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Title: NICE RIG BUT SERIOUSLY!!
Post by: Shearcon79 on May 18, 2010, 08:25:16 PM
Just saw this on kijiji.  Worth the price?
sounds pretty well custom all around.  A 4.2L fuel injected?

http://calgary.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-SUVs-trucks-vans-SUV-crossover-1989-Jeep-Wrangler-W0QQAdIdZ202649613#
Title: Re: NICE RIG BUT SERIOUSLY!!
Post by: JackstandJohnny on May 18, 2010, 09:09:33 PM
pfft.

someone paid alot of money to build something and is.................. trying to pass that lack of savings onto you...............

oh, and there is no phone number to call........


i offered to trade him my YJ straight up. we'll see what he says. 5 bucks is its an 'hi thanks for lookng at my car.... its in blah blah blah' we can use ebay vehicle protection for payment................. blah blah blah
Title: Re: NICE RIG BUT SERIOUSLY!!
Post by: Vinman on May 18, 2010, 09:14:29 PM
5 bucks is its an 'hi thanks for lookng at my car.... its in blah blah blah' we can use ebay vehicle protection for payment................. blah blah blah

Nope, if it was a scam, the selling price would be 29 HUNDRED dollars.
Title: Re: NICE RIG BUT SERIOUSLY!!
Post by: Waytec on May 18, 2010, 09:15:34 PM
But it has 4 water bottle holders
Title: Re: NICE RIG BUT SERIOUSLY!!
Post by: SwampSinger on May 19, 2010, 09:55:47 AM
It's nice to dream... 29K for a 1989 Jeep...


You can get something better in the States now for 1/3 of the price.
Title: Re: NICE RIG BUT SERIOUSLY!!
Post by: hps4evr on May 19, 2010, 05:18:09 PM
cheaper then a new rubicon and you get the better square headlights ;)
Title: Re: NICE RIG BUT SERIOUSLY!!
Post by: JackstandJohnny on May 19, 2010, 10:53:42 PM
he declined my offer of the YJ trade.....

its a legit add. and he wants 30k for it.
Title: Re: NICE RIG BUT SERIOUSLY!!
Post by: BlackYJ on May 20, 2010, 07:12:16 AM
he declined my offer of the YJ trade.....

its a legit add. and he wants 30k for it.

Next time ask him if it has ever been offroaded because if it has, that knocks easy $15-20K off the price
Title: Re: NICE RIG BUT SERIOUSLY!!
Post by: i_go_commando on May 30, 2010, 10:48:02 PM
comes with 10 tires too!
Title: Re: NICE RIG BUT SERIOUSLY!!
Post by: Bnine on June 08, 2010, 01:14:00 PM
I dont see one person posting here running even half of the tech, fab or dollars that went into that jeep.

Yet I see everyone talking crap.

So you realize, for you to drop that jeep with me and have it built to those specs would run you upwards of 50k labor and parts included.

National or modern would run you into 70-80.

Not sure I see the reason behind the smack talk...........

Title: Re: NICE RIG BUT SERIOUSLY!!
Post by: Bnine on June 08, 2010, 01:19:14 PM
  A 4.2L fuel injected?


This is most likely his injection. This rig has a lot of 1000$ touches.

http://www.howellefi.com/customer/tbi-kit-1987-91-yj-wrangler-4.2l-emissions-legal.html

Title: Re: NICE RIG BUT SERIOUSLY!!
Post by: GiS on June 08, 2010, 02:15:49 PM


I went online and got a few ballpark prices for some of the parts the rig is running, most of these quotes are just rough estimates so please keep that in mind. Also I wasn't able to find any option I could select in my online shopping cart that would make these parts install themselves?

Coilovers all around $2k
Swaybars $600
Tires - $1500
Rims $1000
Winch - $800
Seats - $1000
Dana 44's, with full re-work - $2000
Re-worked D300 with 4:1 - $1200

Check out this ad, can you believe it? The guy wants $40,000 for a 1956!! What an idiot eh?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Stunning-1956-Corvette-/300434148255?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item45f3454b9f (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Stunning-1956-Corvette-/300434148255?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item45f3454b9f)
Title: Re: NICE RIG BUT SERIOUSLY!!
Post by: fug on June 08, 2010, 03:14:18 PM
We should never post up the real prices for a build... it makes me sad :P :P :P   Just thinking of the cash sitting on jackstands in my garage!
Title: Re: NICE RIG BUT SERIOUSLY!!
Post by: Sugarphreak on June 08, 2010, 04:16:53 PM
We should never post up the real prices for a build... it makes me sad :P :P :P   Just thinking of the cash sitting on jackstands in my garage!

