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Title: it never ends....
Post by: AV.NINE on October 30, 2010, 12:00:32 AM
Well I'm putting my lift in consisting of rubicon express 4.5" springs and shocks, front lower rough country control arms, rear lower procomp arms, procomp drop pitman arm, and a ome REAR trackbar bracket.

Well first issue was gathering all the parts, but not to shabby for $300 and a couple small costs (new bushings, grease, etc). So today is the day to lift. I call my buddy chris and he lent me some necessary tools to do the job. This will be the 4th lift I've put in a tj.

Onward, nothing goes right. Breaking bolts, no FRONT trackbar bracket, a couple missing tools, and worst of all seized cam bolts.

So here I am unable to work on my jeep until sunday, I will have to cut off the lower control arm cam bolts because they are so seized. I have to find new cam bolts and either buy an adjustable track bar or find a bracket and finish my lift by tuesday.

The cam bolts shouldn't be too hard to find. The trackbar or track bar bracket may be. An issue oh and I have to find a socket for my pitman arm and a pickle fork.

Not to complain but why does nothing ever go as smooth as it should?

If anyone can help me out with any of my issues ill gladly bring beer.

Thanks for letting me rant, this club is by far the best group of jeepers I've met.

nine
Title: Re: it never ends....
Post by: JackstandJohnny on October 30, 2010, 12:08:26 AM
i believe for the front track bar you can just redrill the hole over towards the drivers side by 3/4"......... much cheaper than a trackbar bracket!
Title: Re: it never ends....
Post by: apeman on October 30, 2010, 03:01:01 AM
well justin...like i said...if you need help,you can call me...dont chop the cam bolts..i can get em off for you...trackbar i can make at work, and the misc problems in between are easily worked out...theres alot of knowledgable jeep wrenchers on this board. if you are in a bind gimme a shout and i will try my best to help.
Title: Re: it never ends....
Post by: vantagetes on November 01, 2010, 09:11:27 PM
I used a ("you owe me money so I'm gonna break your legs with this here wrench") big adjustable on the pitman arm nut. Just lay under there and give it a boot, spins right off. As for torquing it on to 185ft/lbs after, same deal. Just pull till you can't anymore (I call it the $#%!ing tight torque spec). I have a puller which you can also use the adjustable on to pop the pitman arm off too.

Any other tools you need?
Title: Re: it never ends....
Post by: AV.NINE on November 01, 2010, 10:51:42 PM
I just about have her done. Apeman lent me some much needed tools. I picked up a re adjustable from stan at northridge. As far as everything else, I have to change out the control arms yet, but I bought a 3 foot breaker bar. Have to adjust and tighten track bar, I don't have a 15/16s socket here so ill be borrowing one from work. And lastly I have to figure out the rear sway bar. What does everyone else do here? My sway bars are hitting my ebrake cables.... Any ideas? Do they make rear extensions?

Will post a pic of progress in 5.
Title: Re: it never ends....
Post by: AV.NINE on November 01, 2010, 10:55:02 PM
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t201/av9inch/utf-8BSU1HMDAwNDAtMjAxMDExMDEtMjIyMy5qcGc.jpg)
Title: Re: it never ends....
Post by: Rubi03 jef on November 01, 2010, 10:57:37 PM
i know on the JK people usually swap the front links to the rear and then put new links in the front

as for me i run no sway bar up front i keep destroying the links  even HKS disconnects so no more sway bar

Title: Re: it never ends....
Post by: Rubi03 jef on November 01, 2010, 10:58:11 PM
damn that look good man
Title: Re: it never ends....
Post by: GiS on November 02, 2010, 02:34:23 PM
I like it!!
Title: Re: it never ends....
Post by: AV.NINE on November 02, 2010, 02:36:58 PM
Thanks joey and jeff.... These are just the first mods. I'm secretly build some diffs at an undisclosed location. First of many mods.

