Calgary Jeep Association
4x4 Related Groups => Tech Talk => Topic started by: Tomtwoshoes on November 25, 2011, 12:06:38 PM
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Hello has any of you put a 1996 318v8 into 1997 TJ it comes with a auto trans also will it bolt to my 5sp Thanks
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almost sold my tranny to a guy with this setup. the motor fit in nicely. he had it running through teh stock computer. just had some work done to the harness. worked with all his guages and stuff too. it was really clean. he was using a Dodge ram truck standard tranny (nv3500 or soemthing) it worked well. the Ax15 will not bolt up, but i do believe they make an adaptor plate for it, OR i think (don't quote me) the 5.2 dakotas used the AX15, so you'd need that specific bellhousing.
you know i have a V8 and a 44re tranny kicking around...... out of a 96 actually..........
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Will not bolt to your 5spd. If you want a V8 there are whole kits out there to put in Chev, Fords and Dodge Hemis. The Chrysler Magnum V8s isn't very popular with the aftermarket support and really isn't that great in terms of HP and fuel economy. A Chev/Ford option would be cheaper. A stroked 4.0 would be easier and kick a stock 5.2Ls(318).
If you are going to do the swap at least do a 5.9L(360).
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The 5 speed 318 in that TJ was awesome john. It looked almost stock and still fit with the clutch fan! buddy said it was a cheap easy swap wiring aside. And worked very well. Keep it Mopar IMO. ;)
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Meh. If your going to throw a V8 in you might as well throw in something with power. I say a 6.0 Chevy. At least your over 300hp. 5.2 aint much better than the 4.0l. I had one in my Dakota it didn't impress me at all. Just alot of problems with it. My buddy has over 400kms on his 6.0 in his 2500 and it runs perfect.
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Meh. If your going to throw a V8 in you might as well throw in something with power. I say a 6.0 Chevy. At least your over 300hp. 5.2 aint much better than the 4.0l. I had one in my Dakota it didn't impress me at all. Just alot of problems with it. My buddy has over 400kms on his 6.0 in his 2500 and it runs perfect.
rofl had to point out the 400kms anything runs good after 400kms lol
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Meh. If your going to throw a V8 in you might as well throw in something with power. I say a 6.0 Chevy. At least your over 300hp. 5.2 aint much better than the 4.0l. I had one in my Dakota it didn't impress me at all. Just alot of problems with it. My buddy has over 400kms on his 6.0 in his 2500 and it runs perfect.
drive a dakota with a 3.9............ lol
point is, the 5.2 was almost bolt in. we saw it. and heard it. guy spliced the stock harness and used everything mopar. how much work is a 6l chev swap?
guess it depends.... the guy wtih the 5.2 did his swap in a weekend............. on his daily driver.
if you have nothing but time and another ride, give'r...... i'd probably agree with clay though and if you can, go 5.9.
ask any person whose driven a ZJ if they can tell the difference between a V8 and the 4L
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rofl had to point out the 400kms anything runs good after 400kms lol
I think he meant 400 thousand :p
I have a 6.0L sitting in my garage waiting, and have heard of these engines going 600,000+ without issue.
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if you have nothing but time and another ride, give'r...... i'd probably agree with clay though and if you can, go 5.9.
ask any person whose driven a ZJ if they can tell the difference between a 5.2L and the 5.9
Fixed it for ya! ;D
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The whole ls series of engine is crazy. I got a friend in wetaskiwin with a 2011 z71 5.3 wit a lynsholm twin screw since 20000km. I had a 6 l lq4 I was gonna put in my grand prix cam change an 950 holley and 500 hp wit a broad curve. I love the ls next motor for the xj will be a after its built and I blow up the 355 for it
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Just throw in a Honda 1.6. And be done with it.
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Well, I'm the guy with the 5.2 in the TJ. Did it in a long weekend....cost about $600 including engine and trans. All stock parts, including driveshafts. Only aftermarket piece is AA motor mounts. Gets between 25 and 27 mpg on the highway. All stock gauges work and drives perfect. Have over 20,000km on it since swap. But hey, if you want to buy expensive adapters and have a big PITA doing wiring and gauges, go ahead and put in a Chevy motor. Oh yeah....my 5.2 will smoke the tires for a block.