I remember hearing somehwere that you get a return of about 0.20 cents for every dollar you invest into your vehicle (provided it is done right).

That rings about true on cars/jeeps I have modified and then sold later on... yeah, it makes me sad  :'(
Title: Re: NICE RIG BUT SERIOUSLY!!
Post by: Spinalguy on June 08, 2010, 04:19:01 PM
I dont see one person posting here running even half of the tech, fab or dollars that went into that jeep.

Yet I see everyone talking crap.

So you realize, for you to drop that jeep with me and have it built to those specs would run you upwards of 50k labor and parts included.

National or modern would run you into 70-80.

Not sure I see the reason behind the smack talk...........



i didn't know you were a diehard Flyers fan???? You are as grumpy as i am this week. ;)

Unfortunately, as you know, it doesn't matter what is into it, its what it is worth to someone buying it. My rubi was well over 50 and i took 27.
Sad.
Also, if you visit Pirate, some SICK rigs, better built, can be had for less (as you know).
If the owner of that jeep was on this site, i doubt any comments would have been made.
:)
Title: Re: NICE RIG BUT SERIOUSLY!!
Post by: Rich99 on June 08, 2010, 06:54:36 PM
That is approximately $12K that you have listed and lets say another $12K on top for things you didn't list. $24K. Say another $5k for the base jeep (is that too low for a clean 89?) and you are at $29k and his asking price.

I am sure there would be another $20k invested in labor at least but I would guess this guy did a lot himself.

If you were looking to build this from scratch it might be worth it.

How about this one? There is some amazing work in this as well for $19,500. CDN

http://cgi.ebay.ca/Jeep-CJ_W0QQitemZ270588040780QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item3f004dd64c
Title: Re: NICE RIG BUT SERIOUSLY!!
Post by: Sugarphreak on June 08, 2010, 09:53:17 PM
How about this one? There is some amazing work in this as well for $19,500. CDN

http://cgi.ebay.ca/Jeep-CJ_W0QQitemZ270588040780QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item3f004dd64c

Now that is a wicked jeep! Love the look of the ol' CJ's!!   :)

lol, this part is pretty awesome too
"The 302 Ford Boss Mustang crate motor has less than 1,000 miles on it"
Title: Re: NICE RIG BUT SERIOUSLY!!
Post by: tubby on June 09, 2010, 02:03:30 AM
That is approximately $12K that you have listed and lets say another $12K on top for things you didn't list. $24K. Say another $5k for the base jeep (is that too low for a clean 89?) and you are at $29k and his asking price.





How about this one? There is some amazing work in this as well for $19,500. CDN

http://cgi.ebay.ca/Jeep-CJ_W0QQitemZ270588040780QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item3f004dd64c

Almost $20 G's for a Jeep shod with 38" tires and a Dana 30 and AMC 20? Powered by a HiPo 302 = expensive mall crawler. Meh, each to his own I guess. I hope he has one piece rear shafts for that price.
Title: Re: NICE RIG BUT SERIOUSLY!!
Post by: Bnine on June 09, 2010, 09:16:13 AM
i didn't know you were a diehard Flyers fan???? You are as grumpy as i am this week. ;)

Unfortunately, as you know, it doesn't matter what is into it, its what it is worth to someone buying it. My rubi was well over 50 and i took 27.
Sad.
Also, if you visit Pirate, some SICK rigs, better built, can be had for less (as you know).
If the owner of that jeep was on this site, i doubt any comments would have been made.
:)

I fail to see the relevance of always comparing to the states. Everything is cheaper in the states, and few people are willing to go through the process of buying there.

If you walk into ford and tell them you can get that 60 thousand dollar king ranch for 37k in texas, what do you think they would say?

Exactly.

Title: Re: NICE RIG BUT SERIOUSLY!!
Post by: Bnine on June 09, 2010, 09:41:24 AM

I will list if out for you. Joeys estimate is very modest. I'll put the numbers as parts/labor. Most these prices are still faily modest, but at least it gives a rough idea.

