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General Forums => Chit-Chat => Topic started by: OnyxGrizzly on March 06, 2012, 11:01:05 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4MnpzG5Sqc
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I just watched this with my wife We were blown away. Totally worth anyone's time. We watched at 10 and immediately started tweeting.
More attention needs to be paid to social and humanitarian issues. Even in non oil bearing nations.
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More attention needs to be paid to social and humanitarian issues. Even in non oil bearing nations.
Why? Please explain this one.
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this is traveling through the internets quicker than a picture of a cat with spelling mistakes.
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it's a pretty powerful message.
Serge ...there's a whole world out there..outside your garage ;D
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True, this guy is a very evil guy....but how much do you know about "Invisible Children"? And what's the end result of this going to be?
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As for the charity, it is interesting the facts that come up when you dig a bit deeper. Only 31% of funds raised make it to Africa, then the governments take some more and then it goes on to those in need. Refusal for independent audits of financials, no independent board of directors and past support of African militias, who have a proclivity for rape and looting. Charity Navigator gives them 2 out of 4 stars.
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It's all about the allmighty buck.
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It's a slick, cool, well-thought out campaign, that makes very effective use of some excellent graphic design and the power of social media. This campaign has been successful because it makes it cool to participate, and because the people operating the campaign are skilled at manipulating others. There's nothing to suggest that any less of the money that is raised by this campaign will go to good works than money raised by other charities....and nothing to suggest that any more money will be used effectively.
Yes, it adresses a real problem within the world...the LRA is a blight upon humanity. But this campaign leads me to ask a couple questions:
#1. What happens if the 100 US SF advisors aren't successful? Congolese, Sudanese, and Ugandan militaries have been actively working to hunt Kony and the LRA down since 2008. 100 SF advisors are going to make a difference in their first year on the ground? That supposition is naive in the extreme. Counter-insurgency campaigns are often measured in decades - not in years.
#2. ICC warrants have been out since 2005. The UN mission in 2006 was a miserable failure (US-trained Guatemalan troops that ended up dead. Every last one of them.) What does the presence of the US SF advisors REALLY change?
I applaud the sentiment that's part of this campaign....but I question the efficacy of the methods that they seek to embrace.
I also ask this question - and please understand that it's not intended to offend anyone....it's intended to get you to challenge yourself. Be brutally honest with yourself when you answer it.
If you're so eager to have US troops on foriegn soil to accomplish good in the world....what's stopping you from volunteering for the military? By asking for US troops to be deployed overseas, you're sending someone into harm's way. Asking them to spend months or years of their life in primitive and dangerous conditions - risking death by disease, gunfire, or dismemberment. Asking them to sacrifice the time they cherish with their families? Are you comfortable asking them to do something that you're not willing to do?
You should ask yourself this question because there is a REAL cost when soldiers go overseas. Saving lives in Uganda or Sudan or Afghanistan has a REAL price. Canadian or American or British or Danish or or Belgian or Guatemalan or Spanish sons and daughters have lives that are changed...or lives that are ended. I don't for an instant say that the military should never deploy overseas....but I want each and every person who supports a charity advocating military action to truly understand what that means. Don't go watch a movie to understand it...talk to someone that's lost a family member in Afghanistan.
I know what my answer was when I was asked if my name should be on the list for deployment to Rwanda in 1997. I said that I was willing to step into harm's way. There are many who's faith in their fellow man will bring them to do the same because our society asks them to do so. But before you raise your voice, asking for young men and women to go in harm's way....ask yourself what your response would be if you were asked to go to Uganda. Understand what that response tells you about yourself...and about your support for this campaign...and does it still "feel so good" to send away for an "action kit".
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^ Very good post. Couldn't agree more.
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Wow. Don't I feel small. I agree... Now. :-[
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that post/message right there should be spread around the interweb as much as the other one.
permission to do so...?
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that post/message right there should be spread around the interweb as much as the other one.
permission to do so...?
That's funny my wife just said the same thing
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it's a pretty powerful message.
Serge ...there's a whole world out there..outside your garage ;D
http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?p=1147338
Glad I didn't leave my garage for this ;D
Did it, "change you"?
... Still awaiting a response from jennsen.... :)
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Why? Please explain this one.
Well why not? In this situation it's children being stolen that kind of bothers me,.. Even if the foundation is questionable the cause is worthy I think. Now had this been a place where there was a oil option I bet the US would take a different approach
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Well why not? In this situation it's children being stolen that kind of bothers me,.. Even if the foundation is questionable the cause is worthy I think. Now had this been a place where there was a oil option I bet the US would take a different approach
There's nothing worthy about THIS cause.
Now, the cause for getting rid of Kony....well, yes, I support that. But then again, I have for many, many years. He's not a new face to surface just recently. Jumping on the bandwagon (and most people have, it seems) to send money off which will most likely be used to support someone just like Kony is not the way to go about this.
