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Offline dunl

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Re: Watch this, and it will change you.
« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2012, 08:25:29 AM »
Well why not? In this situation it's children being stolen that kind of bothers me,.. Even if the foundation is questionable the cause is worthy I think. Now had this been a place where there was a oil option I bet the US would take a different approach

There's nothing worthy about THIS cause.

Now, the cause for getting rid of Kony....well, yes, I support that.  But then again, I have for many, many years.  He's not a new face to surface just recently.  Jumping on the bandwagon (and most people have, it seems) to send money off which will most likely be used to support someone just like Kony is not the way to go about this.
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Re: Watch this, and it will change you.
« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2012, 02:48:17 PM »
Well why not? In this situation it's children being stolen that kind of bothers me,.. Even if the foundation is questionable the cause is worthy I think. Now had this been a place where there was a oil option I bet the US would take a different approach

I don't understand the oil stance. Even if there was some mineral or natural resource there for the taking it wouldn't change the approach of the united states. There are kids in iraq and afghanistan that are exploited and killed and a bunch of other horrible things and that didn't stop because the united nations showed up with the united states in the lead.

I think its ignorant to assume because of natural resources that a united nation is going to come and save the day.

There are lots of worthy causes out there and this is not one of them.
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Re: Watch this, and it will change you.
« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2012, 01:24:28 PM »
Two things;
 
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If you're so eager to have US troops on foriegn soil to accomplish good in the world....what's stopping you from volunteering for the military? By asking for US troops to be deployed overseas, you're sending someone into harm's way. Asking them to spend months or years of their life in primitive and dangerous conditions - risking death by disease, gunfire, or dismemberment. Asking them to sacrifice the time they cherish with their families? Are you comfortable asking them to do something that you're not willing to do?
This quote is so cliche!  Why not ask: If you're so eager to have your accountant do your taxes why not become accountant, or if your so eager to go to the doctor for a check-up why not go to medical school!?  The point is it takes all kinds of people to run this world and if everyone who wanted peace, justice and security just up and joined the Military, who would teach our kids, run our country and look after our sick.  It's the individuals that make the choice to be in the Military, it's a non-conditional choice and one which they knew what they signed up for.
2. Sure its terrible that only 31% of the money raised goes to Uganada, but what have you done for a Third World Country lately? And keep in-mind the people running this organization probably don't have any other form of income and still have a family to support.  I mean are you going to come down on the Directors of McDonalds for collecting a pay cheque for feeding people?!? Regardless if its a charity they are providing a service in which they are intitled to a pay cheque.
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Re: Watch this, and it will change you.
« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2012, 02:01:41 PM »
i just think that we as citizens of Canada should be donating only to Canadians in need, as our priority.
Imagine what would be possible if our international donations as a country and as an individual were used entirely in our own backyards...
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« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2012, 02:05:20 PM »
Its interesting how a slick media campaign can misrepresent information and millions of morons will spout them as fact after watching a 30 minute video. I dont pretend to understand the African conflicts and no one who has only watched the Kony video can either.


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Re: Watch this, and it will change you.
« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2012, 02:09:26 PM »
i just think that we as citizens of Canada should be donating only to Canadians in need, as our priority.
Imagine what would be possible if our international donations as a country and as an individual were used entirely in our own backyards...
This I can agree with!
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Re: Watch this, and it will change you.
« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2012, 02:27:46 PM »
Two things;
 
1.This quote is so cliche!  Why not ask: If you're so eager to have your accountant do your taxes why not become accountant, or if your so eager to go to the doctor for a check-up why not go to medical school!?  The point is it takes all kinds of people to run this world and if everyone who wanted peace, justice and security just up and joined the Military, who would teach our kids, run our country and look after our sick.  It's the individuals that make the choice to be in the Military, it's a non-conditional choice and one which they knew what they signed up for.


Seriously? You're comparing becoming an accountant to being shot at?

At no point did I say that only people who have served in the military should be entitled to ask for the military to do something....what I am saying is that BEFORE you ask someone to go into harm's way, UNDERSTAND what you're asking for. Make it worthwhile. Make sure it's done right. Make sure that when you are looking in the eye of a father who's only son is dead at the age of 36, you can say that his death meant something. Not that his death was the result of the fact that a social media campaign made it cool to be an "activist".