1995 Wrangler herculined frame  400/2500
Custom painted Yellow 2002 Jeep TJ  400/3000
Custom Dana 44 front and rear axles 600/500
High steer front 500/500
Sway bars 500/500
Warn steel rock sliders 300/100
Front and rear Detroit Lockers 1500/600
Black Diamond Coil Over Kit installed by 4Wheeler supply fab shop in Phoenix, Arizona (DOT Approved) 4000/2000
Steel undercarriage guard 400/300
GM HEI Distributor conversion (high energy ignition) 300/50
Approx 65k on rebuilt 4.2 engine NA
Approx 18k on rebuilt TF999 automatic transmission with lockup torque converter 1500/250
Custom exhaust 200/200
2 front and back towing D-rings 50/50
Fuel injected 1500/600
Transmission cooling fan 150/50
Dana 300 with 4:1 Tera Low rebuilt and installed by 4Wheeler supply in Phoenix, Arizona 1000/400
Custom fabricated rockcrawler bumpers with spare tire holder by Avalanche Engineering 800/400
Locking hood
Anti-theft removable Grant steering wheel 100
4 high powered off-road lights (KC and Bosch) 200
Hard top and hard doors
Custom front end anti-tip bar
B&M Megashifter automatic transmission shifter 200/100
Soft top and matching half doors 800
2 mesh trail doors 200
Custom fabricated powder coated roll cage 1000/2000
8,000 lb Ramsey Winch 500/100
Custom fabricated aluminum dash with black on white MPH, Tach, Engine Temp and Transmission temp gauges 500/1000
Mastercraft Rubicon 5 point harness front seats with waterproof seat covers 1000/400
Rear bench seat with 3 point seat belts and waterproof seat cover 300/100
Bestop rear duster 50
Bestop windjammer 50
Besttop strapless bikini top 50
2” front entry grab handles
4 water bottle holders
Front rubber floor mats
Sprayed box liner interior 50/400
5 35” ProComp Tires with Trailready Aluminum Off Road Beadlock Wheels 3000/200
5 35” Goodyear MTR Tires on black aluminum wheels  1500/100

Thats 23400 in parts and 16500 in labor. Thats backyard labor. That doesnt include the purchase price of the rig, the motor work, or all the odds and ends that go into a project like this.  Bearings, balljoints, wiring, fluids, pulleys, starter, alternator, belts, usjoints, driveshafts, etc etc etc. That stuff quickly adds up to another 5k.

A  pro shop would be around 30k in labor just for the stuff I listed.


For someone that doesnt know how to built their own stuff, to come in, and get this rig off the guy for 25k is not a bad deal at all.



Title: Re: NICE RIG BUT SERIOUSLY!!
Post by: Spinalguy on June 09, 2010, 10:39:32 AM
I fail to see the relevance of always comparing to the states. Everything is cheaper in the states, and few people are willing to go through the process of buying there.

If you walk into ford and tell them you can get that 60 thousand dollar king ranch for 37k in texas, what do you think they would say?

Exactly.


i think the relevance is that you are bagging on people that also can access the internet and see many jeeps for sale, better built and for less. You are right that most will not go through the hassle of going to the states but it still remains valid comparisons.
At the end of the day, the jeep will sell for 2 reasons;
the seller got the bottom dollar he would take and the buyer paid the top dollar he would pay.

No matter what is into the jeep  in labor, it is worth nothing in a selling market. The parts are worth money. The jeep is worth money. Labor is worth nothing.

You seem overly offended by what is a common theme on the internet...people randomly commenting on a strangers jeep for sale.

Maybe he is your best buddy?

When my jeep was for sale, it was heartbreaking to accept the REALITY that it is not worth anywhere close to what i had invested into it. It sucked for me.

Anyways, no harm...no foul.
:)
Title: Re: NICE RIG BUT SERIOUSLY!!
Post by: Spinalguy on June 09, 2010, 10:54:30 AM
And you are right....to pay 25 for this jeep is a GOOD deal.
Title: Re: NICE RIG BUT SERIOUSLY!!
Post by: Bnine on June 09, 2010, 01:32:22 PM
And you are right....to pay 25 for this jeep is a GOOD deal.

Thats what I dont get Tom.

I defended your jeep in the very same manor I am defending this one.

People with little knowledge about building rigs fire pot shots at rigs like this and yours,  claiming they arent worth nearly what the people are asking.

But you know that when they have some shtty swampers to sell they will ask top dollar.

I just think its ignorant to crap on someones hard work and money spent with these types of comments.

My point being about irrelevance is that everything is cheaper in the states, and everyone knows that. It really has nothing to do with what the seller would be asking here, and what folks will likely pay him.

That would be like saying you should have sold your rig for 14k because you can get one in the states for that.
Title: Re: NICE RIG BUT SERIOUSLY!!
Post by: Spinalguy on June 09, 2010, 01:59:04 PM
gotcha. agree 100%.
 8)
Title: Re: NICE RIG BUT SERIOUSLY!!
Post by: Hi Lo Silver on June 09, 2010, 09:25:11 PM
Almost $20 G's for a Jeep shod with 38" tires and a Dana 30 and AMC 20? Powered by a HiPo 302 = expensive mall crawler. Meh, each to his own I guess. I hope he has one piece rear shafts for that price.


I never knew the 20 and 30 were so bad. I guess I'll have to stick with 33's and hope to get another 26 years out of mine before I have to replace them.  :)