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A pretty good read
http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/03/07/guest_post_joseph_kony_is_not_in_uganda_and_other_complicated_things
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Well why not? In this situation it's children being stolen that kind of bothers me,.. Even if the foundation is questionable the cause is worthy I think. Now had this been a place where there was a oil option I bet the US would take a different approach
I don't understand the oil stance. Even if there was some mineral or natural resource there for the taking it wouldn't change the approach of the united states. There are kids in iraq and afghanistan that are exploited and killed and a bunch of other horrible things and that didn't stop because the united nations showed up with the united states in the lead.
I think its ignorant to assume because of natural resources that a united nation is going to come and save the day.
There are lots of worthy causes out there and this is not one of them.
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Two things;
1.If you're so eager to have US troops on foriegn soil to accomplish good in the world....what's stopping you from volunteering for the military? By asking for US troops to be deployed overseas, you're sending someone into harm's way. Asking them to spend months or years of their life in primitive and dangerous conditions - risking death by disease, gunfire, or dismemberment. Asking them to sacrifice the time they cherish with their families? Are you comfortable asking them to do something that you're not willing to do?
This quote is so cliche! Why not ask: If you're so eager to have your accountant do your taxes why not become accountant, or if your so eager to go to the doctor for a check-up why not go to medical school!? The point is it takes all kinds of people to run this world and if everyone who wanted peace, justice and security just up and joined the Military, who would teach our kids, run our country and look after our sick. It's the individuals that make the choice to be in the Military, it's a non-conditional choice and one which they knew what they signed up for.
2. Sure its terrible that only 31% of the money raised goes to Uganada, but what have you done for a Third World Country lately? And keep in-mind the people running this organization probably don't have any other form of income and still have a family to support. I mean are you going to come down on the Directors of McDonalds for collecting a pay cheque for feeding people?!? Regardless if its a charity they are providing a service in which they are intitled to a pay cheque.
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i just think that we as citizens of Canada should be donating only to Canadians in need, as our priority.
Imagine what would be possible if our international donations as a country and as an individual were used entirely in our own backyards...
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Its interesting how a slick media campaign can misrepresent information and millions of morons will spout them as fact after watching a 30 minute video. I dont pretend to understand the African conflicts and no one who has only watched the Kony video can either.
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i just think that we as citizens of Canada should be donating only to Canadians in need, as our priority.
Imagine what would be possible if our international donations as a country and as an individual were used entirely in our own backyards...
This I can agree with!
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Two things;
1.This quote is so cliche! Why not ask: If you're so eager to have your accountant do your taxes why not become accountant, or if your so eager to go to the doctor for a check-up why not go to medical school!? The point is it takes all kinds of people to run this world and if everyone who wanted peace, justice and security just up and joined the Military, who would teach our kids, run our country and look after our sick. It's the individuals that make the choice to be in the Military, it's a non-conditional choice and one which they knew what they signed up for.
Seriously? You're comparing becoming an accountant to being shot at?
At no point did I say that only people who have served in the military should be entitled to ask for the military to do something....what I am saying is that BEFORE you ask someone to go into harm's way, UNDERSTAND what you're asking for. Make it worthwhile. Make sure it's done right. Make sure that when you are looking in the eye of a father who's only son is dead at the age of 36, you can say that his death meant something. Not that his death was the result of the fact that a social media campaign made it cool to be an "activist".
I understand this from two sides....I've volunteered for overseas duty in a very dangerous situation, and I've lost a family member to the war in Afghanistan. I don't have an issue with speaking up for what you believe in. What I have an issue with is this slick, over-produced social media campaign that is pressing for a difficult goal to be achieved using unrealistic methods...and then saying that they will keep the pressure on until the job is done. Do you even have the background knowledge to understand how long 100 SF advisors will take to make a real difference in a counter-insurgency campaign that's been active for the past 25 years? Or to comprehend the environment they are operating in? Or understand the type of death they will have if the end up in the hands of the LRA? Al Qaeda doesn't have anything on the LRA when it comes to doing unpleasant things to those they've captured.
Those 100 SF advisors volunteered to make a difference for THEIR country, and to be a force for good in the world. They did it with the expectation that wisdom and sound judgement would be used before they were expected to stand in harm's way. Are you honestly saying that because they volunteered, their expectation is null and void? That they can now be deployed willy-nilly to get shot at in whatever place is the flavour of the week?
As members of a society that enjoys peace and security in the shelter formed by the men and women of our police services, fire departments, and especially military services, we have two responsibilities to those who have offered to go in harm's way for us. The first is to do everything in our power to ensure that those whom we elect to positions of authority do not place them at risk in a cavalier fashion. The second is to show a little bit of gratitude - which is something that I find sorely lacking in your comments. "They knew what they signed up for" is an incredibly selfish comment to make when we're talking about the potential end of a person's life. A comment that could only be made by a child who has spent their life sheltered behind the bodies of those who have chosen to stand in harm's way.
