Calgary Jeep Association
General Forums => Chit-Chat => Topic started by: heep-a-lop on November 06, 2012, 12:28:34 PM
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yes that is a 15hp electric motor....
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stand built... with room for onemore motor
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finished product... yes we do everything big at emf
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and yes that is 3 phase power going to it....
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here is mikes very accurate description...
"15hp, part winding wye to wye to delta start. Runs 16amp, with only 17.6 inrush. Kickin it old school pre VFD with a 12 lead motor! The lights don't dim"
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if you do end up going with a VFD I can program the parameters for ya :D
Yaskawa makes great inverters ;)
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if you do end up going with a VFD I can program the parameters for ya :D
Yaskawa makes great inverters ;)
Did they get blanket CSA? Or do you still need to get em tagged?
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thats language mike understands.... he has his electrical engineering he does things with wires we dont wanna talk about lol.... works great and air conditions the shop to lol 20 psi in abotu 20 seconds
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When our new shop compressor arrives in December, I'll try to post some pics. Power is 440 volt, 135 amps, 3 phase.Output is 145 CFM....at 5000 psi.
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thats awesome... but ours cost under a grand all said and one..... wait till we add the second tank and second motor...
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When our new shop compressor arrives in December, I'll try to post some pics. Power is 440 volt, 135 amps, 3 phase.Output is 145 CFM....at 5000 psi.
440 Volt ? European motor or do you mean 480
North American voltages are
Single Phase 120/240
Three Phase 120/208 , 277/480
Three Phase mostly Canada only 347/600
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440 Volt ? European motor or do you mean 480
North American voltages are
Single Phase 120/240
Three Phase 120/208 , 277/480
Three Phase mostly Canada only 347/600
It's pretty common, you see a lot of transformers with a secondary voltage of 440. There also isn't 3phase 120, 277 or 347.
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440 Volt ? European motor or do you mean 480
North American voltages are
Single Phase 120/240
Three Phase 120/208 , 277/480
Three Phase mostly Canada only 347/600
It may actually be a Euro motor....it's produced by a German company....but you may also be correct that it's a 480 volt. I'll have to double check.
thats awesome... but ours cost under a grand all said and one..... wait till we add the second tank and second motor...
Yeah....our won't be coming under the 1K mark. Or the 100K mark. I guess that's to be expected when you want it to generate that sort of pressure.
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It may actually be a Euro motor....it's produced by a German company....but you may also be correct that it's a 480 volt. I'll have to double check.
Itll be 440v if its German.
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It's pretty common, you see a lot of transformers with a secondary voltage of 440. There also isn't 3phase 120, 277 or 347.
In 20 years on service truck I've only seen one and it was a custom order (3 month delivery) for Trans Canada Turbines for their Rolls Royce Test equipment doubt you will find a 480 volt secondary Transformer in stock anywhere ( we couldn't )
I'll give you the 120 volt but you won't find 277 or 347 unless its fed from three phase
It may actually be a Euro motor....it's produced by a German company....but you may also be correct that it's a 480 volt. I'll have to double check.
Yeah....our won't be coming under the 1K mark. Or the 100K mark. I guess that's to be expected when you want it to generate that sort of pressure.
Roto screw unit ??
Itll be 440v if its German.
If its a 440 volt Euro motor it will be 50Hz we have 60Hz here so they will have to use a vfd frequency locked to limit the output to 50Hz because at 60Hz the motor the motor will spin to fast and probable exceed the rpm rating of the pump .
Looks like it should be a 125 Hp motor
More likely it will have a North American 480 volt motor less hassle to ship the compressor to the local distributor and have them source and fit an approved motor locally
(Hey I learned how to multi quote ;D )
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Actually it'll be a 50/60 or a 60. Meaning it'll be 400v at 50hz and 440v at 60hz or just 440v at 60hz. I install this type of equipment all day long ;)
Show me a 277v or a 347v 3 phase load, you won't be able too unless its fed by a custom transformer, which will never happen, sorry but your wrong. I have a 480/460, a 480/440 and a 600/440 transformer sitting my yard, all from Brews here in town, again your wrong, anything else you wanna argue about?
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Roto screw unit ??
If its a 440 volt Euro motor it will be 50Hz we have 60Hz here so they will have to use a vfd frequency locked to limit the output to 50Hz because at 60Hz the motor the motor will spin to fast and probable exceed the rpm rating of the pump .
Looks like it should be a 125 Hp motor
More likely it will have a North American 480 volt motor less hassle to ship the compressor to the local distributor and have them source and fit an approved motor locally
(Hey I learned how to multi quote ;D )
Five stage reciprocating. We actually get our screw units from an american manufacturer - they run around 65 amps each, but we run 'em in pairs.