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Well, I'm the guy with the 5.2 in the TJ. Did it in a long weekend....cost about $600 including engine and trans. All stock parts, including driveshafts. Only aftermarket piece is AA motor mounts. Gets between 25 and 27 mpg on the highway. All stock gauges work and drives perfect. Have over 20,000km on it since swap. But hey, if you want to buy expensive adapters and have a big PITA doing wiring and gauges, go ahead and put in a Chevy motor. Oh yeah....my 5.2 will smoke the tires for a block.
Running the Chevy and Jeep computer in tandem = all guages work and you retain the stock Chev motor harness. Using the NV4500 which bolts right to the motor, and it's got a 27 spline output so it bolts to my t-case. Are you just bitter you didn't go for the extra 800cc?
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i hate to say it but that chev will make that jeep move damn fast u can get 500hp out of a ls without to much trouble....
i love ls that is all...
on a side note i think u could drop a 3.0l crd into it and smoke both of them with minor mods
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Bitter? After I sold the original 2.5 and ax5 I'm up $300 from where I started....drove it to Oregon Dunes and Bonneville this summer.....never had a problem. Could I have done an LS swap with more power? Sure. Could I have done it this easy and had it work this well for this price? Not likely. Besides, if I'd wanted to go for more power and was willing to spend more, I woulda put in a Hemi....
By the way....I'm swapping over to an auto.....so if you want an NV3500 that fits with stock driveshafts....it's going to be for sale....
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Which auto are you going with? I have a NV3550 and a brand new NV4500 sitting in my garage already. Wether or not the driveshafts fit is going to depend on where your motor mounts end up, and how your tcase is clocked. Not to mention I'm going to be running a D300, most likely set up for passenger side drop.
Besides, I don't think running stock drive shafts is a good idea when you quadrouple the horsepower...
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Buying a 44re from John. I originally had a 46re in it when I first did the swap. Changed over to a 96 Ram NV3500....both trans fit perfect with stock transfer case placement. The 5 speed is alot of fun , but upcoming knee surgery would make it undrivable for quite a while. And I must admit, I liked the auto better. If I had gone with a Hemi, stock driveshafts would have been out, as well as the D35. I am rather hard on it. With the combo I have its held up fine, no issues at all. Knock on wood......
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Who did your computer work?
Its not as easy as you are making it out to be. Cant be.. Tell me it isnt before I spend money.
I am an LS fan as well, but you must give up most of your gauges.
Now Hemi swap seems entertaining. In my 06' I am already planing it. If the 4.0 coughs, its getting pulled.
In my opinion, ALL jeeps need V8's
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It is that easy... with a little wiring know how.
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Actually it's $148 and you hook four wires up on this baby:
http://www.novak-adapt.com/catalog/electronics/tj_xj_crank_position_tach_emulator.htm
You can either run the stock harness from the donor or you can buy a custom built chopped down one for $5-600 depending on options and PCM tune.
Depending on how much you want to do yourself vs how many thing you want to buy these swaps are almost straight plug and play now.
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Isn't the LS1 alot lighter being alum then the others? Not sure of wieghts.
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the ls series has many all aluminum engines....
there is all aluminum 5.3's there is also steal bottom end aluminum head 5.3's
that series of engien is crazy they all pretty much inter connect with each other in some way or form...
i know they used to make a sleeve kit for the 6.0l lq4 or lq9 u slam out old sleeves slam in new ones and it was a old school 427 with like 600hp
i just cant say enough about chevy's ls engine program
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Isn't the LS1 alot lighter being alum then the others? Not sure of wieghts.
4.0L is 515lbs, and has 190hp 225ft/lbs
6.0L is 520lbs, and has 316hp 370ft/lbs (with full emissions)
Going from a 2.5L to a 4.0L vs 2.5 to 6.0L
Cut and weld motor mounts: yes/yes
Change harness and computer: yes/yes
Change tranny: yes/yes
Change tcase: no/yes (although you could run a NP231 for a limited time, depending on what tires you ran)
Change axles: no/yes (same deal as tcase)
Change radiator: yes/yes
To do a 4.0L swap is just about the same amount of work as doing a 6.0L swap. I was planning on doing the 4.0 swap but lucked into a complete engine and brand new tranny for dirt cheap. My thought is, if I am going to go through all the effort anyway, why not?
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Ok was just checking thanks for info. I have a line on an all alum LS1 out of a vette it was pole fighting only has 22k on it. Get the whole deal harness and stuff aswell not sure a 2wheel tranny will work though. Still researching and collecting pieces but wanted to shed front wieght and can power lol.