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survival of the fittest, population control, whatever you want to call it. i've been to all those countries and personally I dont giva a hoot what happens there. they could all kill them selves into extinction. If their government isnt doing anything about it and their people just accept the way things are instead of uniting together and doing something to improve their country. then why should I be waisting, my tax dollars to support another country, i'm already waisting too much tax dollars supporting lazy people in this country. We should concentrate on making our own country better for us. I know it stinks, how about I start a campain to help pay off my mortgage, due to the shitty economy, just another scam.
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If their government isnt doing anything about it and their people just accept the way things are instead of uniting together and doing something to improve their country.....
Let's consider Somalia. They haven't had a stable government in over 20 years I think.
Still believe the above is true? They just don't care?
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Read this, put an end to the propaganda machine. i am sure they are happy to be selling their $30 'kits'
Seriously, well worth the time to read this...
http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/03/07/guest_post_joseph_kony_is_not_in_uganda_and_other_complicated_things#.T1jZuPtrWjc.facebook (http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/03/07/guest_post_joseph_kony_is_not_in_uganda_and_other_complicated_things#.T1jZuPtrWjc.facebook)
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Yay another cause for people to support by facebooking, twittering, buying ribbons and other non active useless ways to make oneself feel better about themselves without actually having to do anything other then watch a youtube video. How many pink ribbons or nike shoes drenched in armstrongs brand will be sold before cancer is cured i wonder. Lets all go tweet about this, tell our facebook friends about it and then hug each other on the trail followed by a good cry. Admit ya dont care enough to actually do something or quit wasting bandwidth... me? I dont care enough to do anything about so I wont bother watchin a stupid video... keep crap real people :-)
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Thank you for serving Todd.
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Thanks for the sentiment, Andy. All that I can say in response is that there are people who have made large sacrifices for us and are a lot more deserving of thanks than I.
In other news, the "invisible children" plot is thickening:
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/jason-russell-san-diego-invisible-children-kony-2012-142970255.html (http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/jason-russell-san-diego-invisible-children-kony-2012-142970255.html)
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survival of the fittest, population control, whatever you want to call it. i've been to all those countries and personally I dont giva a hoot what happens there. they could all kill them selves into extinction. If their government isnt doing anything about it and their people just accept the way things are instead of uniting together and doing something to improve their country. then why should I be waisting, my tax dollars to support another country, i'm already waisting too much tax dollars supporting lazy people in this country. We should concentrate on making our own country better for us. I know it stinks, how about I start a campain to help pay off my mortgage, due to the shitty economy, just another scam.
Comments like this disgust me. That is all I will say.
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Thanks for the sentiment, Andy. All that I can say in response is that there are people who have made large sacrifices for us and are a lot more deserving of thanks than I.
In other news, the "invisible children" plot is thickening:
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/jason-russell-san-diego-invisible-children-kony-2012-142970255.html (http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/jason-russell-san-diego-invisible-children-kony-2012-142970255.html)
Sounds like a fine, upstanding young man.
Maybe, if you're lucky, you can have him living next door to you and yourr kids.
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Comments like this disgust me. That is all I will say.
did I offend you with my comment? It is what it is and donating money and using tax payer’s money will not solve the problem. I would rather spend my tax money putting kids through universities, such as medical schools and other useful education to make this Country best it can be than throwing money away into useless agenda that will never get resolved.
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did I offend you with my comment? It is what it is and donating money and using tax payer’s money will not solve the problem. I would rather spend my tax money putting kids through universities, such as medical schools and other useful education to make this Country best it can be than throwing money away into useless agenda that will never get resolved.
I agree with part of what you are saying but saying that they can all basically burn in hell and we have no obligation as a society is pretty deep. I really don't care to hear your views on the war on terrorism if that's the case. I think you would change your tune if your family was overseas trying to protect our country while helping rebuild another.
Not trying to argue or pick a fight but really, try and think about the beliefs and feelings of others is all I'm saying.
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I agree with part of what you are saying but saying that they can all basically burn in hell and we have no obligation as a society is pretty deep. I really don't care to hear your views on the war on terrorism if that's the case. I think you would change your tune if your family was overseas trying to protect our country while helping rebuild another.
Not trying to argue or pick a fight but really, try and think about the beliefs and feelings of others is all I'm saying.
my comment has noting to do with having my familiy or your family oversease trying to protect our country, while helping rebuild another. My comment is towards donating money to a cause that the countries government and people dont really care to do anything about it them selfs and thats why I could care less as to what is happening there. The views on the so called war on terrorism, i'll keep it to my self ;)
we all have different views, any comments on open forums should be taken with a grain of salt.
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Thanks for clarifying man. I agree that we all have our views and sometimes people read into it. I do agree that this could very well be propaganda or a scam but who knows.
I'm gonna go relax and wash my minivan, er I mean WK. Should have just bought a JK and then I would have the motor too. Had to make some light of it lol
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http://www.tmz.com/2012/03/18/jason-russell-video-naked-meltdown-kony/?adid=hero1 (http://www.tmz.com/2012/03/18/jason-russell-video-naked-meltdown-kony/?adid=hero1)