 I understand this from two sides....I've volunteered for overseas duty in a very dangerous situation, and I've lost a family member to the war in Afghanistan. I don't have an issue with speaking up for what you believe in. What I have an issue with is this slick, over-produced social media campaign that is pressing for a difficult goal to be achieved using unrealistic methods...and then saying that they will keep the pressure on until the job is done. Do you even have the background knowledge to understand how long 100 SF advisors will take to make a real difference in a counter-insurgency campaign that's been active for the past 25 years? Or to comprehend the environment they are operating in? Or understand the type of death they will have if the end up in the hands of the LRA? Al Qaeda doesn't have anything on the LRA when it comes to doing unpleasant things to those they've captured.

Those 100 SF advisors volunteered to make a difference for THEIR country, and to be a force for good in the world. They did it with the expectation that wisdom and sound judgement would be used before they were expected to stand in harm's way. Are you honestly saying that because they volunteered, their expectation is null and void? That they can now be deployed willy-nilly  to get shot at in whatever place is the flavour of the week?

As members of a society that enjoys peace and security in the shelter formed by the men and women of our police services, fire departments, and especially military services, we have two responsibilities to those who have offered to go in harm's way for us. The first is to do everything in our power to ensure that those whom we elect to positions of authority do not place them at risk in a cavalier fashion. The second is to show a little bit of gratitude - which is something that I find sorely lacking in your comments. "They knew what they signed up for" is an incredibly selfish comment to make when we're talking about the potential end of a person's life. A comment that could only be made by a child who has spent their life sheltered behind the bodies of those who have chosen to stand in harm's way.
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Re: Watch this, and it will change you.
« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2012, 02:47:37 PM »
survival of the fittest, population control, whatever you want to call it.  i've been to all those countries and personally I dont giva a hoot what happens there. they could all kill them selves into extinction. If their government isnt doing anything about it and their people just accept the way things are instead of uniting together and doing something to improve their country. then why should I be waisting, my tax dollars to support another country, i'm already waisting too much tax dollars supporting lazy people in this country. We should concentrate on making our own country better for us. I know it stinks, how about I start a campain to help pay off my mortgage, due to the shitty economy, just another scam.


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Re: Watch this, and it will change you.
« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2012, 04:48:11 PM »
If their government isnt doing anything about it and their people just accept the way things are instead of uniting together and doing something to improve their country.....

Let's consider Somalia.  They haven't had a stable government in over 20 years I think. 

Still believe the above is true?  They just don't care?
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Re: Watch this, and it will change you.
« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2012, 06:01:19 PM »
Read this, put an end to the propaganda machine. i am sure they are happy to be selling their $30 'kits'

Seriously, well worth the time to read this...

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/03/07/guest_post_joseph_kony_is_not_in_uganda_and_other_complicated_things#.T1jZuPtrWjc.facebook
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Re: Watch this, and it will change you.
« Reply #26 on: March 11, 2012, 02:52:32 PM »
Yay another cause for people to support by facebooking, twittering, buying ribbons and other non active useless ways to make oneself feel better about themselves without actually having to do anything other then watch a youtube video. How many pink ribbons or nike shoes drenched in armstrongs brand will be sold before cancer is cured i wonder. Lets all go tweet about this, tell our facebook friends about it and then hug each other on the trail followed by a good cry. Admit ya dont care enough to actually do something or quit wasting bandwidth... me? I dont care enough to do anything about so I wont bother watchin a stupid video... keep crap real people :-)

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« Reply #27 on: March 11, 2012, 04:19:07 PM »
Thank you for serving Todd.

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« Reply #28 on: March 17, 2012, 10:18:52 AM »
Thanks for the sentiment, Andy. All that I can say in response is that there are people who have made large sacrifices for us and are a lot more deserving of thanks than I.

In other news, the "invisible children" plot is thickening:

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/jason-russell-san-diego-invisible-children-kony-2012-142970255.html
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Re: Watch this, and it will change you.
« Reply #29 on: March 17, 2012, 11:42:09 AM »
survival of the fittest, population control, whatever you want to call it.  i've been to all those countries and personally I dont giva a hoot what happens there. they could all kill them selves into extinction. If their government isnt doing anything about it and their people just accept the way things are instead of uniting together and doing something to improve their country. then why should I be waisting, my tax dollars to support another country, i'm already waisting too much tax dollars supporting lazy people in this country. We should concentrate on making our own country better for us. I know it stinks, how about I start a campain to help pay off my mortgage, due to the shitty economy, just another scam.

Comments like this disgust me. That is all I will say.