My jeep is only running 33” tires and ran 31” the first few years after going out stock on its first few runs.
Yes, I would like 35” tires but have managed to break enough parts on the 33” tires to make the last few years interesting .
Next meeting is on the 17th.
Cheers.
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dont worry about getting flamed, what does not kill you makes you stronger. plus we respect skill more than your rig, you can be a very capable stocker and not get flamed or be totaly built and have no experience and get flammed worse.
if you have front and rear tow points there is a stocker freindly run this weekend.
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ill try and make it out to the meeting.. im excited to get into 4x4ing i guess im impatient lol love to work on my car and now getting the ich to do the same to the jeep
i come from a import life style 240sx with rb 25 skyline engine and body kit aftermarket turbos really nice car and love it puts about 660 hp to the wheels ran 10.2 at the track last year but i blew a shift could be faster
any ways enought about that where does everyone go and meet up befor hand
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i don't mean to ask so many questions but .....
with the 4" lift can you install that your self ?
like I'm smart and can install drift suspension and tune it to work so i think i can do it and from what i seen does not look that hard but looks can be deceiving lol
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The lift should just be as easy as putting new leafs in should it not?
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the lift isn't hard to install just remember to extend brakelines, swaybar connects, shocks etc. should even install a slip yoke eliminator(not included in kit) most lift kits should have everything you need, I would recommend the Rubicon Express lift
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NATIONAL 4X4 HAS A 4.5 INCH LEAF LIFT WITH EVERYTHING FOR UNDER 600$ AND Rubicon Express lift IS OVER 1200 $
ITS SAYS 8"/BS=4-4.5 Required WHAT DOES THIS MEAN ? AND WHAT DO I HAVE TO DO TO GET THIS DONE ?
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When ever you change you change one thing on your jeep you often have to change atleast one other aspect in order to make it livable/reliable/ drivable
For example if you get a 4" lift and 33" tires you should also upgrade the following
T case drop or Slip yoke eliminator ( Your drive shaft too short for a lift)
"ITS SAYS 8"/BS=4-4.5 Required" = You need new rims to fit the bigger tires (so you don't rub when you turn)
Wider fender flares (its the law..I think)
Should upgrade your rear axle etc etc. (It's likely to break when wheelin although some get away with it for awhile or simply never do it)
My advice is to go on Jeepforum.com and search all your questions or just head right over to the YJ technical forum and read the sticky's etc.
Thats probably the best and quickest way to get up to speed on Jeeps.
**Usually with lift kits you get what you pay for. The $600 one probably uses lesser quality components or simply doesn't come with everything the RE kit does.**
When I bought my lift I did a direct comparison between the the Zone 3" (cheap) and the BDS 3"(expensive) turns out you when you actually compare the components each kit contains you are only paying about 60 bucks more fore the BDS name but it came with a lifetime warrenty and had superior reputation.
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Here is my input on the YJs.
First of all, listen to the other members and wheel your rig stock for a summer. Trust us, you will thank us later, especially since by the sounds of it you have no off-roading experience. Actually, you might curse us just a little, but like Pookapotmus said, but it is all in good fun. You will learn what you Jeep can and can not do, but also learn to read the trails and pick the lines that will allow your rig to make it through the obstacles. I wheeled my YJ stock for 2 years, and another year will just a suspension lift. We have all been then before. Check out the info CJA Jeep 101 course being held in June. It is a course designed to teach beginners the basic skills to offroading Jeeps.
As Blair mentioned a rig on 33s, like his or mine can be very capable and keep up with the big rigs with the right driver. A YJ with 35s and 7" of lift is a very big rig for a new driver and trust you will be wanting to change your shorts A LOT especially when you got off camber, just ask Swampsinger. I noticed a big difference even going from 31s to 33s on the off camber stuff. I daily drove my rig until a few years ago and still drive mine most days in the summer.
Now onto the mods
DO NOT BUY A CHEAP SUSPENSION LIFT, your body will thank you later. The cheap lifts tend to have stiff springs and even stiffer shocks. Do not cheap out on shocks either. If you are looking for a great starter suspension that will allow you to run 31s and eventually 33s with a few upgrades you CAN NOT beat the Old Man Emu (OME) suspension by ARB, great onroad ride and amazing flex. The downfalls are it is only a 2.5" lift and probably around $1500. My first suspension was an OME lift and I ran 31s for about 3 or 4 years and I went a lot of places especially once I got a rear locker. I then added a 1" body lift and 1"shackle lift and stepped up to 33s, and that is where it sits today. I have since replaced the OME springs with a custom set of 3.5" Alcan springs that are awesome. Great onraod and flex extremely wellGoing right into a 4" lift can lead to a bunch of issues if not done properly. As stated above, with that size of a lift, you will probably have to install a slip yoke eliminator kit because the drive shaft angle will be too steep and the joint will bind. Also brakelines are another issue. Sprung under lifts are definitel doable
As for tires, going to 33s really starts to push the limits of the stock axles in a YJ, especially the rear if you are not easy on the skinny pedal or have upgrade the parts. A good set of mud terrains is key and the actually tire will depend on the type of wheeling you like to do. Then with larger tires you are going to need to re gear the axles to maintain power and driveability.
So in closing, come on out to a few meeting, hit the trails for a couple stocker runs and really fig out what you want to do with your rig and then big it from there
If you have any questions, please ask