Front sway bar isn't an issue, but the rear is being a pain in the arse.
Title: Re: it never ends....
Post by: GiS on November 02, 2010, 02:39:24 PM
Whats the prob with rear swaybar? You have the factory one on there right...So do you need the drop down/longer down links?
Title: Re: it never ends....
Post by: AV.NINE on November 02, 2010, 02:45:17 PM
Yup I guess I need those. Have a line on some?
Title: Re: it never ends....
Post by: WagoneerXJ on November 02, 2010, 03:00:16 PM
Northridge carries the rear extended links for TJ's....
Title: Re: it never ends....
Post by: AV.NINE on November 02, 2010, 10:12:18 PM
All done minus 2 control arms.... But HUGE problem.

I was removing 3 of the bolts for my t case drop, and they were tight as all hell. 3 foot breaker bar and my whole 270lbs pulling.

I did get them out BUT when I went to put my new bolts in, EVERY nutsert stripped!!!!

First, why oh why did this happen?

Second, will it happen to the other side?

Third, will the nutserts take the abuse of a drill and tap?

Nine
Title: Re: it never ends....
Post by: Rubi03 jef on November 03, 2010, 12:14:12 AM
never happened to me but i can only imagine the frame rail has lots of mud and dirt in it so it was making the bolts rust a bit more then there should .

i cant confirm if drill and tap will be better   
Title: Re: it never ends....
Post by: rt01 on November 03, 2010, 03:55:10 AM
I don't think I would try to tap them just replace them, and remember they're metric and the bolts you are using should be too!
 part #   6506 629aa for the 12mm
Title: Re: it never ends....
Post by: jeepjones on November 03, 2010, 03:57:17 AM
Damn, you have some bad luck modding your rigs!
Title: Re: it never ends....
Post by: GiS on November 03, 2010, 06:47:02 AM
Dont bother trying to drill and tap a nutsert, there isn't enough "meat" there. Your best bet is to replace the nutsert, or weld a nut inside the frame rail but I don't think the "windows" are large enough to get a good bead.

Yeah buddy, I've got some extended rear swaybar links, all yours! Just let me know when you want them...they aren't going anywhere.
Title: Re: it never ends....
Post by: GiS on November 03, 2010, 11:51:43 AM
And yeah, like the other guy said...could be some mud in your frame. Check mine out  :o

(http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g16/GiS5_bucket/P1010323.jpg)
Title: Re: it never ends....
Post by: AV.NINE on November 03, 2010, 06:08:52 PM
Thanks anyways joey but too late. Modern had a set in stock for a good price.

I tried to tap the nutserts and failed. They came loose inside the frame. I had some hexicoil so I tapped the frame anyways and installed that. The bolts held and are tight. Kind of sketchy but I have a back up plan.

Note: the drivers side came out just fine.

Plan A - I have some bolts, and I'm going to weld them to a washer then weld a piece of metal (3"s) to that washer. Then tie the end of the bolt to some bailing twine and fish each one through the frame holes. That way alls I have to do is stick a nut on them.

Anyways, here's what she looks like all together:

(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t201/av9inch/utf-8BSU1HMDAwNDEtMjAxMDExMDMtMTc1NS5qcGc.jpg)

(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t201/av9inch/utf-8BSU1HMDAwNDItMjAxMDExMDMtMTc1NS5qcGc.jpg)

Just needs an alignment to cure some death wobble.
Title: Re: it never ends....
Post by: Knox on November 03, 2010, 08:19:02 PM
looks good, what do you have for axles in there?
Title: Re: it never ends....
Post by: AV.NINE on November 03, 2010, 08:34:43 PM
30/35

My real diffs are under construction...
Title: Re: it never ends....
Post by: vantagetes on November 03, 2010, 08:41:34 PM
Can you hold off on your alignment until your new axles are ready?
Title: Re: it never ends....
Post by: Knox on November 03, 2010, 08:52:49 PM
what are you putting in there?
Title: Re: it never ends....
Post by: AV.NINE on November 03, 2010, 09:36:12 PM
Can you hold off on your alignment until your new axles are ready?

No, they wont be done for 6 months give or take....

what are you putting in there?


Front 9" with Dana 60 outters

Rear 9" with 14 bolt outters
Title: Re: it never ends....
Post by: Rubi03 jef on November 03, 2010, 11:47:01 PM
are those 35   13.5   

looking good .. thats alot of axle for a short arm
Title: Re: it never ends....
Post by: AV.NINE on November 04, 2010, 04:55:44 AM
La will be coming when the wife allows