It's entirely possible that it's a 480 volt motor on the recip. I know for a fact that it's engineered in Germany and I'm pretty sure that the block is made there and probably assembled there - but it distributed through their US headquarters in Virginia....so I know I'd bolt up a US sourced 480V motor if I was in their shoes. Like I said, I don't have the specs in front of me, and while I got my say in what we're buying for capacity I don't do much purchasing.
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Pfft!! Its only got one lung! And why would you need a 2nd motor mounted on there?
Here's what I run in my garage for filling tires. 220V single phase, 3hp motor with magnetic switch.
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Cost me $250. Buddy wanted to sell it and get a smaller one because it was too big for his garage. Used to be an old refrigeration unit and then did 20+yrs at a commercial auto repair shop. Still going strong. Runs slow compared to today's compressors but still pumps up fast.
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Actually it'll be a 50/60 or a 60. I install this type of equipment all day long ;)
Show me a 277v or a 347v 3 phase load, you won't be able too unless its fed by a custom transformer, which will never happen, sorry but your wrong. I have a 480/460, a 480/440 and a 600/440 transformer sitting my yard, all from Brews here in town, again your wrong, anything else you wanna argue about?
We're talking about 2 different thing show me a 277 or 347 volt circuit that is not fed from a 3 phase source
6 years ago we could not find a 480/440 anywhere and had to custom order from Delta I guess there more common now
I didn't know they made dual freq motor that large. What brand are they can't find any with a quick look Baldors site
Sure I'll argue anytime :P
I'll give you the 120 volt but you won't find 277 or 347 unless its fed from three phase
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heep
sorry to derail your thread Billy used to have the making's of a good Fraken compressor
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Ya I have no idea what your talking about then. 277 and 347 cannot feed a 3 phase load anymore then 120 can, not sure you would get 120 but not 277 or 347, exact same systems, just different voltages. If your talking about the panel, which we weren't, but if you are, you could still have a single phase 277 or 347 panel, not practical. I know for a fact you've never seen a 3 phase 120, 277 or 347 load. 480v systems and loads are very common here, maybe not as much as 600v but pretty damn close, in ten years or so I've never had a supply issue with transformers. Maybe it was the kva rating you had issues with in the one you were looking for.
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You would be surprised at whats out there ATB in Vulcan has a 3 phase panel with phase to neutral voltages of A=120 B=120 C=70 and its compleatly normal same as the westinghouse 27 amp breaker I have that everyone says can't exist
We'll have to continue this over a beer some time
What company are you with ?
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If we're playing this game, post up credentials please.
Or we can just make a separate thread.
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24V, tingles
120V, tickles
220V, makes you flinch
277V, makes for a good spasm
460V, hurts (especially when you touch all 3 phases)
600V, 460V hurt enough I don't want to touch 600.
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see the plans are to add another lung eventually.... and another tank... but this single will out do most doubles... we really dont use air at the shop mostly makita cordless tools, but the tire machine when we use it labours abit so it will be nice to not have that anymore.... basically the most it gets used is as a blow gun to clean threads and such on the lathe...
mike is our resident electrical expert(and i mean expert)... works full time at kone cranes but still works his arse off out at the shop to....
so talked with clay abit today that electrical motor would be 3000... but because its been sitting at wermac for abit 70 bucks...
we also have a electrical transformer at the shop for our big welder that would be 3000 but got it for free....
and last nigth clay picked up from our supply shop a 3 phase 540v bench grinder for next to nothign as it has been sitting there for awhile.... we got toys and they dont cost near what people pay....
my camera died i will snap some pics tomorrow hooked up the second tank tonight it filled it in under a minute....
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3 phase 540v bench grinder
wtf? bench grinding a small building down?
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24V, tingles
120V, tickles
220V, makes you flinch
277V, makes for a good spasm
460V, hurts (especially when you touch all 3 phases)
600V, 460V hurt enough I don't want to touch 600.
Meh... grab the little fuses inside a 70's TV set while the sets still plugged in, that'll wake you up.
I won't do that again. :o :o :o
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What are "a 70's"????
;)
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My frankenpressor has been up and running about 2 years now. Its a Quincy two stage head with an oil pump, 100% duty cycle, sitting on a 100 gallon tank, driven by a 3hp 220v single phase motor. Set to kick out at 175 and kick in at 140.
Luckily one of best friends is a milwright that does compressors for a living. Its all built from spare parts he brought over for free and put tegether for me.
Considering if you want to by that quincy head brand new it will set you back about 2k, I'd say I was pretty lucky.
I will snap a pic when I get a chance and throw it up here.
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thats language mike understands.... he has his electrical engineering he does things with wires we dont wanna talk about lol.... works great and air conditions the shop to lol 20 psi in abotu 20 seconds
Mike went back to school and finished his degree? That must of been hard to juggle the time!